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Post by movieliker on Jan 25, 2019 19:58:59 GMT
S2 E5 All the World is Birthday Cake
One of the worst episodes yet.
SPOILERS !!!
First of all, the premise is stupid. That they would just go down and party with a new civilization without doing any due diligence - finding out what their laws, restrictions and risks are - is foolish. No wonder they get in trouble.
Secondly, the prime directive doesn't allow them to extract two of their crew imprisoned just because of their birthdays. But it allows them to trick a whole civilization into thinking there is a fake star that demands they realign their whole belief system?
Super stupid.
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Post by DarkManX on Jan 25, 2019 20:29:20 GMT
S2 E5 All the World is Birthday Cake One of the worst episodes yet. SPOILERS !!! First of all, the premise is stupid. That they would just go down and party with a new civilization without doing any due diligence - finding out what their laws, restrictions and risks are - is foolish. No wonder they get in trouble. Secondly, the prime directive doesn't allow them to extract two of their crew imprisoned just because of their birthdays. But it allows them to trick them into thinking there is a fake star that demands they realign their whole belief system? Super stupid. It is odd they'd just go down there with no foreknowledge of Regorian customs. In Majority Rule we see that the Union sends people into civilizations to blend in and find out more about them. However, I also think it's unreasonable for the Regorians to act they way they did about people who don't know them well. A belief system around astrology is interesting, but hard to swallow. It's hard for me to fathom that one group of any sign hasn't screwed up badly over the centuries and caused strife amongst their people. Loved Ted Danson as the admiral.
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Post by movieliker on Jan 25, 2019 21:42:27 GMT
S2 E5 All the World is Birthday Cake One of the worst episodes yet. SPOILERS !!! First of all, the premise is stupid. That they would just go down and party with a new civilization without doing any due diligence - finding out what their laws, restrictions and risks are - is foolish. No wonder they get in trouble. Secondly, the prime directive doesn't allow them to extract two of their crew imprisoned just because of their birthdays. But it allows them to trick a whole civilization into thinking there is a fake star that demands they realign their whole belief system? Super stupid. It is odd they'd just go down there with no foreknowledge of Regorian customs. In Majority Rule we see that the Union sends people into civilizations to blend in and find out more about them. However, I also think it's unreasonable for the Regorians to act they way they did about people who don't know them well. A belief system around astrology is interesting, but hard to swallow. It's hard for me to fathom that one group of any sign hasn't screwed up badly over the centuries and caused strife amongst their people. Loved Ted Danson as the admiral. If I am not mistaken, they did the same thing on Star Trek (TOS) and The Next Generation. Remember the episode where crew members were arrested and sentenced to death for walking on the grass? They do this all the time. Not only is there no due diligence. But there is no protection. No guns, phasers, security, etc. So unbelievably naive. And we are supposed to be the advanced civilization? Stupid.
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Post by movieliker on Jan 26, 2019 6:33:13 GMT
I enjoyed watching the episode, but at the same time I could see every stupid thing in it. Might be the worst written episode of the series so far. So much wrong with this episode, where do you even begin? Hopefully this was a fluke and things get back on track. And I'll reiterate my feelings about the new girl. I don't like her or her stupid looking hair. Could be my imagination. But it seems the two lead characters were embarrassed to be in this episode. With the uncomfortable smiles they had on their faces in the last scene (the birthday dance).
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Post by maxwellperfect on Jan 28, 2019 15:25:44 GMT
Well, I liked that "horoscope" episode. In science fiction, I prefer an original concept to realism, and realism means even less on a dramedy like "The Orville."
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 28, 2019 17:29:31 GMT
Hopefully the new girl will get better but in this episode it looks like they replaced a total sweetheart with a total witch.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 1, 2019 11:18:12 GMT
I thought tonight's episode (season 2 episode 6 "A Happy Refrain") was --- no, I don't normally say things like this but --- "cute".
I don't think Clair is good looking. But I agree with DREAM that she is a good actress.
Much better than last week's episode.
(I cannot believe all that equipment on the bridge wasn't damaged by the rainfall. Everything was soaking wet.)
And I like the new girl with the sideways ponytail.
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Post by Catman on Feb 1, 2019 14:24:31 GMT
While watching, Catman was continually reminded of the 'In Theory' episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, in which Michele Scarabelli played a woman who fell in love with Data.
Thanks to Penny Johnson Jerald's performance, this was far more convincing. She's come a long was since she was Benjamin Sisko's one-dimensional love interest on Star Trek: Deep Space 9.
And who doesn't love Singin' in the Rain?
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Post by movieliker on Feb 16, 2019 2:03:14 GMT
Episode 7 "Deflectors"
Another good Orville episode. I like the side ponytail girl (new security officer). Although while she looks good in her uniform, she looks like she may be super skinny.
All those Maclins look the same to me.
Political Symbolism? The Maclins are the liberal view of conservatives? What do you think?
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Feb 16, 2019 9:00:01 GMT
Episode 7 "Deflectors" Another good Orville episode. I like the side ponytail girl (new security officer). Although while she looks good in her uniform, she looks like she may be super skinny. All those Maclins look the same to me. Political Symbolism? The Maclins are the liberal view of conservatives? What do you think? I have trouble telling them apart too... The thought that occurred to me at the end of the episode when the Captain said something like "I don't like their culture, I wish we didn't need them in the Union" was that it was a reference to Saudi Arabia - an ally with some vile values.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 16, 2019 14:49:29 GMT
Episode 7 "Deflectors" Another good Orville episode. I like the side ponytail girl (new security officer). Although while she looks good in her uniform, she looks like she may be super skinny. All those Maclins look the same to me. Political Symbolism? The Maclins are the liberal view of conservatives? What do you think? I have trouble telling them apart too... The thought that occurred to me at the end of the episode when the Captain said something like "I don't like their culture, I wish we didn't need them in the Union" was that it was a reference to Saudi Arabia - an ally with some vile values. The only Maclin I could tell apart from the others was the one who liked girls. Because he was taller and had a different face. When they were trying to identify the shooter, I couldn't tell if it was Bortus, his partner (husband) or the captain from the other ship. They all look the same to me. Well I guess Saudi Arabia is super conservative.
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Post by DarkManX on Feb 16, 2019 23:04:28 GMT
Episode 7 "Deflectors" Another good Orville episode. I like the side ponytail girl (new security officer). Although while she looks good in her uniform, she looks like she may be super skinny. All those Maclins look the same to me. Political Symbolism? The Maclins are the liberal view of conservatives? What do you think? Liked the episode a lot. I do like how it ended too, despite the ending being very downer. All Moclins do look alike. I thought Bortus was the "killer" at first until they said it was Klyden. I assumed it was a take on homosexuals and they problems they still face in society. Though it being a jab at Saudi Arabia isn't out of the question.
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Post by thornberry on Feb 17, 2019 3:59:02 GMT
Bortus and Klyden are a troubled couple. They remind me of the Honeymooners. One of these days I expect to hear, "To the moon, Bortus!"
This is the second time the doctor has fallen for someone outside her species. Then Alara. Now Bortus' ex is doing the same thing. This stuff is getting old.
The story of the planet whose society believed in astrology was good, though. We need more like that.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Feb 17, 2019 8:22:58 GMT
Episode 7 "Deflectors" Another good Orville episode. I like the side ponytail girl (new security officer). Although while she looks good in her uniform, she looks like she may be super skinny. All those Maclins look the same to me. Political Symbolism? The Maclins are the liberal view of conservatives? What do you think? Liked the episode a lot. I do like how it ended too, despite the ending being very downer. All Moclins do look alike. I thought Bortus was the "killer" at first until they said it was Klyden. I assumed it was a take on homosexuals and they problems they still face in society. Though it being a jab at Saudi Arabia isn't out of the question. I think it is both. Mostly it is about how absurd it is to judge people for their sexual orientation, but that one line by the captain at the end (I wish I hadn't erased the episode, so that I could quote it verbatim) sounded like a jab at Saudi Arabia.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 17, 2019 20:18:56 GMT
Bortus and Klyden are a troubled couple. They remind me of the Honeymooners. One of these days I expect to hear, "To the moon, Bortus!" This is the second time the doctor has fallen for someone outside her species. Then Alara. Now Bortus' ex is doing the same thing. This stuff is getting old. The story of the planet whose society believed in astrology was good, though. We need more like that. I agree this was the second time falling for a different species was the issue for a show plot. And Bortus gets a lot of face time on this show. I didn't expect him to be a star of this show. But I disagree about the astrology episode. If you are talking about episode 5 "All the World is Birthday Cake", I thought that episode was the worst episode yet. Why would they go down and party with a newly discovered species of humanoids on their planet without doing any due diligence? Their prime directive doesn't allow them to extract crew members who are imprisoned for having the wrong birthday date? But it allows them to fool a whole race there is a new star that forces then to rearrange their whole belief system? Stupid.
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Post by thornberry on Feb 18, 2019 4:31:20 GMT
Bortus and Klyden are a troubled couple. They remind me of the Honeymooners. One of these days I expect to hear, "To the moon, Bortus!" This is the second time the doctor has fallen for someone outside her species. Then Alara. Now Bortus' ex is doing the same thing. This stuff is getting old. The story of the planet whose society believed in astrology was good, though. We need more like that. I agree this was the second time falling for a different species was the issue for a show plot. And Bortus gets a lot of face time on this show. I didn't expect him to be a star of this show. But I disagree about the astrology episode. If you are talking about episode 5 "All the World is Birthday Cake", I thought that episode was the worst episode yet. Why would they go down and party with a newly discovered species of humanoids on their planet without doing any due diligence? Their prime directive doesn't allow them to extract crew members who are imprisoned for having the wrong birthday date? But it allows them to fool a whole race there is a new star that forces then to rearrange their whole belief system? Stupid. The fourth time falling for a different species. The doctor twice. Alara being pursued by the alien with the big head (crew member whose name I forget). Bortus's ex and the new security woman (Talla?). Yes, the crew violated the prime directive in the birthday episode. But I found the it entertaining and it wasn't obvious at first what was going on, so I liked that. It reminded me of 60's Star Trek.
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Post by thornberry on Feb 18, 2019 4:40:54 GMT
Liked the episode a lot. I do like how it ended too, despite the ending being very downer. All Moclins do look alike. I thought Bortus was the "killer" at first until they said it was Klyden. I assumed it was a take on homosexuals and they problems they still face in society. Though it being a jab at Saudi Arabia isn't out of the question. I think it is both. Mostly it is about how absurd it is to judge people for their sexual orientation, but that one line by the captain at the end (I wish I hadn't erased the episode, so that I could quote it verbatim) sounded like a jab at Saudi Arabia. Bortus' planet is a lot different from earth and it makes me wonder why anyone is surprised every time Bortus gets into trouble. Did anyone even bothered to learn about his planet's culture before taking him on board? I'm not sure if it's a specific ally like Saudi Arabia or just multiculturalism in general they are trying to show the difficulties of, getting along with each other on a ship when you come from very different cultures. Definitely they are making statements about sexual orientation that apply to things we are struggling with today on earth.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 18, 2019 7:52:37 GMT
I agree this was the second time falling for a different species was the issue for a show plot. And Bortus gets a lot of face time on this show. I didn't expect him to be a star of this show. But I disagree about the astrology episode. If you are talking about episode 5 "All the World is Birthday Cake", I thought that episode was the worst episode yet. Why would they go down and party with a newly discovered species of humanoids on their planet without doing any due diligence? Their prime directive doesn't allow them to extract crew members who are imprisoned for having the wrong birthday date? But it allows them to fool a whole race there is a new star that forces then to rearrange their whole belief system? Stupid. The fourth time falling for a different species. The doctor twice. Alara being pursued by the alien with the big head (crew member whose name I forget). Bortus's ex and the new security woman (Talla?). Yes, the crew violated the prime directive in the birthday episode. But I found the it entertaining and it wasn't obvious at first what was going on, so I liked that. It reminded me of 60's Star Trek. They didn't know anything about that new race of people. They didn't know their customs, or laws, or beliefs. No surprise they got in trouble. When you think about it, just meeting those people was a violation of their prime directive. I always thought the prime directive on previous Star Treks was kinda stupid. I understand not wanting to change the direction of the evolution of primitive species. But not drawing the line at saving your own crew from their ignorance, was and is stupid.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Feb 18, 2019 13:29:07 GMT
The fourth time falling for a different species. The doctor twice. Alara being pursued by the alien with the big head (crew member whose name I forget). Bortus's ex and the new security woman (Talla?). Yes, the crew violated the prime directive in the birthday episode. But I found the it entertaining and it wasn't obvious at first what was going on, so I liked that. It reminded me of 60's Star Trek. They didn't know anything about that new race of people. They didn't know their customs, or laws, or beliefs. No surprise they got in trouble. When you think about it, just meeting those people was a violation of their prime directive. No, that was very clearly addressed in the episode. The Orville received a transmission from the planet asking "is there anybody out there?", which meant that, according to their prime directive, they were allowed to establish first contact.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 18, 2019 18:41:11 GMT
They didn't know anything about that new race of people. They didn't know their customs, or laws, or beliefs. No surprise they got in trouble. When you think about it, just meeting those people was a violation of their prime directive. No, that was very clearly addressed in the episode. The Orville received a transmission from the planet asking "is there anybody out there?", which meant that, according to their prime directive, they were allowed to establish first contact. Establishing first contact means replying, "Yes, we are out here." Not going there with 4, 6, 8 of your most valuable crew members and blindly rolling the dice.
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