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Post by heeeeey on Dec 7, 2018 15:10:38 GMT
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 7, 2018 15:24:41 GMT
You didn't read the article, or if you did you are so mind-numbingly stupid that you didn't understand it. Jesus, I just can't fathom how a human being could be a dumb as you are. Can you even feed yourself? The explanation is in the article itself, you unbelievable clown. When you think about moving a limb, this consists of networks of neurons firing in your brain and sending electrical signals to the appropriate motor areas. What this technology does is read those signals and translate them into mechanical movements of the robot arm. It is all entirely physical. The technology just creates a different physical pathway for the signals to travel on. Grab your popcorn, folks--let's watch how this incredible idiot tries to twist this into some kind of mystery by denying what the article says in plain English, which I just put into sound bite form.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 7, 2018 15:43:21 GMT
You didn't read the article, or if you did you are so mind-numbingly stupid that you didn't understand it. Jesus, I just can't fathom how a human being could be a dumb as you are. Can you even feed yourself? The explanation is in the article itself, you unbelievable clown. When you think about moving a limb, this consists of networks of neurons firing in your brain and sending electrical signals to the appropriate motor areas. What this technology does is read those signals and translate them into mechanical movements of the robot arm. It is all entirely physical. The technology just creates a different physical pathway for the signals to travel on. Grab your popcorn, folks--let's watch how this incredible idiot tries to twist this into some kind of mystery by denying what the article says in plain English, which I just put into sound bite form. Read this, you pompous ass: www.sciencealert.com/a-new-start-up-wants-to-transfer-your-consciousness-to-an-artificial-body-so-you-can-live-foreverIf consciousness is not an issue, why get a brain from a corpse for that experiment? They should be able to map a live brain to a robot, and the robot should exhibit the same personality and thoughts as the original brain.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 7, 2018 16:05:32 GMT
You didn't read the article, or if you did you are so mind-numbingly stupid that you didn't understand it. Jesus, I just can't fathom how a human being could be a dumb as you are. Can you even feed yourself? The explanation is in the article itself, you unbelievable clown. When you think about moving a limb, this consists of networks of neurons firing in your brain and sending electrical signals to the appropriate motor areas. What this technology does is read those signals and translate them into mechanical movements of the robot arm. It is all entirely physical. The technology just creates a different physical pathway for the signals to travel on. Grab your popcorn, folks--let's watch how this incredible idiot tries to twist this into some kind of mystery by denying what the article says in plain English, which I just put into sound bite form. Read this, you pompous ass: www.sciencealert.com/a-new-start-up-wants-to-transfer-your-consciousness-to-an-artificial-body-so-you-can-live-foreverIf consciousness is not an issue, why get a brain from a corpse for that experiment? They should be able to map a live brain to a robot, and the robot should exhibit the same personality and thoughts as the original brain. Once again, you are so fucking stupid you don't even try to understand the stuff you link to. The article itself says that for this transfer of consciousness to work, the physical attributes of the original brain have to be physically duplicated in a new system. It is all physical. There is no such thing as non-physical consciousness, otherwise they wouldn't have to describe all of these physical processes in their science fiction scheme. It's that simple. Yes, as you suggest, this could theoretically be done using a robot rather than a brain. Nevertheless, if you don't physically duplicate the information processing of the original brain into another physical system, you will not duplicate or "transfer" the consciousness of the original person. Having said all that, these people are just cranks who completely underestimate the complexity of the brain and the body it resides in. You can't just look at a person's brain. You have to look at how the chemical soup produced by other organs effects the brain--yes, your heart, kidneys, intestines, and stomach (among other things) all influence your cognition. People like them have been talking about doing this for decades. I even wrote a couple papers on the subject in college for my coursework in philosophy of consciousness, and that was decades ago. The more we learn about the brain, the more crazy these schemes look.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 7, 2018 17:48:24 GMT
You've ridden this "conscious" thing into the ground and the only thing you've proven is your scientific illiteracy. Time to move on.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 7, 2018 18:31:04 GMT
Once again, you are so fucking stupid you don't even try to understand the stuff you link to. The article itself says that for this transfer of consciousness to work, the physical attributes of the original brain have to be physically duplicated in a new system. It is all physical. There is no such thing as non-physical consciousness, otherwise they wouldn't have to describe all of these physical processes in their science fiction scheme. It's that simple. Yes, as you suggest, this could theoretically be done using a robot rather than a brain. Nevertheless, if you don't physically duplicate the information processing of the original brain into another physical system, you will not duplicate or "transfer" the consciousness of the original person. Having said all that, these people are just cranks who completely underestimate the complexity of the brain and the body it resides in. You can't just look at a person's brain. You have to look at how the chemical soup produced by other organs effects the brain--yes, your heart, kidneys, intestines, and stomach (among other things) all influence your cognition. People like them have been talking about doing this for decades. I even wrote a couple papers on the subject in college for my coursework in philosophy of consciousness, and that was decades ago. The more we learn about the brain, the more crazy these schemes look.Then why are they doing it?
Answer my question dumbass:
If they succeed at mapping the brain to a robot (like Elon Musk is doing), then won't both the person and the robot have the same personality, thoughts, etc? If not, why not if the consciousness is in the brain? Wouldn't the robot be conscious too?
If consciousness is in the brain, why are people different? Why do they have unique thoughts, personalities, skills, abilities, etc.?
Don't bother to answer because I know you don't have a clue.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 7, 2018 18:39:52 GMT
Then why are they doing it? They are deluded and think this will offer people a chance at immortality. Wouldn't you want that? Yes, if this were possible (and it almost certainly isn't possible) the person and the robot would have exactly the same personality, thoughts, etc. Because people have different genes, different development in the womb, and different environments. No one should have to explain something so fucking obvious to another human being, but you take the cake for sheer ignorance.
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 7, 2018 18:45:35 GMT
Well...all this has certainly increased my frequency of reading fancy words. On that other thread, I read a word called "Compartmentalise". Not that I wasn't aware of that word before reading that thread. But in that thread that word was used in a way that really made me smile.
Now I really appreciate all this.
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Post by mikef6 on Dec 7, 2018 19:09:57 GMT
You didn't read the article, or if you did you are so mind-numbingly stupid that you didn't understand it. Jesus, I just can't fathom how a human being could be a dumb as you are. Can you even feed yourself? The explanation is in the article itself, you unbelievable clown. When you think about moving a limb, this consists of networks of neurons firing in your brain and sending electrical signals to the appropriate motor areas. What this technology does is read those signals and translate them into mechanical movements of the robot arm. It is all entirely physical. The technology just creates a different physical pathway for the signals to travel on. Grab your popcorn, folks--let's watch how this incredible idiot tries to twist this into some kind of mystery by denying what the article says in plain English, which I just put into sound bite form.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 7, 2018 19:38:09 GMT
Then why are they doing it? They are deluded and think this will offer people a chance at immortality. Wouldn't you want that? Yes, if this were possible (and it almost certainly isn't possible) the person and the robot would have exactly the same personality, thoughts, etc. Because people have different genes, different development in the womb, and different environments. No one should have to explain something so fucking obvious to another human being, but you take the cake for sheer ignorance. Then why do twins have different personalities, twit?
You keep patting yourself on the back over what your dumbass knows about the MIND and its affects on the brain. That has shit to do with AWARENESS and what THAT is.
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Post by general313 on Dec 7, 2018 19:51:24 GMT
They are deluded and think this will offer people a chance at immortality. Wouldn't you want that? Yes, if this were possible (and it almost certainly isn't possible) the person and the robot would have exactly the same personality, thoughts, etc. Because people have different genes, different development in the womb, and different environments. No one should have to explain something so fucking obvious to another human being, but you take the cake for sheer ignorance. Then why do twins have different personalities, twit?
You keep patting yourself on the back over what your dumbass knows about the MIND and its affects on the brain. That has shit to do with AWARENESS and what THAT is. Do try to work on your reading and comprehension skills. The answer is in faustus's post: " different development in the womb". I suppose you think that identical twins have identical fingerprints, but they do not, for the same reason. By the way, the name calling insults really add substance to your arguments.
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Post by mrellaguru on Dec 7, 2018 20:11:48 GMT
Materialistic theories of mind have trouble with qualia, but not something like this. This is the brain physically interacting with a device.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 7, 2018 20:14:56 GMT
Then why do twins have different personalities, twit? What Cham said, plus the fact that they don't just experience differences in the womb, but differences in their life experiences as time goes on. All of these factors shape their brains in different ways and produce differences in personalities and responses to more life events. These issues are all interconnected in a big Venn diagram. None of them, or at least few of them, exist in isolation.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 7, 2018 20:20:59 GMT
Materialistic theories of mind have trouble with qualia, but not something like this. This is the brain physically interacting with a device. Well, whether "qualia" exist in the first place (or whether that term refers to something consistent or coherent) is still being debated.
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Post by mrellaguru on Dec 7, 2018 20:23:56 GMT
Materialistic theories of mind have trouble with qualia, but not something like this. This is the brain physically interacting with a device. Well, whether "qualia" exist in the first place (or whether that term refers to something consistent or coherent) is still being debated.
I know that qualia exists as much as I know that I exist. I'm not going to deny the facts of my own experience for the sake of being a consistent materialist.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 7, 2018 20:24:35 GMT
Then why do twins have different personalities, twit? What Cham said, plus the fact that they don't just experience differences in the womb, but differences in their life experiences as time goes on. All of these factors shape their brains in different ways and produce differences in personalities and responses to more life events. These issues are all interconnected in a big Venn diagram. None of them, or at least few of them, exist in isolation. One being awareness, twit.
You, goz and the rest of your pompous ass ilk are saying that every other civilization in the world, past and present, are idiots and that only YOU have all the answers along with all the other pompous asses. If you can't define awareness and prove that it cannot exist outside the body, then you don't know shit about it.
Go on believing that you are nothing but chemicals and that anything you feel for your spouse, children, loved ones etc., is nothing but chemicals.
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Post by drystyx on Dec 7, 2018 20:59:11 GMT
Then why do twins have different personalities, twit? What Cham said, plus the fact that they don't just experience differences in the womb, but differences in their life experiences as time goes on. All of these factors shape their brains in different ways and produce differences in personalities and responses to more life events. These issues are all interconnected in a big Venn diagram. None of them, or at least few of them, exist in isolation. Faustus is king of incoherent babbling. Okay, we need to put precise definitions on the terms here. Faustus likes to interchange terms with different definitions, as do the other uneducated buffoons here, and then they trick more intelligent posters like Hey into accepting those terms interchanged. Brain-we know what that is, because it's an organ. Mind-In my schooling, this was a synonym for brain. If anyone has it different, let it be known now. Self-awareness-This is not really defined in one way around the world. Some take it to mean the "meter reader" of the brain. Some take it to mean a program that can be instilled into a computer where the computer can clean itself of debris and problems and errors. Until there is a total agreement, this is a useless term, and the materialists of this board continually change its meaning back and forth to suit their design. That's like saying "Orange is a tasty fruit", then "orange is a loud color", then "a tasty fruit is a loud color". Consciousness-same trouble. Cognition-back in my day in the school of the seventies, this was applied to the "meter reader", but the materialists desperately needed to change it to serve their confusion in thought and provide them with justification to avoid logic by continually changing the definition of a term. I just refer to the soul or spirit as the "meter reader". Now, we know that the "meter reader" is not based on DNA or on "material" because of identical twins. That is a scientific fact. Disputing that would make someone a moron, a toothless high school dropout. A completely delusional idiot. Sadly, we have such people on this board. Materialists then have to resort to "energy" or "process", but there are logical complications here. First and foremost, whatever bit of energy is supposed to be the meter reader has to be conserved and trapped for a lifetime in the organism. And there are other organisms in the body. We're still left with "magic" or the "supernatural" to explain why. Whether it's organic magic, or not organic. Whether a computer can possess a "meter reading entity" or whether only organic compounds can do it, in the end, it's still "Magic" one way or the other. Just as the law of motion is "Magic". It isn't chaos. It's there. It's a rule. Rules don't write themselves. Only a moron thinks a rule writes itself with no "cognitive entity" or "meter reader" designing it. So, Faustus can babble incoherently all day long, and his fan club of Beavis and Butthead can guffaw and agree in their wishful thinking, but it doesn't change reality. Faustus and his mob are too afraid of reality and afraid of the search for truth to ever stop being stuck in their fantasy world. It's useless to speak to them. They're trolls, no different than meth heads who revel in their own ignorance. They like to use big words and "babble incoherently" to confuse the issue, but they fool only the feeblest minds. No offense. Here is my edit: I refer to the "process" earlier. Now, there is the theory that the former poster OUR GLORIOUS LEADER liked, that we do change, and we're not the same "meter reader" as we change, but we don't realize this simply because the new "meter reader" or "soul" inherits the memory of the old one. That sounds science fiction, but it's the only possible way materialism can work. There is no other way. If someone holds on to materialism in this way, then the person at least uses the only logic possible. This is a great tactic for anyone who is ever in a dangerous occupation, or is a spy, or being tortured. One can always believe that he or she is only experiencing the torture for a second till a new "soul" or "meter reader" acquires the sensations. Materialism is a great propaganda bit for people who need to use naïve students to control. Be aware that this has been going on for some time. Preaching materialism is the perfect system for a control freak, if he can get it to work.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 7, 2018 22:03:43 GMT
Well, whether "qualia" exist in the first place (or whether that term refers to something consistent or coherent) is still being debated.
I know that qualia exists as much as I know that I exist. I'm not going to deny the facts of my own experience for the sake of being a consistent materialist.
Actually, there is a long body of serious work in philosophy going at least as far back as Wittgenstein (who was not someone who would have accepted the label "materialist") which insists that no, you really don't "know" any such thing. Or that any claim of such "knowledge" is deeply problematic and plagued with problems. Or that what you think you "know" is a species of illusion. Or that what you think you are saying you "know" doesn't have all the properties you think it has.
We simply aren't talking about "facts" here.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 7, 2018 22:09:10 GMT
What Cham said, plus the fact that they don't just experience differences in the womb, but differences in their life experiences as time goes on. All of these factors shape their brains in different ways and produce differences in personalities and responses to more life events. These issues are all interconnected in a big Venn diagram. None of them, or at least few of them, exist in isolation. One being awareness, twit. Nope, shit for brains--your ignorance shines once again. You don't get to decide what words mean, and the way scientists use these concepts means "mind", "cognition", and "awareness" have significant overlap with one another. We aren't saying this--it's just ignorant you making shit up. Lots of smart people in older civilizations didn't know what we do now, and if they did, being smart people they would certainly change their minds. You are the one we are saying is a complete idiot. The burden of proof is upon you to come up with convincing evidence for this incredible claim. You can't, so you fail.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 7, 2018 22:16:02 GMT
Mind-In my schooling, this was a synonym for brain. If anyone has it different, let it be known now. Then you must have gone to a special for dunces that those of us who are actually able-minded never went to. Good to know, and hardly surprising. Nonsense which you pulled out of your dumb ass. Prove me wrong by citing a single respected scientist who has ever said something so stupid in his or her own words. Good luck with that! Nonsense which you pulled out of your dumb ass. Prove me wrong by citing a single respected scientist who has ever said something so stupid in his or her own words. Good luck with that!
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