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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 22, 2018 7:29:36 GMT
First reviews start coming in: Then of course, people are discussing why the author wrote it in the first place…
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 22, 2018 12:13:57 GMT
Well i am conflicted at one side i am glad that he is writing a book to tell us about the history of the Targaryens. And if i am not mistaken its going to be one more book about the History of the Targaryens. And than there is the side of me who thinks instead of writing Fire and Blood he could have finished with The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring.
Well lets hope that he will finish the history of the Targaryens because i doubt that he will ever finish A Song of Ice and Fire but i hope i am wrong in that.
I am going to buy Fire and Blood
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 22, 2018 13:09:01 GMT
Well lets hope that he will finish the history of the Targaryens because i doubt that he will ever finish A Song of Ice and Fire but i hope i am wrong in that. It is not a novel, not a story told to be entertaining with characters for whom to feel or fear. It is a history, written as a history book would be. It looks like this: Or like this: For 700 pages. And of course, there's some silly talk of stupid lizards:
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 22, 2018 13:29:25 GMT
Well lets hope that he will finish the history of the Targaryens because i doubt that he will ever finish A Song of Ice and Fire but i hope i am wrong in that. It is not a novel, not a story told to be entertaining with characters for whom to feel or fear. It is a history, written as a history book would be. It looks like this: Yes i know that and plenty of history books are entertaining. A Book don`t need to be a novel to be entertaining.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 22, 2018 16:41:47 GMT
"More people know about Starks and Lannisters than about Yorks and Lancasters".
That's why I want to read the real stuff first, and read it again until I understand it. At least, is not someone's fantasy, it's not about the nice collectivists against the ugly capitalists, not about stupid "honour", "oaths" or "the pack survives", not about some stupidly egalitarian society whose people do not frown on bastards and whose women rule just like men.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 22, 2018 21:49:00 GMT
after this book do some of you still believe he hasnt written/finished the song of ice and fire books???
so let me get this straight he has time to finish a 700+ pages book - a new book about the targaryens but yet hasnt finished the winds of winter or a dream of spring? he is a LIAR !! he has finished all the books and like i have been saying all along HBO is keeping the books hostage no new books will be released until S8 airs/ends then one after the other will be released -it will be like magic lol GRMM will be a very very VERY rich man this is all about greed money and contracts which is fine he has worked for it but i really dislike being lied to and the way they are stringing along fans and milking this .
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 22, 2018 23:18:02 GMT
after this book do some of you still believe he hasnt written/finished the song of ice and fire books??? so let me get this straight he has time to finish a 700+ pages book - a new book about the targaryens but yet hasnt finished the winds of winter or a dream of spring? he is a LIAR !! he has finished all the books and like i have been saying all along HBO is keeping the books hostage
no new books will be released until S8 airs/ends then one after the other will be released -it will be like magic lol GRMM will be a very very VERY rich man this is all about greed money and contracts which is fine he has worked for it but i really dislike being lied to and the way they are stringing along fans and milking this . Well i guess that could be true. But personally i find that a bit far fetched.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 23, 2018 3:14:17 GMT
after this book do some of you still believe he hasnt written/finished the song of ice and fire books??? so let me get this straight he has time to finish a 700+ pages book - a new book about the targaryens but yet hasnt finished the winds of winter or a dream of spring? he is a LIAR !! he has finished all the books and like i have been saying all along HBO is keeping the books hostage no new books will be released until S8 airs/ends then one after the other will be released -it will be like magic lol GRMM will be a very very VERY rich man this is all about greed money and contracts which is fine he has worked for it but i really dislike being lied to and the way they are stringing along fans and milking this . I completely believe him. He's a lazy bastard with no need to finish anything, an indulgent man who will rather yield to his nerdy tendencies and do something he enjoys on the side rather than tackle the real thing. He doesn't like the pressure that now comes with his main work and will rather go beating around the bush under the excuse that it does produce something he can sell too. The only lie in all this is when he says he will finish the main work. He wishes he wanted to but he doesn't, really. He's locking himself out in the mountains now to try and do it. This is not the behaviour of an inspired writer who avoids disturbance but of a pressured man trying to resist temptation to do anything but what he is supposed to. GRRM is a rich man and he doesn't care for getting richer. That was never his main driver in life. You don't become a writer when you have such ambition. All he wants to do is read and tell stories, really, but his main story has become hard to tell and the expectation for the ending to be up to the rest must be daunting to the point of paralysis. Finishing things well is terribly hard. There is indirect truth about the speculation that the show is the reason he's not progressing. Its popularity has been generating a wealth of tempting alternative activities and that has grounded him but it was never a planned thing. It also has given him some sort of cover, the feeling that something else is on the front line and delivers. After it ends, he'll be on the front line again and maybe that will do the trick but I'm afraid the pressure he feels is the main obstacle.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 24, 2018 8:26:22 GMT
So the GRReat Moron strikes again. Reading his new pile of drivel, GoT Academy finds out what he really wants to say all along: "unity is good".
Yes. That's the bottom line. But no, hang on. That's too short. "Making unity" is what the fat wanker wants to sell as a virtue. At the price of bloody conquest if needs be. "I'm killing you for your own good, ingrates!"
So Aegon the Conqueror conquered to do good to the people he would rule, just like his bitch of a descendent is trying to make people believe. There is a pattern here, one that goes back all the way to the Cromwells , Robespierres and worse. This is always worth presenting because it is a real life occurrence, a real lie people are given to swallow over and over again. It's just that the author is perpetuating the lie, selling it himself, as the good piece of blind idealist he is.
And, as they all do, he is putting the cart before the horse, twisting historical inspiration to appear convincing: "See, my story goes just like real history. I must be right." No, he's not. Unity was not made for peace. The Leviathan was not installed for the good of the people, it just happened to make unity after it killed everyone else and it did it for its own sake. Edward VII ended the Wars of the Roses by killing or impoverishing his competitors, by stealing what wasn't his.
The GRReat Moron is advocating admiration for the strongest thief, for the big tyrant, and waving a big fantasised threat to help people submitting to his trick. "I told them they were all going to die". It always works.
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Post by Seto on Nov 24, 2018 9:01:41 GMT
after this book do some of you still believe he hasnt written/finished the song of ice and fire books??? so let me get this straight he has time to finish a 700+ pages book - a new book about the targaryens but yet hasnt finished the winds of winter or a dream of spring? he is a LIAR !! he has finished all the books and like i have been saying all along HBO is keeping the books hostage no new books will be released until S8 airs/ends then one after the other will be released -it will be like magic lol GRMM will be a very very VERY rich man this is all about greed money and contracts which is fine he has worked for it but i really dislike being lied to and the way they are stringing along fans and milking this . I don't know why you continue to believe this. There is absolutely zero evidence to support it, and reasoning that its about greed makes no sense, the books would certainly make less money being released after the show ends, not more. Martin is not a liar, and he isn't lying to you. Seems you are simply lying to yourself.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 24, 2018 9:31:45 GMT
There is absolutely zero evidence to support it, and reasoning that its about greed makes no sense, the books would certainly make less money being released after the show ends, not more. I think the idea is that HBO want to maximise the show's revenue by preventing spoilers so they keep him captive and feed him lemon cakes. I know I couldn't write anything serious if I were to live on the stuff
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 25, 2018 17:15:18 GMT
after this book do some of you still believe he hasnt written/finished the song of ice and fire books??? so let me get this straight he has time to finish a 700+ pages book - a new book about the targaryens but yet hasnt finished the winds of winter or a dream of spring? he is a LIAR !! he has finished all the books and like i have been saying all along HBO is keeping the books hostage no new books will be released until S8 airs/ends then one after the other will be released -it will be like magic lol GRMM will be a very very VERY rich man this is all about greed money and contracts which is fine he has worked for it but i really dislike being lied to and the way they are stringing along fans and milking this . I don't know why you continue to believe this. There is absolutely zero evidence to support it, and reasoning that its about greed makes no sense, the books would certainly make less money being released after the show ends, not more. Martin is not a liar, and he isn't lying to you. Seems you are simply lying to yourself. Im not the one who keeps promising fans about book date releases that never come , HE IS , how many Novembers or Decembers have gone by since GRMM last said winds of winter will be released ? MANY then something happened and all the talk about it stopped - IMO HBO happened they probably paid him millions not to release the books before the show ends , so you dont think a major plot final of the story being revealed in the book will hurt the shows ratings?? for the first 4 seasons everything was known about baby dragons, dragons growing up , the red wedding, jon snow getting stabbed etc... it was all OUT THERE now all you have is guesses , sorry but i think it does play a BIG role if the books get released and a major plot-line gets revealed before show airs , IMO i think one major character ( DAENYRYS TARGARYEN) dies in winds of winter book and i think they want to keep that under wraps as long as they can.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 25, 2018 17:16:15 GMT
There is absolutely zero evidence to support it, and reasoning that its about greed makes no sense, the books would certainly make less money being released after the show ends, not more. I think the idea is that HBO want to maximise the show's revenue by preventing spoilers so they keep him captive and feed him lemon cakes. I know I couldn't write anything serious if I were to live on the stuff Is this why GRMM has sansa liking lemon cakes? is this one of his favorite deserts?..LOL
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 25, 2018 17:22:17 GMT
I think the idea is that HBO want to maximise the show's revenue by preventing spoilers so they keep him captive and feed him lemon cakes. I know I couldn't write anything serious if I were to live on the stuff Is this why GRMM has sansa liking lemon cakes? is this one of his favorite deserts?..LOL I wonder if he likes it. I'm not sure he likes Sansa very much either.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 25, 2018 17:34:54 GMT
Is this why GRMM has sansa liking lemon cakes? is this one of his favorite deserts?..LOL I wonder if he likes it. I'm not sure he likes Sansa very much either. LOLOLOL thats so funny..lol youre right i dont think he likes sansa that much dont think tv show writers liked her character that much , i mean they wrote in a rape storyline for her which was un-necessary just for ratings and i think GRMM has written similar story for her in winds of winter he already said winds of winter will have a very controversial sansa chapter -i believe to be that.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 25, 2018 18:02:32 GMT
that much dont think tv show writers liked her character that much , i mean they wrote in a rape storyline for her which was un-necessary just for ratings and i think GRMM has written similar story for her in winds of winter he already said winds of winter will have a very controversial sansa chapter -i believe to be that. The show runners love all their characters. They make them very rich But seriously, I do believe they love all the major ones and they made a point of praising Sophie Turner, saying they wrote especially for her. They had the character go through the worst and not only come out on top but wiser, just like Cersei. Hey, they even loved Ramsay. I felt he was the most enjoyable character outside of King's Landing in S5 and S6.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Dec 14, 2018 10:59:06 GMT
I am reading it now and I am quite enjoying it. The style (a fake history book) was a bit strange at first but I am finding it quite enthralling. It's quite some world building that GRRM has done!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 15, 2018 3:57:42 GMT
I am reading it now and I am quite enjoying it. The style (a fake history book) was a bit strange at first but I am finding it quite enthralling. It's quite some world building that GRRM has done! The World of Ice & Fire does a great job of this too.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Dec 15, 2018 21:32:26 GMT
I am reading it now and I am quite enjoying it. The style (a fake history book) was a bit strange at first but I am finding it quite enthralling. It's quite some world building that GRRM has done! The World of Ice & Fire does a great job of this too. I may check that one out after I am done with 'Fire and Blood'.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 15, 2018 21:48:59 GMT
The World of Ice & Fire does a great job of this too. I may check that one out after I am done with 'Fire and Blood' It's worth it. A lot of great artwork and a fairly thorough history of Westeros and Essos.
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