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Post by CrepedCrusader on Dec 15, 2018 16:24:14 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 15, 2018 16:25:53 GMT
What's the issue?
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 15, 2018 16:31:25 GMT
Assuming he didn't use any church money I would consider it a lawful purchase.
Whether it is unethical or not depends on the subjective ethics of the person doing the purchase. Unless he preaches that everyone should live like a poor person or donate all his or her wealth I don't see why I would keep moaning about his personal life decisions.
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 15, 2018 16:34:55 GMT
He has a version of Christianity in his head and wants all Christians to live to his version of Christianity. Well,the world is actually different in reality and diverse.... |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 15, 2018 16:36:26 GMT
He has a version of Christianity in his head and wants all Christians to live to his version of Christianity. Well,the world is actually different in reality and diverse.... I'm not sure I follow. Is there a version of Christianity that doesn't allow you to buy a car you can afford? EDIT: NVM, you may have been talking about the OP. |
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 15, 2018 16:40:19 GMT
He has a version of Christianity in his head and wants all Christians to live to his version of Christianity. Well,the world is actually different in reality and diverse.... I'm not sure I follow. Is there a version of Christianity that doesn't allow you to buy a car you can afford? EDIT: NVM, you may have been talking about the OP. Yes, I was talking about the OP and the version of Christianity that his mind has created. The OP wants at least the preachers to live up to whatever he believes should be the lifestyle of the Christian preachers. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 15, 2018 16:42:12 GMT
I'm not sure I follow. Is there a version of Christianity that doesn't allow you to buy a car you can afford? EDIT: NVM, you may have been talking about the OP. Yes, I was talking about the OP and the version of Christianity that his mind has created. The OP wants at least the preachers to live up to whatever he believes should be the lifestyle of the Christian preachers. It's hard to tell with CrepedCrusader. He never comes back to his posts. |
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Post by Isapop on Dec 15, 2018 17:04:13 GMT
I think a pastor is supposed to set a good example for those in his flock to look to. So, he, more than the average Christian, needs to consider "What would Jesus do?" If someone paid Jesus two hundred grand for the Sermon on the Mount, would he spend it on a $200,000 car? |
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Post by thefleetsin on Dec 15, 2018 17:14:46 GMT
was it not christ who first mentioned the six-speed overdrive? in his sermon on the engine mount?
overtly materialistic christians are hawt. in a do-me-nasty-over-the-twelve-thousand-dollar-imported-granite-island-countertop sort of way.
or maybe it was that 'sell everything you have and give it to the poor' chap? for such is the kingdom of god. . .
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 15, 2018 18:11:39 GMT
I think a pastor is supposed to set a good example for those in his flock to look to. So, he, more than the average Christian, needs to consider "What would Jesus do?" If someone paid Jesus two hundred grand for the Sermon on the Mount, would he spend it on a $200,000 car? meh This would be contextual. The mega church is likely already ok with paying him a six figure salary, he has a TV show, and is an author.. A good Christian lives within his means. If his church has issues with it then he can address it to them. It’s entirely possible that this dude is living within his means. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses (😊)I don’t get paid at all for my faith but I would be expected to live according to my income. I have never had my brothers and sisters chastise me for my lifestyle and that’s because I still keep my eye simple. |
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Post by Isapop on Dec 15, 2018 18:52:33 GMT
I think a pastor is supposed to set a good example for those in his flock to look to. So, he, more than the average Christian, needs to consider "What would Jesus do?" If someone paid Jesus two hundred grand for the Sermon on the Mount, would he spend it on a $200,000 car? meh This would be contextual. The mega church is likely already ok with paying him a six figure salary, he has a TV show, and is an author.. A good Christian lives within his means. If his church has issues with it then he can address it to them. It’s entirely possible that this dude is living within his means. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses (😊)I don’t get paid at all for my faith but I would be expected to live according to my income. I have never had my brothers and sisters chastise me for my lifestyle and that’s because I still keep my eye simple. I'm talking about more than what a "good Christian", a member of a church does. I'm saying that a pastor needs to consider the effect of his actions on his flock. It's harder to believe in the sincerity of someone preaching about the dangers of materialism when he drives a Lamborghini. But then again, maybe his flock will see a flashy car as evidence of God's approval. ? Only yesterday you said to captainbryce , "a few assumptions not mentioned in scripture is where JW’s and me part ways to the extent that I would never qualify." Yesterday you would never qualify to be a JW, and today you are "one of Jehovah's Witnesses". Are you baptized a JW? (If you are, you'd have no problem in clearly affirming that.)
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Post by Vegas on Dec 15, 2018 19:21:50 GMT
People who enable this sort of thing are morons. Morons throwing their money at evil pricks. Yes... some of the moron's stories are quite sad and heartbreaking... Granny maybe the sweetest thing on the planet... but, if she's giving her social security to a guy like this... She's a moron, and somebody needs to take charge of her finances.  |
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 15, 2018 19:30:12 GMT
meh This would be contextual. The mega church is likely already ok with paying him a six figure salary, he has a TV show, and is an author.. A good Christian lives within his means. If his church has issues with it then he can address it to them. It’s entirely possible that this dude is living within his means. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses (😊)I don’t get paid at all for my faith but I would be expected to live according to my income. I have never had my brothers and sisters chastise me for my lifestyle and that’s because I still keep my eye simple. I'm talking about more than what a "good Christian", a member of a church does. I'm saying that a pastor needs to consider the effect of his actions on his flock. It's harder to believe in the sincerity of someone preaching about the dangers of materialism when he drives a Lamborghini. But then again, maybe his flock will see a flashy car as evidence of God's approval. ? Only yesterday you said to captainbryce , "a few assumptions not mentioned in scripture is where JW’s and me part ways to the extent that I would never qualify." Yesterday you would never qualify to be a JW, and today you are "one of Jehovah's Witnesses". Are you baptized a JW? (If you are, you'd have no problem in clearly affirming that.)
What you are basically doing is that you are interpreting Christian religion yourself and alleging that a certain Christian is being unethical based on your interpretation of the Christian religion. As a supporting evidence, you might cite many Christian preachers who would tend to agree that preachers should live a modest lifestyle. But that still means you are denying the Christian you are alleging is being at odds with his religion of interpreting his religion on his own. Recently there was a case of a Catholic priest living in a luxurious house while at the same time he is a person who had frequently spoken against living a life of luxury. It would make sense to complain against that sort of a person because that sort of a person is at conflict with what he says or preaches or believes. This preacher (the pastor in question) may interpret his religion differently. Trying to make people emotional by saying what Jesus would have done may feel like a very nice thing to do but it also means you are interpreting their religion and holding them responsible for not following your interpretation of their religion. There isn't any universal interpretation of Christianity. A Christians way of interpreting his religion and how much he should emulate Christ may be very different. Especially in religious schools in which "faith" is all that is needed for salvation and in which work/action are not necessary. |
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 15, 2018 19:32:22 GMT
People who enable this sort of thing are morons. Morons throwing their money at evil pricks. Yes... some of the moron's stories are quite sad and heartbreaking... Granny maybe the sweetest thing on the planet... but, if she's giving her social security to a guy like this... She's a moron, and somebody needs to take charge of her finances. Welcome to this planet called earth. There are preachers in India who would solve all your problems by making you eat tasty foods. |
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Post by Isapop on Dec 15, 2018 19:45:20 GMT
I'm talking about more than what a "good Christian", a member of a church does. I'm saying that a pastor needs to consider the effect of his actions on his flock. It's harder to believe in the sincerity of someone preaching about the dangers of materialism when he drives a Lamborghini. But then again, maybe his flock will see a flashy car as evidence of God's approval. ? Only yesterday you said to captainbryce , "a few assumptions not mentioned in scripture is where JW’s and me part ways to the extent that I would never qualify." Yesterday you would never qualify to be a JW, and today you are "one of Jehovah's Witnesses". Are you baptized a JW? (If you are, you'd have no problem in clearly affirming that.)
What you are basically doing is that you are interpreting Christian religion yourself and alleging that a certain Christian is being unethical based on your interpretation of the Christian religion. As a supporting evidence, you might cite many Christian preachers who would tend to agree that preachers should live a modest lifestyle. But that still means you are denying the Christian you are alleging is being at odds with his religion of interpreting his religion on his own. Recently there was a case of a Catholic priest living in a luxurious house while at the same time he is a person who had frequently spoken against living a life of luxury. It would make sense to complain against that sort of a person because that sort of a person is at conflict with what he says or preaches or believes. This preacher (the pastor in question) may interpret his religion differently. Trying to make people emotional by saying what Jesus would have done may feel like a very nice thing to do but it also means you are interpreting their religion and holding them responsible for not following your interpretation of their religion. There isn't any universal interpretation of Christianity. A Christians way of interpreting his religion and how much he should emulate Christ may be very different. Especially in religious schools in which "faith" is all that is needed for salvation and in which work/action are not necessary. Yes, I agree with you. While not a Christian, I am siding with a particular interpretation of how a Christian leader (a pastor in this case) should see his responsibilities to his flock. But there is also the "Gospel of Prosperity" which holds a different opinion. I don't know enough about this preacher to know if a Lamborghini is inconsistent with his ministry.
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Post by Stammerhead on Dec 15, 2018 19:53:20 GMT
I don’t think there’s really anything wrong but they sure spouted a heapload of shit while defending the purchase. “My hubby is a hard worker,” she wrote. “He worked his whole life and he saved to bless his wife.”  |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 15, 2018 21:22:49 GMT
What you are basically doing is that you are interpreting Christian religion yourself and alleging that a certain Christian is being unethical based on your interpretation of the Christian religion. As a supporting evidence, you might cite many Christian preachers who would tend to agree that preachers should live a modest lifestyle. But that still means you are denying the Christian you are alleging is being at odds with his religion of interpreting his religion on his own. Recently there was a case of a Catholic priest living in a luxurious house while at the same time he is a person who had frequently spoken against living a life of luxury. It would make sense to complain against that sort of a person because that sort of a person is at conflict with what he says or preaches or believes. This preacher (the pastor in question) may interpret his religion differently. Trying to make people emotional by saying what Jesus would have done may feel like a very nice thing to do but it also means you are interpreting their religion and holding them responsible for not following your interpretation of their religion. There isn't any universal interpretation of Christianity. A Christians way of interpreting his religion and how much he should emulate Christ may be very different. Especially in religious schools in which "faith" is all that is needed for salvation and in which work/action are not necessary. Yes, I agree with you. While not a Christian, I am siding with a particular interpretation of how a Christian leader (a pastor in this case) should see his responsibilities to his flock. But there is also the "Gospel of Prosperity" which holds a different opinion. I don't know enough about this preacher to know if a Lamborghini is inconsistent with his ministry.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 15, 2018 21:27:17 GMT
Looks there's more nuance to this than you realize. On the one hand, yeah Jesus would probably prefer to he donate the money to help feed the poor. On the other hand, Lamborgini execs need to pay their mansion mortgages and cocaine habit. You really gotta look at both sides of the argument.
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Post by maya55555 on Dec 15, 2018 21:33:49 GMT
Well you can NOT blame that on the Roman Catholic Church
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 15, 2018 21:44:03 GMT
IsapopThat's because I'm making it up. I mentioned in the other derailed thread that I was letting you and other idiots win the argument. Did you not read that? I'm not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, but I figured if I'm going to be identified as one, I might as well say I am to get conversation back on track and away from me. I assume it won;t actually change your "Derp!but JW's believe this or that so how can you say this or that?" but it should entertain me for the next few days. People who focus on my beliefs usually can't think of something to add to the actual conversation. But we don't have any info on what damage this has done to the flock. This is you being concerned about something that doesn't concern you. Were you about to join his church or something? What should his wife be driving in order to avoid stumbling his flock? A Prius. Materialism is not stuff, it's the desire for it that supersedes more important things such as worship. Nothing about the story indicates this is happening. To be clear, it may be happening, but it also may be a case of a rich guy buying a rich person car.
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