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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 19, 2018 12:04:34 GMT
Politics can change though. Religion very rarely does so. If the politics change and the religion doesn't, then the religious can clearly discern between the two enough for it not to matter. |
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Post by fatpaul on Nov 19, 2018 14:15:09 GMT
I reckon that any community with a shared set of beliefs, whether politics or religion, becomes problematic when those shared beliefs are held sacred, with opposing beliefs held profane/taboo.
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Post by general313 on Nov 19, 2018 18:17:44 GMT
Politics can change though. Religion very rarely does so. Are you assuming change is a good thing? It is often not good at all. Actually religion "allows" lots of change and that's what many atheists don't like about religion. "You're just cherry picking," they complain. Religion operates at a much higher reading level than politics. I understood much of it from the time I was a mere child of seven. It's not that difficult. I saw the connection between the interrupted sacrifice of Issac by Abraham and the "death" on the cross of Jesus. Most of the Bible makes good sense when you read at that level. When I see the stories on this board of people who in their late teens decided it didn't make any sense, I have to wonder how people that stupid make a living. I suppose as long as it's a simple task that doesn't allow much thought they might get by. When people that stupid start voting, now that is the really dangerous thing. Something must be done about it. I suspect nothing can be till they crash and burn the economy though. If you think what is right and wrong changes, you're probably severely mentally retarded and should stay out of politics. You have no clue how society actually works. And often change is good, but authoritarians don't like change because it undermines their power. Just ask the King of England during the American Revolution or the Pope during the Protestant Reformation. As for regarding atheists as dumb people, if that thought makes you feel more comfortable with your superstitious beliefs and helps you sleep at night (apparently God's promises made in the Bible being insufficient), then just go with it. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 20, 2018 0:28:11 GMT
Are you assuming change is a good thing? It is often not good at all. Actually religion "allows" lots of change and that's what many atheists don't like about religion. "You're just cherry picking," they complain. Religion operates at a much higher reading level than politics. I understood much of it from the time I was a mere child of seven. It's not that difficult. I saw the connection between the interrupted sacrifice of Issac by Abraham and the "death" on the cross of Jesus. Most of the Bible makes good sense when you read at that level. When I see the stories on this board of people who in their late teens decided it didn't make any sense, I have to wonder how people that stupid make a living. I suppose as long as it's a simple task that doesn't allow much thought they might get by. When people that stupid start voting, now that is the really dangerous thing. Something must be done about it. I suspect nothing can be till they crash and burn the economy though. If you think what is right and wrong changes, you're probably severely mentally retarded and should stay out of politics. You have no clue how society actually works. And often change is good, but authoritarians don't like change because it undermines their power. Just ask the King of England during the American Revolution or the Pope during the Protestant Reformation. As for regarding atheists as dumb people, if that thought makes you feel more comfortable with your superstitious beliefs and helps you sleep at night (apparently God's promises made in the Bible being insufficient), then just go with it. Not "my" superstitious beliefs ... I do however have thoughts on that. I believe things are especially bad at this time. |
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Post by phludowin on Nov 21, 2018 7:00:45 GMT
So: In my opinion politics has more power to create harm and is therefore more dangerous.
Religion becomes dangerous when it has a high influence on politics.
As long as religion is only a private belief for individual persons, and no one is forced to believe in a religion, and religious beliefs of individuals don't affect other people, then religion is not dangerous.Where does the line get drawn though? Isn't religion about politics as well, after all they are following the doctrine of God. Religion is still based on laws, and secular society is based on laws, so it becomes about law and like you have already commented, what are the ethics or agendas serving behind these laws? The difference: In a secular country, no adult is forced to follow religious laws. But everybody has to follow the laws of the country. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 21, 2018 15:11:06 GMT
Where does the line get drawn though? Isn't religion about politics as well, after all they are following the doctrine of God. Religion is still based on laws, and secular society is based on laws, so it becomes about law and like you have already commented, what are the ethics or agendas serving behind these laws? The difference: In a secular country, no adult is forced to follow religious laws. But everybody has to follow the laws of the country. well it depends on how intrusive the legal law is to the religion, although I suppose that just means the religious face the repercussions of putting their faith first. |
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Post by drystyx on Nov 21, 2018 16:36:33 GMT
Where does the line get drawn though? Isn't religion about politics as well, after all they are following the doctrine of God. Religion is still based on laws, and secular society is based on laws, so it becomes about law and like you have already commented, what are the ethics or agendas serving behind these laws? The difference: In a secular country, no adult is forced to follow religious laws. But everybody has to follow the laws of the country. That's what makes politics more dangerous, as History proves. Religious laws almost always prohibit murder and mob violence. It is the laws of the country that permit mobs to cherry pick which words of a bible or Koran to use. Just like the modern day mobster will use a smart phone to tape and edit words to suit his or her demon possessed goal.... changing "I'll be right back, after my work out, if I don't keel over, and see you in an hour" to.... "I'll keel you in an hour". The modern day demon possessed wacko is doing this. I've seen them do this. Such wackos cherry pick whatever they want out of a religious text, and it is the politics that makes it so they can do this, by their very political rights. Now, in order to blame Religion, one has to redefine Politics and redefine Religion. |
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Post by Catman on Nov 21, 2018 16:39:13 GMT
If people could be removed from the equation, both terms would be fine.
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