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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 9, 2018 20:42:11 GMT
well i tell you what if the spoiler about tyrion is true and he gets executed
maybe others who feel like you do wont feel as bad when jon executes him lol i have mixed
feelings for tyrion i like some things he did and then dont like other things , he had many chances
to help sansa escape sooner , he saw how abusive his nephew was and did save her once
but he also let her stay there [/spoiler] |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 9, 2018 22:25:07 GMT
Tyrion's behaviour towards Sansa was fine. He is a decent person most of the time but has that vile streak, in the original sense of the word. Resentful self-despite leads him to feel compassion with losers and hatred for winners.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 10, 2018 20:59:21 GMT
Tyrion's behaviour towards Sansa was fine. He is a decent person most of the time but has that vile streak, in the original sense of the word. Resentful self-despite leads him to feel compassion with losers and hatred for winners. i really think that comes from being put down by his father because he was a small man? i think he felt mistreated and looked down upon that he cold relate perhaps with those suffering or less fortunate im waiting to see how sansa and tyrion reunion goes |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 10, 2018 21:14:26 GMT
Tyrion's a piece of shit. I was just reminded of this by that scene in S2E05 in which he plays with Lancel, barely listening to what he says, more interested in feeling superior over someone he can bully: This is the kind of behaviour that made him a fan favourite. The disadvantaged finding compensation not only in getting even with those guilty of not sharing his affliction but in putting his foot on them and pressing them into the dirt for good measure. You'll never see Tywin, Cersei or Jaime do this. This is the fantasy of any loser with a wish for revenge over their better. They will hate Lannisters but somehow Tyrion is the Lannister they'd want to be. This is why they cheer at him torturing Lancel, mocking his sister, sending Janos Slynt to the Wall or terrorising Pycelle. I used to like Tyrion for being smart and witty but it stopped there. you know what else tyrion did that i dislike? he LIED to jon !! i didnt like that , sansa warned jon NOT to go to dragonstone , no matter how good of a man tyrion was , jon believed that about him and Tyrion LIED to him as soon as jon and his men stepped down those boats they stripped them from their weapons , jon never went there to bargain his position as king of the north and soon enough he found himself a prisoner and being asked to bend the knee to someone he hardly knows !! jon confornts tyrion outside dragonstone i think he was thinking of sansa then and her words and told tyrion he felt like a northern fool!! yay you think so jon? so tyrion has shown us he can lie and not be that trusted to get what he wants i didnt like what they did to jon so right there they are starting to show us the beginning of a friction relationship between jon/tyrion throw in dragon queen too , i hope when jon goes back home he listens to sansa some more because she was right to warn him . |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 10, 2018 21:23:26 GMT
Tyrion's behaviour towards Sansa was fine. He is a decent person most of the time but has that vile streak, in the original sense of the word. Resentful self-despite leads him to feel compassion with losers and hatred for winners. i really think that comes from being put down by his father because he was a small man? i think he felt mistreated and looked down upon that he cold relate perhaps with those suffering or less fortunate im waiting to see how sansa and tyrion reunion goes It goes deeper than that. Tyrion amplifies his own situation, makes it worse by rejecting the chances he is given. He is the legacy refusing kind, the son of a rich and powerful family who still finds reasons to go his own way and develops a negative judgement of his own family. He was made a dwarf for good measure in the story. He could have been normal and still act this way. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 10, 2018 21:35:56 GMT
you know what else tyrion did that i dislike? he LIED to jon !! i didnt like that , sansa warned jon NOT to go to dragonstone , no matter how good of a man tyrion was , jon believed that about him and Tyrion LIED to him as soon as jon and his men stepped down those boats they stripped them from their weapons , jon never went there to bargain his position as king of the north and soon enough he found himself a prisoner and being asked to bend the knee to someone he hardly knows !! jon confornts tyrion outside dragonstone i think he was thinking of sansa then and her words and told tyrion he felt like a northern fool!! yay you think so jon? so tyrion has shown us he can lie and not be that trusted to get what he wants i didnt like what they did to jon so right there they are starting to show us the beginning of a friction relationship between jon/tyrion throw in dragon queen too , i hope when jon goes back home he listens to sansa some more because she was right to warn him . Interesting. I didn't know that, never read about that detail of Tyrion misleading Jon. It fits again with the Wagner parallel in which Siegfried (Jon) is misled and betrayed by Hagen (a dwarf), who works for the kind asking for Siegfried's alliance. The dwarf represents materialistic capitalism while Siegfried is the hidden descendent of a god, naive but strong and straightforward. Hagen also wants to break the alliance between Siegfried (Jon) and Brünnhilde (Daenerys), arranging a different match for both. Should that parallel be led to the end, Daenerys would die setting fire to the Red Keep, or King's Landing but I expect her to die north of the Wall. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 11, 2018 22:01:56 GMT
you know what else tyrion did that i dislike? he LIED to jon !! i didnt like that , sansa warned jon NOT to go to dragonstone , no matter how good of a man tyrion was , jon believed that about him and Tyrion LIED to him as soon as jon and his men stepped down those boats they stripped them from their weapons , jon never went there to bargain his position as king of the north and soon enough he found himself a prisoner and being asked to bend the knee to someone he hardly knows !! jon confornts tyrion outside dragonstone i think he was thinking of sansa then and her words and told tyrion he felt like a northern fool!! yay you think so jon? so tyrion has shown us he can lie and not be that trusted to get what he wants i didnt like what they did to jon so right there they are starting to show us the beginning of a friction relationship between jon/tyrion throw in dragon queen too , i hope when jon goes back home he listens to sansa some more because she was right to warn him . Interesting. I didn't know that, never read about that detail of Tyrion misleading Jon. It fits again with the Wagner parallel in which Siegfried (Jon) is misled and betrayed by Hagen (a dwarf), who works for the kind asking for Siegfried's alliance. The dwarf represents materialistic capitalism while Siegfried is the hidden descendent of a god, naive but strong and straightforward. Hagen also wants to break the alliance between Siegfried (Jon) and Brünnhilde (Daenerys), arranging a different match for both. Should that parallel be led to the end, Daenerys would die setting fire to the Red Keep, or King's Landing but I expect her to die north of the Wall. I agree with you and wow that story you described fits perfectly to this this story with Jon and Tyrion !! why did Hagen wanted different matches for Siegfried and brunnhilde ? This is video when Jon arrives to dragonstone Tyrion greets Jon and they take their weapons missandei gives some condescending stupid speech about how safe they are there and their queen , I would be so ticked off if someone did that to me , and to further piss off Jon , tyrion starts talking to Jon about Sansa and if she misses him terribly ? LOL Jon has a look like are you serious? and to throw some more insult he tells jon their marriage was a sham and never consummated -Jon snapped back I didn't ask , I give extra point to Tyrion for at least mentioning how smart Sansa is 😁😁😁 |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 12, 2018 5:58:20 GMT
Interesting. I didn't know that, never read about that detail of Tyrion misleading Jon. It fits again with the Wagner parallel in which Siegfried (Jon) is misled and betrayed by Hagen (a dwarf), who works for the kind asking for Siegfried's alliance. The dwarf represents materialistic capitalism while Siegfried is the hidden descendent of a god, naive but strong and straightforward. Hagen also wants to break the alliance between Siegfried (Jon) and Brünnhilde (Daenerys), arranging a different match for both. Should that parallel be led to the end, Daenerys would die setting fire to the Red Keep, or King's Landing but I expect her to die north of the Wall. I agree with you and wow that story you described fits perfectly to this this story with Jon and Tyrion !! why did Hagen wanted different matches for Siegfried and brunnhilde ? This is where the stories diverge. Hagen works for a king and his sister, Gunther and Gutrune. He has offered Gunter to help him marry Brünnhilde and Gutrune will marry Siegfried. Siegfried is given a potion that makes him forget his flying horse riding aunt and fall for Gutrune. Brünnhilde holds the ring of power, which Siegfried has given her. This ring was once made out of stolen gold by Hagen's father, dominating master of dwarves and CEO of the money making capitalistic mines or something. Hagen's father can be seen as a parallel to Tywin Lannister. He returns as a spirit to haunt his son's dreams and convince him to claim his legacy. Hagen's plan is to steal the ring back. Siegfried, disguised as Gunther, forces Brünnhilde, claiming her as wife and takes the ring back. Then he goes on a hunt where Hagen shoves a spear in his back, killing him but doesn't take the ring, which he want to be given to him by right. Witnessing Siegfried's return as a corpse, Brünhhilde then says "to Hell with you all, the Gods and everything", except this is opera, so it takes her 20mn. Then she takes the ring of power and rides into a pyre that sets Walhalla ablaze, ending the rule of the gods on the world and it's all the fault of capitalistic dwarves. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 13, 2018 15:34:15 GMT
I agree with you and wow that story you described fits perfectly to this this story with Jon and Tyrion !! why did Hagen wanted different matches for Siegfried and brunnhilde ? This is where the stories diverge. Hagen works for a king and his sister, Gunther and Gutrune. He has offered Gunter to help him marry Brünnhilde and Gutrune will marry Siegfried. Siegfried is given a potion that makes him forget his flying horse riding aunt and fall for Gutrune. Brünnhilde holds the ring of power, which Siegfried has given her. This ring was once made out of stolen gold by Hagen's father, dominating master of dwarves and CEO of the money making capitalistic mines or something. Hagen's father can be seen as a parallel to Tywin Lannister. He returns as a spirit to haunt his son's dreams and convince him to claim his legacy. Hagen's plan is to steal the ring back. Siegfried, disguised as Gunther, forces Brünnhilde, claiming her as wife and takes the ring back. Then he goes on a hunt where Hagen shoves a spear in his back, killing him but doesn't take the ring, which he want to be given to him by right. Witnessing Siegfried's return as a corpse, Brunhilde then says "to Hell with you all, the Gods and everything", except this is opera, so it takes her 20mn. Then she takes the ring of power and rides into a pyre that sets Walhalla ablaze, ending the rule of the gods on the world and it's all the fault of capitalistic dwarves. oh wow leo what an interesting opera story!! i can definitely see parallels to so many GOT characters i bet anything GRMM took inspiration from this story , so if hagen is tyrion in this story he ends up killing siegfried ! ( jon) dany ( Brunhilde) goes mad burns everyone. |
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