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Post by Eλευθερί on Dec 7, 2018 11:45:15 GMT
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Post by Marv on Dec 7, 2018 12:17:44 GMT
Extremists are very contrary to my general nature...so we wouldn’t get along.
Even if the extremist is a beaming light of positivity and only spreads happiness.
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Post by general313 on Dec 7, 2018 15:54:20 GMT
First off, I must say I'm surprised to see you inject ad hominems so early in your first point. "stupid Democrat party supporters", really? I thought you were above that sort of thing. I don't agree with your point in the final paragraph. You will never find any country or political party that is free of corruption (unless everyone is dead), but you will find some with less than others. I believe the Democratic Party tends to be less tolerant of corruption, just compare how it reacted to Al Franken's situation compared to the Republican Party's response to Roy Moore. Yeah, Al franken was sacrificed, to make the Democratic party look fair and unbiased. It was disgusting watching them do that to one of their own and realizing the true purpose behind it. So you think Franken was less culpable than Moore? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 16:10:55 GMT
Being on message boards for a long time I have frequently seen two charges made by many atheists/secularists on religious people: 1) Religious people have tribal mentality. Sure. Many of them do. But I don't think I see your stupid Democrat party supporters being anything different. This would be an example of your displaying a tribal mentality - assuming that "atheist/secularist = Democrat". Most Democrats are religious. And many atheists and secularists are not Democrats, because they're not even American. Then they are behaving foolishly, and they should stop doing that. "The tu quoque fallacy : when one is accused of an Tu quoque (Latin for "you also"), or the appeal to hypocrisy. This is a fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s). It is a fallacy because the moral character or actions of the opponent are generally irrelevant to the logic of the argument. In this case the fact that leftists are allegedly hypocrites does not have any impact on the fact that the right are hypocrites also. There's also the fact that, again, not everyone is an American. I've never voted for Hillary in my life, if only because she's never run for office in my country. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Dec 7, 2018 16:15:11 GMT
Extremists are very contrary to my general nature...so we wouldn’t get along. Even if the extremist is a beaming light of positivity and only spreads happiness. Again, it's not helpful to discuss extremism without a definition that lays out what is meant by that term. Nelson Mandela was an extremist. Emmeline Pankhurst and Susan B. Anthony were extremists. Mohandas Gandhi was an extremist. Martin Luther King was an extremist. Thomas Jefferson was an extremist. Jesus of Nazareth was an extremist. |
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 7, 2018 16:30:41 GMT
Being on message boards for a long time I have frequently seen two charges made by many atheists/secularists on religious people: 1) Religious people have tribal mentality. Sure. Many of them do. But I don't think I see your stupid Democrat party supporters being anything different. This would be an example of your displaying a tribal mentality - assuming that "atheist/secularist = Democrat". Most Democrats are religious. And many atheists and secularists are not Democrats, because they're not even American. Then they are behaving foolishly, and they should stop doing that. "The tu quoque fallacy : when one is accused of an Tu quoque (Latin for "you also"), or the appeal to hypocrisy. This is a fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s). It is a fallacy because the moral character or actions of the opponent are generally irrelevant to the logic of the argument. In this case the fact that leftists are allegedly hypocrites does not have any impact on the fact that the right are hypocrites also. There's also the fact that, again, not everyone is an American. I've never voted for Hillary in my life, if only because she's never run for office in my country. I am not assuming "atheist/secularist = Democrat". I was talking about specific atheist/ secularist who display a certain trait. And I have no idea what you mean by your use of this "Tu Qouque fallacy". Please clarify who made the "The Tu Quoque fallacy"? Tu Quoque fallacy basically means "Claiming the argument is flawed by pointing out that the one making the argument is not acting consistently with the claims of the argument." for "tu quoque fallacy" to be possible, the person making the argument would have to be one of the party. I am not a right winger. For the tu qouque to be possible one will have to justify oneself or excuse oneself. Neither that happened in the argument. I specifically said most right wingers are pathetic and hypocrite. Then I gave a specific reason why certain anti-religious people are hypocrite. Their hypocrisy is for a reason independent of reasons why right-wingers are hypocrites.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 16:43:19 GMT
I am not assuming "atheist/secularist = Democrat". I was talking about specific atheist/ secularist who display a certain trait. That's not how you worded it. You did. I explained why in the post you are responding to. No, they would have to be the one making the argument. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 7, 2018 16:43:54 GMT
Yeah, Al franken was sacrificed, to make the Democratic party look fair and unbiased. It was disgusting watching them do that to one of their own and realizing the true purpose behind it. So you think Franken was less culpable than Moore? No. I think the machine controlling Franken (and Moore too probably) knew all about the alleged groping incident and kept silent about it for years, until it was needed. |
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 7, 2018 16:45:56 GMT
I am not assuming "atheist/secularist = Democrat". I was talking about specific atheist/ secularist who display a certain trait. That's not how you worded it. You did. I explained why in the post you are responding to. No, they would have to be the one making the argument. Then you didn't explain it well. And in my op no one neither the leftist nor the right wingers made any argument as to justification of their actions. Consequently there was no you too fallacy. And I specifically agree with both claims of anti-religious. I specifically wrote "sure" to agree with both the charges of hypocricy on the right wingers. I even stated that I agree with the leftists that the republicans are indeed hypocrites.
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Post by Marv on Dec 7, 2018 17:03:35 GMT
Extremists are very contrary to my general nature...so we wouldn’t get along. Even if the extremist is a beaming light of positivity and only spreads happiness. Again, it's not helpful to discuss extremism without a definition that lays out what is meant by that term. Nelson Mandela was an extremist. Emmeline Pankhurst and Susan B. Anthony were extremists. Mohandas Gandhi was an extremist. Martin Luther King was an extremist. Thomas Jefferson was an extremist. Jesus of Nazareth was an extremist. I would probably dislike spending time with all those people. |
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Post by general313 on Dec 7, 2018 17:51:51 GMT
So you think Franken was less culpable than Moore? No. I think the machine controlling Franken (and Moore too probably) knew all about the alleged groping incident and kept silent about it for years, until it was needed. Do you think it was the same machine going after both Franken and Moore? |
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Post by thefleetsin on Dec 7, 2018 18:08:33 GMT
whores and rumors of whores
the outstanding difference
between
a right wing conservative christian
and a flaming liberal
would have to be
narrowed down
to a
penchant for spending
billions of dollars
on an already bloated
military industrial complex
earmarked to spread a gospel of vice
through out the world
and
those same dollars being used
to
comfort sick people in hospitals and hospices.
of course
it was devout christians
who
slammed their near death in-laws
into holding cells
to
begin with
for nothing says
do unto others before they do it unto you
quite like a
born again capitalist
who
would rather count his blessing
at a teller window
than
kneeling at a pew.
sjw 12/07/18 inspired at this very moment in time by mine eyes have seen the gory of the coming of their lord.
from the 'blasphemy series' of poems
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 7, 2018 18:22:31 GMT
No. I think the machine controlling Franken (and Moore too probably) knew all about the alleged groping incident and kept silent about it for years, until it was needed. Do you think it was the same machine going after both Franken and Moore? Yes, I think so. Whether or not Moore was in on the scheme is uncertain. And when Franken was told that he was going to be cut loose, there was nothing he could do about it. The machine has blackmail material on all of these guys, and if there's nothing scandalous there, they'll arrange something. Since Trump won his election, I suspected that Moore was going to lose his. It gives the appearance that there's real friction between the two major parties. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 7, 2018 18:26:34 GMT
whores and rumors of whores the outstanding difference between a right wing conservative christian and a flaming liberal would have to be narrowed down to a penchant for spending billions of dollars on an already bloated military industrial complex earmarked to spread a gospel of vice through out the world and those same dollars being used to comfort sick people in hospitals and hospices. of course it was devout christians who slammed their near death in-laws into holding cells to begin with for nothing says do unto others before they do it unto you quite like a born again capitalist who would rather count his blessing at a teller window than kneeling at a pew. sjw 12/07/18 inspired at this very moment in time by mine eyes have seen the gory of the coming of their lord. from the 'blasphemy series' of poems Look! Filthy McNasty just posted another one of his "poems." Too bad he doesn't have his own thread like he used to. Then his adoring fans could go straight there whenever he craps out a new one. |
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Post by drystyx on Dec 7, 2018 19:52:47 GMT
I think you make your point quite clear, yet most people either don't get it, or don't want to face up to it.
The correlation of Republican with Christian and Democrat with anti Christian is exactly what you say doesn't fit, and is illogical. That's what people of low mentality don't face up to.
At least that's one big point you're making.
Democrats are for human rights, and lets face it, outside of the abortion issue, every single Democrat platform is Jesus based, while every single Republican platform is anti Jesus based. That's the fact. And it's pretty obvious.
So, your point is partially that for people to equate the standard of religious Christian with Republican is a sign of low mentality, which it is, and that's something that we're led to believe is "believed" by most Americans.
If so, that makes most Americans very feeble minded, and I'm pretty sure that's the case.
So it isn't possible to respect people who believe in the myth of Republican-Christian and Democrat-non Christian. I'm not saying it's exactly the opposite. Only that this particular "myth" is ridiculous and illogical.
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Post by general313 on Dec 7, 2018 20:15:59 GMT
Do you think it was the same machine going after both Franken and Moore? Yes, I think so. Whether or not Moore was in on the scheme is uncertain. And when Franken was told that he was going to be cut loose, there was nothing he could do about it. The machine has blackmail material on all of these guys, and if there's nothing scandalous there, they'll arrange something. Since Trump won his election, I suspected that Moore was going to lose his. It gives the appearance that there's real friction between the two major parties. Hmm, I suppose you think it's all centrally planned by a single authority. I think not. It has been demonstrated (during the Cold War) that centrally planned economies are less efficient than unplanned ones, and I don't think you need to propose a central authority to explain all the chaos and backstabbing seen in politics today (or for that matter any other time). |
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Post by thefleetsin on Dec 7, 2018 23:06:55 GMT
whores and rumors of whores the outstanding difference between a right wing conservative christian and a flaming liberal would have to be narrowed down to a penchant for spending billions of dollars on an already bloated military industrial complex earmarked to spread a gospel of vice through out the world and those same dollars being used to comfort sick people in hospitals and hospices. of course it was devout christians who slammed their near death in-laws into holding cells to begin with for nothing says do unto others before they do it unto you quite like a born again capitalist who would rather count his blessing at a teller window than kneeling at a pew. sjw 12/07/18 inspired at this very moment in time by mine eyes have seen the gory of the coming of their lord. from the 'blasphemy series' of poems Look! Filthy McNasty just posted another one of his "poems." Too bad he doesn't have his own thread like he used to. Then his adoring fans could go straight there whenever he craps out a new one. actually, this is how i originally would post on the old board and this one. i prefer it to any other type of posting. it's very direct and instantaneous on my part. it allows for not only a more clandestine way of posting but forces me to save the work right after i create it. whereas, i would get lazy any other way. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Dec 8, 2018 3:51:29 GMT
Look! Filthy McNasty just posted another one of his "poems." Too bad he doesn't have his own thread like he used to. Then his adoring fans could go straight there whenever he craps out a new one. actually, this is how i originally would post on the old board and this one. i prefer it to any other type of posting. it's very direct and instantaneous on my part. it allows for not only a more clandestine way of posting but forces me to save the work right after i create it. whereas, i would get lazy any other way. Just FYI, I have two words for Erjen and it's not 'Let's dance'!  |
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Post by goz on Dec 8, 2018 4:24:16 GMT
Is it being an anti-religious extremist to hate religious extremists?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 8, 2018 6:26:39 GMT
Yes, I think so. Whether or not Moore was in on the scheme is uncertain. And when Franken was told that he was going to be cut loose, there was nothing he could do about it. The machine has blackmail material on all of these guys, and if there's nothing scandalous there, they'll arrange something. Since Trump won his election, I suspected that Moore was going to lose his. It gives the appearance that there's real friction between the two major parties. Hmm, I suppose you think it's all centrally planned by a single authority. I think not. It has been demonstrated (during the Cold War) that centrally planned economies are less efficient than unplanned ones, and I don't think you need to propose a central authority to explain all the chaos and backstabbing seen in politics today (or for that matter any other time). I don't think that everything is centrally planned. Some things still manage to happen on their own. |
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