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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 15, 2018 21:34:47 GMT
S7 tyrion brought it up to dany very smart of him after all
but dany shut him down , is it because dany doesnt like to think of anyone
ruling except her? or is it because she cant have children? i mean tyrion asked that
question knowing dany cant have children so i dont think he was trying to be insensitive i saw it as him
planning the future , but we never got to know what dany thinks about it or her plan is
but tyrion wanted to discuss it really really bad ,
the whole conversation and danys expression that day led me to believe that
she is not ready to step
aside for anyone and im including jon being revealed as a targaryen .
what do you all think about it ?
and here is the video of that exchange
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Post by Seto on Nov 15, 2018 23:08:27 GMT
I wouldn't say its very smart of Tyrion to bring this up.
Most of Daenerys' army are loyal to only her. The Dothraki, the Dragons, the Unsullied. If Dany dies early, their entire effort is lost, no matter what succession plan they make.
In my opinion this scene is there to perhaps foreshadow Jon and Dany's child, but also its D&D's way of trying to show potential conflict between Tyrion and Dany, even though it feels very forced.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 15, 2018 23:43:15 GMT
S7 tyrion brought it up to dany very smart of him after all but dany shut him down , is it because dany doesnt like to think of anyone ruling except her? or is it because she cant have children? i mean tyrion asked that question knowing dany cant have children so i dont think he was trying to be insensitive i saw it as him planning the future , but we never got to know what dany thinks about it or her plan is but tyrion wanted to discuss it really really bad , the whole conversation and danys expression that day led me to believe that she is not ready to step aside for anyone and im including jon being revealed as a targaryen . what do you all think about it ? and here is the video of that exchange The wouldn't be a reason for her to step aside regardless of Jon's status much less regarding succession. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 16, 2018 6:52:15 GMT
I wouldn't say its very smart of Tyrion to bring this up. Most of Daenerys' army are loyal to only her. The Dothraki, the Dragons, the Unsullied. If Dany dies early, their entire effort is lost, no matter what succession plan they make. In my opinion this scene is there to perhaps foreshadow Jon and Dany's child, but also its D&D's way of trying to show potential conflict between Tyrion and Dany, even though it feels very forced. It is smart in that succession is a key to loyalty. This aspect was brought early in S2E03 by Margaery to Renly. Dothraki and Unsullied might have no other choice, but the rest of Westeros will not readily follow a leader without an accepted heir because it implies a long term gamble with deadly strife at the end. This is why kings always placed high value on having one or several sons, sometime at the cost of breaking with the church. The likes of Littlelfinger or Varys supported Joffrey because he was the key to their keeping their position. High ranking nobles supported him because it meant peace. Daenerys is portrayed as the single minded tyrant she is. It has become forced and heavy handed but a large part of the audience is still too dumb for that. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 17, 2018 21:49:36 GMT
I wouldn't say its very smart of Tyrion to bring this up. Most of Daenerys' army are loyal to only her. The Dothraki, the Dragons, the Unsullied. If Dany dies early, their entire effort is lost, no matter what succession plan they make. In my opinion this scene is there to perhaps foreshadow Jon and Dany's child, but also its D&D's way of trying to show potential conflict between Tyrion and Dany, even though it feels very forced. It is smart in that succession is a key to loyalty. This aspect was brought early in S2E03 by Margaery to Renly. Dothraki and Unsullied might have no other choice, but the rest of Westeros will not readily follow a leader without an accepted heir because it implies a long term gamble with deadly strife at the end. This is why kings always placed high value on having one or several sons, sometime at the cost of breaking with the church. The likes of Littlelfinger or Varys supported Joffrey because he was the key to their keeping their position. High ranking nobles supported him because it meant peace. Daenerys is portrayed as the single minded tyrant she is. It has become forced and heavy handed but a large part of the audience is still too dumb for that. i agree whats the point being in power if you cant continue in the future? maybe they were foreshadowing a relationship between dany/jon since they didnt have sex yet , but tyrion also talked to her about jon and dany replied" he is too little for me" her own words , she lies to tyrion how she feels about the king of the north , and accepts jon in her cabin tyrion looks angry |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 18, 2018 1:05:48 GMT
It is smart in that succession is a key to loyalty. This aspect was brought early in S2E03 by Margaery to Renly. Dothraki and Unsullied might have no other choice, but the rest of Westeros will not readily follow a leader without an accepted heir because it implies a long term gamble with deadly strife at the end. This is why kings always placed high value on having one or several sons, sometime at the cost of breaking with the church. The likes of Littlelfinger or Varys supported Joffrey because he was the key to their keeping their position. High ranking nobles supported him because it meant peace. Daenerys is portrayed as the single minded tyrant she is. It has become forced and heavy handed but a large part of the audience is still too dumb for that. i agree whats the point being in power if you cant continue in the future? maybe they were foreshadowing a relationship between dany/jon since they didnt have sex yet , but tyrion also talked to her about jon and dany replied" he is too little for me" her own words , she lies to tyrion how she feels about the king of the north , and accepts jon in her cabin tyrion looks angry Daenerys is not exactly tall  Her reaction could be interpreted as an attempt to lie to herself, to resist an attraction she knows interferes with political wisdom. Hard to tell without seeing it though, but she still thinks she cannot have children, doesn't she? So the question of succession is a touchy one regardless of this. She told Daario she would have to marry for an alliance but she also knows it's a false promise in that she cannot provide what is expected of marriage: the stabilising presence of an accepted heir. The whole premise of Daenerys as a ruler is so flawed it just cannot go well. She comes in as an overpowering conqueror like some Attila with a whole people of savages and cannot further her own line. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 20, 2018 12:13:04 GMT
i agree whats the point being in power if you cant continue in the future? maybe they were foreshadowing a relationship between dany/jon since they didnt have sex yet , but tyrion also talked to her about jon and dany replied" he is too little for me" her own words , she lies to tyrion how she feels about the king of the north , and accepts jon in her cabin tyrion looks angry Daenerys is not exactly tall Her reaction could be interpreted as an attempt to lie to herself, to resist an attraction she knows interferes with political wisdom. Hard to tell without seeing it though, but she still thinks she cannot have children, doesn't she? So the question of succession is a touchy one regardless of this. She told Daario she would have to marry for an alliance but she also knows it's a false promise in that she cannot provide what is expected of marriage: the stabilising presence of an accepted heir. The whole premise of Daenerys as a ruler is so flawed it just cannot go well. She comes in as an overpowering conqueror like some Attila with a whole people of savages and cannot further her own line. it has been a bad week for jonerys fans i can hear their wailing from miles across , GRMM confirmed more or less in two articles that jon kills daenyrys as you can expect didnt go well with their theories of a tragaryen and dragon babies restoration . Well she used to be married to khal drogo and he looked like a beast in comparison with jon snow LOL I too think dany went into this looking to marry for alliances and i dont think she expected to fall in love with jon snow this is why i think when she gets rejected she will lose it above anything else daenrys is not used being rejected especially by men and i think the conversation with sansa/Little Finger in S7 about how beautiful the dragon is with sansa replying "what has that anything to do with it? " its a clue and hint where this is heading. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 20, 2018 12:47:23 GMT
it has been a bad week for jonerys fans i can hear their wailing from miles across , GRMM confirmed more or less in two articles that jon kills daenyrys How did I miss this? Did he really? No, he wouldn't do that… I hope he gets her killed, though Now I need to find those articles… |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 20, 2018 13:06:29 GMT
it has been a bad week for jonerys fans i can hear their wailing from miles across , GRMM confirmed more or less in two articles that jon kills daenyrys How did I miss this? Did he really? No, he wouldn't do that… I hope he gets her killed, though Now I need to find those articles… Oh, his new book is out today… That should make a few people happy. It's about 1400 pages. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 20, 2018 16:23:21 GMT
How did I miss this? Did he really? No, he wouldn't do that… I hope he gets her killed, though Now I need to find those articles… Oh, his new book is out today… That should make a few people happy. It's about 1400 pages. wow i cant read that much my head hurts and i fall asleep literally , im confused is this book going back in time like a prequel? if it is why is he wasting time doing all these prequel books and not finish the actual books to the story? or is this that much long awaited winds of winter the follow up to dance of dragons? |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 20, 2018 16:31:09 GMT
it has been a bad week for jonerys fans i can hear their wailing from miles across , GRMM confirmed more or less in two articles that jon kills daenyrys How did I miss this? Did he really? No, he wouldn't do that… I hope he gets her killed, though Now I need to find those articles… article #1 im trying to find the others ..lol George RR Martin Confirms ‘Game Of Thrones’ Fan Theory About Jon Snow, Could Spell A VERY Broken Heart For Daenerys brobible.com/culture/article/game-of-thrones-fan-theory-jon-snow/ |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 20, 2018 16:46:00 GMT
it has been a bad week for jonerys fans i can hear their wailing from miles across , GRMM confirmed more or less in two articles that jon kills daenyrys How did I miss this? Did he really? No, he wouldn't do that… I hope he gets her killed, though Now I need to find those articles… article #2 George RR Martin basically confirms Jon Snow theory ahead of Game of Thrones season 8 Read more: metro.co.uk/2018/11/17/george-rr-martin-basically-confirms-jon-snow-is-azor-ahai-ahead-of-game-of-thrones-season-8-8149933/?ito=cbshareTwitter: twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: www.facebook.com/MetroUK/if this stupid prophecy with nissa nissa turns out to be sansa i will be majorly pissed off, i do think dany will die
and it will be an ice blade kinda the one night king used on her dragon , i still think jorah may be the one who kils her instead of jon after he is turned into a zombie or dany wont be able to kill her own dragon when she sees him all messed up like a zombie dragon she will fall into pieces and he will end up killing her-just like his namesake her brother viserys intended to do on the day khal killed him , he told dany you dont want to wake up the dragon and she finally did . |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 20, 2018 16:58:56 GMT
wow i cant read that much my head hurts and i fall asleep literally , im confused is this book going back in time like a prequel? if it is why is he wasting time doing all these prequel books and not finish the actual books to the story? or is this that much long awaited winds of winter the follow up to dance of dragons? It is the whole history of the Targaryens in Westeros, the expanded version of what he already delivered in The World of Ice and Fire a couple of years ago. A bit of a pointless background history book, I suppose. Why is he writing this? I wonder. Maybe I'll write a book of how Tywin brought me home once, then how Cersei took my defence and said I was hers after I bit someone in the household, or how I used to make Tyrion run up the stairs just for fun whenever he tried to look into her room.I guess that would be just as interesting. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 20, 2018 17:24:54 GMT
How did I miss this? Did he really? No, he wouldn't do that… I hope he gets her killed, though Now I need to find those articles… article #2 George RR Martin basically confirms Jon Snow theory ahead of Game of Thrones season 8 He only confirmed that Jon's real name is indeed Aegon. The rest is a bunch of prophecy morons running wild into the traps he is laying for them. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 21, 2018 6:29:00 GMT
wow i cant read that much my head hurts and i fall asleep literally , 736 pages according to Amazon. Still quite a chunk, it seems. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 22, 2018 21:36:00 GMT
wow i cant read that much my head hurts and i fall asleep literally , 736 pages according to Amazon. Still quite a chunk, it seems. the entire books sounds pointless to me.... |
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