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Post by goz on Nov 14, 2018 21:38:32 GMT
You've got to remember that when you speak of atheists, you speak of feeble minded people who just follow the consensus like sheep, and have wishful thinking. They want to believe that Magic is there and yet not there. They want to say Nature wrote the laws of Motion and Physics and then say Nature didn't make the laws. They need a great deal of drugs to perpetuate their fantasy world since its an Oxymoron. No doubt they'll come at you with a noose, except they can't get off their couches or out of their cubicles. Too dangerous in the woods out there for them. So they'll spit their tobacco at you and snarl like Chill Wills when he said "this here's the man who ran away from the Alamo". Then they'll congratulate each other, which is exactly what you said in your post. And there is the deductive reasoning based on fact which we see every day here. But be nice to them. They live in glass houses. I adore your posts. It is almost like they almost make some kind of delicious sense!
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Post by Fetzer Zinfandel on Nov 14, 2018 22:45:25 GMT
You've got to remember that when you speak of atheists, you speak of feeble minded people who just follow the consensus like sheep, and have wishful thinking. They want to believe that Magic is there and yet not there. They want to say Nature wrote the laws of Motion and Physics and then say Nature didn't make the laws. They need a great deal of drugs to perpetuate their fantasy world since its an Oxymoron. No doubt they'll come at you with a noose, except they can't get off their couches or out of their cubicles. Too dangerous in the woods out there for them. So they'll spit their tobacco at you and snarl like Chill Wills when he said "this here's the man who ran away from the Alamo". Then they'll congratulate each other, which is exactly what you said in your post. And there is the deductive reasoning based on fact which we see every day here. But be nice to them. They live in glass houses. I adore your posts. It is almost like they almost make some kind of delicious sense! I first read that as "delirious sense". ha.
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Post by goz on Nov 14, 2018 22:57:12 GMT
I adore your posts. It is almost like they almost make some kind of delicious sense! I first read that as "delirious sense". ha. That applies too! LOL
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Post by Lugh on Nov 18, 2018 21:45:42 GMT
I have no doubt you'd be telling Einstein he was full of shit. I can't think of anything he ever said that I'd disagree with when it comes to science or philosophy, at least when he was being serious and not making pithy statements for the press. You, however, are always full of shit. Einstein was a Spinozist so there's that you disagree with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 23:17:04 GMT
'Short-sighted' (or one word depending on how you look at it).
These people have no capacity to see beyond peer reviews.
What should I be seeing, that is 'beyond peer review'?
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 19, 2018 11:42:04 GMT
I can't think of anything he ever said that I'd disagree with when it comes to science or philosophy, at least when he was being serious and not making pithy statements for the press. You, however, are always full of shit. Einstein was a Spinozist so there's that you disagree with.What, specifically, did Einstein actually say? I'm not terribly interested in vague "isms" or "ists" disconnected from definitive content.
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Post by fatpaul on Nov 19, 2018 14:20:50 GMT
Good, now try and think of three words that come to mind!
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Post by maya55555 on Nov 19, 2018 17:42:25 GMT
Two words that come to mind when I think of atheists are:
SHUT UP.
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Post by progressiveelement on Nov 19, 2018 17:54:10 GMT
Better Sex
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Post by lowtacks86 on Nov 19, 2018 17:56:22 GMT
Einstein was a Spinozist so there's that you disagree with. What, specifically, did Einstein actually say? I'm not terribly interested in vague "isms" or "ists" disconnected from definitive content. It's hard to to say for sure, but I don't really think he was a "spinozist" perse, I think he jsut liked many of the teachings of Spinoza:
"My views are near those of Spinoza: admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly."
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Post by Lugh on Nov 19, 2018 20:09:05 GMT
Einstein was a Spinozist so there's that you disagree with. What, specifically, did Einstein actually say? I'm not terribly interested in vague "isms" or "ists" disconnected from definitive content. He said "Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things." He also said "I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind." Wikipedia has a whole page dedicated to his philosophical views.
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Post by goz on Nov 19, 2018 21:08:25 GMT
What, specifically, did Einstein actually say? I'm not terribly interested in vague "isms" or "ists" disconnected from definitive content. He said "Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things." He also said "I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind." Wikipedia has a whole page dedicated to his philosophical views. It sounds just like any other 'God of the Gaps' argument to me! ie an argument of ignorance! rationalwiki.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 20, 2018 11:52:09 GMT
He said "Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things." He also said "I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind." Wikipedia has a whole page dedicated to his philosophical views. This version of God just sounds like a metaphor for the vast complexity of the universe and is far, far, far from what 99% of those who "believe" in god have in mind. I'm okay with it--Spinoza was accused of being an atheist and the above is pretty much compatible with atheism regardless of whether Einstein or Spinoza thought of themselves as such. I don't think it is necessary to even have a concept of a god at all, even what is being described here, but I came from a later generation which has a better comfort level with shrugging off theological terms and concepts.
And I should also note that when Einstein writes this kind of stuff, it has absolutely nothing to do with the work which made him notable in the first place. That he was a physicist of historical proportions doesn't make his dabbling in philosophy more credible than anyone else's.
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 20, 2018 11:55:57 GMT
What a ridiculous thing to say. It's not like atheists are people who don't brush their teeth and they'll later regret it. Oh, let me guess-- the professor is an atheist. Amazing how many of you smug 'thereisnogod'ers' are ironically in the academic field. Bunch of arrogant twits.
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 20, 2018 12:08:59 GMT
Oh, let me guess-- the professor is an atheist. Amazing how many of you smug 'thereisnogod'ers' are ironically in the academic field. Bunch of arrogant twits. So you believe there is life on other planets?
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 20, 2018 12:12:15 GMT
What, specifically, did Einstein actually say? I'm not terribly interested in vague "isms" or "ists" disconnected from definitive content. He said "Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things." He also said "I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind." Wikipedia has a whole page dedicated to his philosophical views. I agree with Spinoza's description of God. All that exists goes way beyond this 3D world that the limited atheist mind cannot fathom.
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 20, 2018 12:19:53 GMT
So you believe there is life on other planets? We have no evidence for that but considering that life could be something as bacteria or algae and considering the size of the Universe, I think it's very probable that life exists outside of this planet.
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