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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 17:18:55 GMT
Was Jehovah justified in 2 Kings 2: 23-24 where He/She sent two bears to maul 42 children just because they were mocking a bald man?
How about Acts 5: 1-11. Yahweh kills Ananias and his wife. They embezzled. Yahweh didn't kill them because they embezzled, he killed them to put the fear of God into the rest of the congregation.
What a nice guy, eh?
He's not a nice deity, he sent snakes to kill people who complained they were dying of thirst and starvation... He stopped the sun so that Joshua could finish slaughtering other people in daylight.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 17:20:10 GMT
You're not on trial here, you don't have to answer... Please state your case for or against the God of the Bible's murder sprees and outright genocide? Putting God on trial is silly. It’s like putting the judge in the courtroom on trial. It’s nonsensical. Now Father Dipshit, do you or do you not support abortion? So you still trouble the court, yet have no evidence to give? You are dismissed.
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Post by Cody™ on Nov 25, 2018 17:25:33 GMT
Putting God on trial is silly. It’s like putting the judge in the courtroom on trial. It’s nonsensical. Now Father Dipshit, do you or do you not support abortion? So you still trouble the court, yet have no evidence to give? You are dismissed. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 17:28:37 GMT
So you still trouble the court, yet have no evidence to give? You are dismissed. LOL I said you are dismissed... You had your chance to give witness... Nothing you say now has any bearing on the outcome of this case.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 17:56:51 GMT
As the only witness for the defence has used the argument that God didn't have any written rules to obey, as if that somehow absolves him of moral responsibility, like he is a totally amoral being...
This court is left with no choice but to conclude that the God of the Bible is guilty of millions of counts of murder, and genocide.
Given the nature of these crimes against humanity, and the totally obscene justifications God gave for commiting them, this court has no option but to sentence him to imprisonment for life in an institution for the criminally insane.
The co-defendant, Satan, is a victim of the Biblical God's twisted machinations, and is free to go.
COURT DISMISSED.
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Post by Vegas on Nov 25, 2018 19:10:15 GMT
No, dipshit, you didn’t. You avoided the question. And the topic is about mass murder of innocents. Abortion falls into that category. So Dougal are you going to man up answer the question. Do you support Abortion? Order in Court! I'm not in the dock here, God is. I'm acting for the prosecution. Now... As God is refusing to attend this trial, evidence will be heard in his absence. Do you wish to provide evidence for the prosecution or defence? This is why I can't get mad at you.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Nov 25, 2018 21:37:44 GMT
If God exists I hope hes better than portrayed in the Bible.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 12:47:13 GMT
The god depicted in the bible clearly is a mass murderer.
Some people worship him regardless, coming up with all sorts of excuses as to why it's okay for their god to murder people. That is their right. It's really no different to those sad women who fall in love with serial killers and rapists who are in prison.
The funny part comes when those same people then pretend that they have moral superiority of those of us who don't condone mass murder. Such hypocrisy!
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 26, 2018 13:37:48 GMT
Oh come on, that's before He became a hippie and started to preach "turning the other cheek" and what not...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 17:59:44 GMT
I just did... Please stay on topic. No, dipshit, you didn’t. You avoided the question. And the topic is about mass murder of innocents. Abortion falls into that category. And god could prevent those abortions. Tell me, is there a single abortion that isn't part of 'god's plan'?
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Post by Cody™ on Nov 26, 2018 18:03:34 GMT
No, dipshit, you didn’t. You avoided the question. And the topic is about mass murder of innocents. Abortion falls into that category. And god could prevent those abortions. Tell me, is there a single abortion that isn't part of 'god's plan'? God gave us free will. Not a single one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 18:09:45 GMT
And god could prevent those abortions. Tell me, is there a single abortion that isn't part of 'god's plan'? God gave us free will. Not according to your bible. So you're telling me we can do things outside of god's plan or will? Man, your god really isn't.
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Post by Cody™ on Nov 26, 2018 18:40:40 GMT
Not according to your bible. So you're telling me we can do things outside of god's plan or will? Man, your god really isn't.We have the capacity to make choices that effects our destiny. Therefore we have free will. We can do things outside of God’s plan because he didn’t create us like robots. He gave us FREE WILL. That doesn’t make him any less God. Romans 12:2 explains. His will/plan is the best way to lead our lives. Unfortunately most of us, I include professed Christians in that, me included, outright reject or don’t always follow that plan/will.
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Post by Isapop on Nov 26, 2018 18:43:27 GMT
And god could prevent those abortions. Tell me, is there a single abortion that isn't part of 'god's plan'? God gave us free will. Not a single one. I'll reiterate. As long as you keep insisting on this "Well, what about abortion?" response, then your defense of God amounts to "He's no worse than man is!" You really think that makes for any kind of adequate defense?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Nov 26, 2018 19:01:02 GMT
That's kind of the interesting thing about the Bible, in the Old Testament God comes across as a genocidal maniac, in the New Testament (in the teachings of Jesus anyways) he comes across as a full on pacifist and socialist. It ends up coming across as a selfcontradictory, unchoesive mess. So much so I'm not even sure how anyone thinks it's supposed to be the same God. It's almost as if it was written by several authors with no actual regard for contintuity and consitency. But that couldn't possibly be the case, right?
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Post by Cody™ on Nov 26, 2018 19:34:43 GMT
That's kind of the interesting thing about the Bible, in the Old Testament God comes across as a genocidal maniac, in the New Testament (in the teachings of Jesus anyways) he comes across as a full on pacifist and socialist. It ends up coming across as a selfcontradictory, unchoesive mess. So much so I'm not even sure how anyone thinks it's supposed to be the same God. It's almost as if it was written by several authors with no actual regard for contintuity and consitency. But that couldn't possibly be the case, right? 1) Progressive revelation. 2) Both testaments reveal God’s just but also loving nature. 3) It’s written by several authors with the same theme. All pointing to Christ. He is the fulfilment of both testaments.
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Post by goz on Nov 26, 2018 20:52:18 GMT
That's kind of the interesting thing about the Bible, in the Old Testament God comes across as a genocidal maniac, in the New Testament (in the teachings of Jesus anyways) he comes across as a full on pacifist and socialist. It ends up coming across as a selfcontradictory, unchoesive mess. So much so I'm not even sure how anyone thinks it's supposed to be the same God. It's almost as if it was written by several authors with no actual regard for contintuity and consitency. But that couldn't possibly be the case, right? 1) Progressive revelation. 2) Both testaments reveal God’s just but also loving nature. 3) It’s written by several authors with the same theme. All pointing to Christ. He is the fulfilment of both testaments. 1) What is progressive revelation. Does that mean that things change over time with the nature of 'God', or that it is told progressively different over time? 2) What is God's justification ( or yours on his behalf) for the loss of human life he appears to instigate. Is it an early form of fear tactics and crowd control? 'Believe in me and do as I say, or else'? 3) Are you telling me that the author's of the OT had cognigence of the content of the New Testament?...and that the God ( presumably the Father ) was vengeful, yet his Son ( who apparently are one and the same things? ?) was later Jesus the peacemaker? What happened in between? Why the attitude change?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 18:11:34 GMT
Not according to your bible. So you're telling me we can do things outside of god's plan or will? Man, your god really isn't.Romans 12:2 explains. His will/plan is the best way to lead our lives. Unfortunately most of us, I include professed Christians in that, me included, outright reject or don’t always follow that plan/will. We can do things outside of God’s plan because he didn’t create us like robots. So, when we do something outside god's plan, he's surprised? Are these things outside god's WILL?Look, you need to take it up with your book... I'm just going by what it says- John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
1 John 3:20 "... he knows everything."
Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.
Hebrews 4:13 Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Romans 11:36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
Psalm 139:4 Before a word is on my tongue you, Lord, know it completely.
Psalm 147:5 Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.
Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you
Romans 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.
Ephesians 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will
Psalm 33:11 The counsel of the Lord stands forever, the plans of his heart to all generations.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand
Proverbs 16:9 The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.
Job 42:2 “I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you;
Psalm 138:8 The Lord will fulfill his purpose for me;
Proverbs 19:21 Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.
Job 5:12 He thwarts the plans of the crafty, so that their hands achieve no success.
Psalm 33:10 The Lord foils the plans of the nations; he thwarts the purposes of the peoples.
Psalm 94:11 The Lord knows all human plans; he knows that they are futile.
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Post by goz on Nov 27, 2018 20:02:29 GMT
Romans 12:2 explains. His will/plan is the best way to lead our lives. Unfortunately most of us, I include professed Christians in that, me included, outright reject or don’t always follow that plan/will. We can do things outside of God’s plan because he didn’t create us like robots. So, when we do something outside god's plan, he's surprised? Are these things outside god's WILL?Look, you need to take it up with your book... I'm just going by what it says- John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
1 John 3:20 "... he knows everything."
Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.
Hebrews 4:13 Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Romans 11:36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
Psalm 139:4 Before a word is on my tongue you, Lord, know it completely.
Psalm 147:5 Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.
Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you
Romans 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.
Ephesians 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will
Psalm 33:11 The counsel of the Lord stands forever, the plans of his heart to all generations.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand
Proverbs 16:9 The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.
Job 42:2 “I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you;
Psalm 138:8 The Lord will fulfill his purpose for me;
Proverbs 19:21 Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.
Job 5:12 He thwarts the plans of the crafty, so that their hands achieve no success.
Psalm 33:10 The Lord foils the plans of the nations; he thwarts the purposes of the peoples.
Psalm 94:11 The Lord knows all human plans; he knows that they are futile.
You have ably highlighted the 'thing' I have never understood about this whole concept of 'free will'. Are Christian truly 'free'? or is it a clever lose/lose trap set by God, to entrap humans, thus maintaining an impossible power over them? EITHER God is omnipotent and controlling everything or he is NOT. IF, as seems the case he is saying 'go and make your own decision' butt be VERY sure that IF it is not what I want and you don't second guess me according to impossible circumstances and with inadequate instructions in my book...and do what I want...you are right royally FUCKED!' ...and they seem to lap up this sh!t!
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