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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 16:35:47 GMT
I like the cast. I like the production and I even like the uniforms. The ship is very cool. I am probably one of the few who even likes the song. The stories, however, were not that great. There were a few interesting episodes, especially the season ending one, but many more were forgettable. I like it enough to want to watch more but I give it 6/10.
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Post by ant-mac on Jan 1, 2019 18:09:52 GMT
3/5.
All things considered, not too bad at all. I didn't really care much for the rushed nature of the pilot, but once that was out of the way, it seemed to settle down reasonable well.
I also felt it was a bit premature to intro the Temporal Cold War in the first season, as I feel that would've been best left until season 2, to allow the regular cast and TV series as a whole to find their feet and fill out their roles.
Oh well, you can't have everything...
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Post by ant-mac on Jan 1, 2019 18:11:08 GMT
I like the cast. I like the production and I even like the uniforms. The ship is very cool. I am probably one of the few who even likes the song. The stories, however, were not that great. There were a few interesting episodes, especially the season ending one, but many more were forgettable. I like it enough to want to watch more but I give it 6/10. The 1st half of Season 1 (about the war with the Klingons) wasn't that interesting, but the 2nd half of the season (about the mirror universe and Georgiou being the Emperor ) was more interesting. But the season finale was disappointing given the buildup from the previous episodes. The trailer for Season 2 looks good though. What are you talking about?
None of that was in season 1 - OR ANY OTHER SEASON FOR THAT MATTER - of STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jan 1, 2019 18:37:42 GMT
The 1st half of Season 1 (about the war with the Klingons) wasn't that interesting, but the 2nd half of the season (about the mirror universe and Georgiou being the Emperor ) was more interesting. But the season finale was disappointing given the buildup from the previous episodes. The trailer for Season 2 looks good though. What are you talking about? He's NOT paying attention... and is talking about STAR TREK: DISCOVERY... As you said, This discussion is about STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE.
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Post by ant-mac on Jan 1, 2019 18:44:32 GMT
What are you talking about? He's NOT paying attention... and is talking about STAR TREK: DISCOVERY... As you said, This discussion is about STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE. Yes, I just added that to accentuate his lack of attention to the subject.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jan 1, 2019 19:08:51 GMT
I grew up watching Star Trek: The Next Generation, and it will always be one of my favorite shows...
But one thing that always bothered me about TNG, DS9, & VOY... the shows set in the 24th Century... was how "perfect" everything was...
Humans rarely did anything wrong... The technology could solve almost any problem... And the Enterprise looked like some massive hotel on the inside... Even meeting new Alien Species & Encountering spacial anomalies was just another day at the office...
I found it hard to "relate" to...
Encountering the Borg was one of the highlights because it was something that, in a way, reset everything to ZERO... It was a real challenge to deal with, on every level...
With Season 1 of Enterprise, Everything was new. It was the first Starship. Heading out into the Galaxy. They had to learn how to deal with everything. No Prime directive. Technology was just starting to be developed. Limited weapons. It really was manned by a crew that was the Best Of The Best... and that still was not always enough...
The Enterprise had to return "home" to get weapons installed to deal with hostile aliens. Something that Picard never had to deal with...
Baseball Caps, Sunglasses, Pockets, Archer threatening to knock T'Pol on her "ASS", and a ship built like a submarine... Are we sure this wasn't a show set in the Early 21st Century?
It sure seemed like it could be in our near future... one that all of us might be able to experience.
I also loved how they were able to tone down the Technobabble too...
"Warp 7"?
WTF does that mean?
"Warp 4.5"... "NEPTUNE AND BACK IN SIX MINUTES!"
Now that is something I can start to understand!
The "Temporal Cold War"?... Yes, I wasn't a fan either....
I too agree, that is something which shouldn't have been brought up, until the series was more underway... And I still think it would have been too much...
In my opinion, it was a great show... and I too, liked the theme song...
Personally, I preferred the earlier seasons to the later ones... But I enjoyed the entire series.
Season 1: 8/10
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 2:09:00 GMT
6/10
Mostly not good. The ship was wrong for the time - clearly the producers wanted something that looked "Trek", with the saucer and nacelles, but ships of this time should have been more Daedalus inspired, if not an actual Daedalus class. I'd have been happy with something like the Pacific 201 version of the Daedalus.
I'd also have preferred more primitive tech. The Enterprise version of primitive tech was to call things by different names but have them behave exactly the same. And sometimes the different names were only slightly different. So no phasers, but phase cannon. No shields, but polarised hull plating that behaves exactly like shields right to "Hull plating at 50%!" I don't even know what that's supposed to mean.
Why not just make the ship heavily armoured? Lasers for long range fighting, but they don't do a lot of damage. Missiles with nuclear warheads for closer range work, kind of like submarine warfare with one hit, one kill. Make it noticeably different and less capable.
And they talk about how the ship is slower all the time, yet it still crosses large distances in whatever time it needs to take. Most notably getting all the way back to Earth in (apparently) a few days after the Xindi attack, after it took them like two years to get that far out in the first place.
Anyway, I know not everyone is bothered by technical stuff like that, but it bugs me. I did appreciate their relying on shuttles far more and not really trusting the transporters, though, so there's that.
Outside of tech stuff, the characters were mostly weak. I get that they were supposed to be still on the learning curve and all, but geez, there are limits. And I didn't care for the asshole version of the Vulcans that we saw in Enterprise.
The stories varied, as usual, but there weren't that many real standouts in season 1. They ranged from bad to okay, basically. The Temporal Cold War was a bad idea, and it soon became obvious that there was no real thinking behind it, they just kind of threw it in there and hoped they could turn it into something good as they went along. No surprise to learn after the fact that the producers never had any clue who "Future Guy" really was, and in fact never even had a name in mind for the character.
Positives... the actors were generally good (the guy who played Mayweather was dreadful, though). The special effects were almost universally excellent. I liked Phlox, and I liked the weird alien things they would drop in about him from time to time.
And compared to what CBS is putting out these days, Enterprise was a damn masterpiece.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 2, 2019 2:23:14 GMT
7/10
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Post by lordquesterjones on Jan 2, 2019 15:21:56 GMT
I could only give it 1/10 as you didn't have an 'Utter Shyte' option in your Poll.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jan 3, 2019 22:35:16 GMT
I remember not liking it very much when it first aired. When I rewatched the whole series years later, I liked it a little better.
I still think it is a shame that the series was cancelled just as it was becoming as good as previous Star Treks.
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Post by bluerisk on Jan 5, 2019 0:18:04 GMT
1/10
Not canon.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jan 5, 2019 0:30:02 GMT
Saying that doesn't make it true.
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Post by bluerisk on Jan 5, 2019 1:58:05 GMT
Saying that doesn't make it true. Yeah, Nazi Lizards, temporal war, the Xindi etc. pp. are canon...
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Post by MCDemuth on Jan 5, 2019 3:03:48 GMT
Saying that doesn't make it true. Yeah, Nazi Lizards, temporal war, the Xindi etc. pp. are canon... Every show, not just Enterprise, had canon problems... Even the shows themselves contradicted themselves eventually, including the Original Trek... Hell, the original trek, even contradicted historical scientific fact... I just re-watched "Court Martial", for the half dozenth time. We knew all too well, that in 1966, that objects could orbit the Earth for months, if not years, before it's orbit would decay... and yet, a 23rd century starship, in standard orbit, would start to deorbit a planet, in minutes, if the engines were turned off? Talk about laughable! Sulu was freezing to death on a planet, because the transporters couldn't be him up... And yet, no shuttles, no probes, no long rope, to get him some hot coffee, blankets, winter clothes, or additional phasers to heat rocks with? And this show is what you base your whole CANON thing on? ROTFWL! The biggest problem with ENTERPRISE was that it was a prequel show, and that it contradicted your expectations and nostalgia. When a show can't keep itself straight over a 4 to 7 year period, then no one can keep perfect records of events that took place 100 or 200 years earlier... FYI, While the Ferengi, Borg, & Romulan, episodes (A big argument against Enterprise) bent canon severely, it didn't break it... The Ferengi never mentioned their species, The Borg never said: "We Are The BORG", and the crew didn't have visual communications with the Romulans... Did you know that 7of9 of Voyager, was assimilated by the Borg, BEFORE the first episode of TNG, and long before Q introduced the Enterprise to the Borg? Where is the hate for Voyager, for contradicting TNG? Star Trek is famous for all kinds of bad record keeping, and Time Travel... Who knows what really happened over the years... Now take a look at what DISCOVERY is doing... #1 on the list... Spock has an adopted sister? The biggest Starfleet Mutineer in history... And no mention of her, before now? And the list goes on...
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Post by bluerisk on Jan 5, 2019 11:07:24 GMT
Yeah, Nazi Lizards, temporal war, the Xindi etc. pp. are canon... Every show, not just Enterprise, had canon problems... Even the shows themselves contradicted themselves eventually, including the Original Trek... Hell, the original trek, even contradicted historical scientific fact... I just re-watched "Court Martial", for the half dozenth time. We knew all too well, that in 1966, that objects could orbit the Earth for months, if not years, before it's orbit would decay... and yet, a 23rd century starship, in standard orbit, would start to deorbit a planet, in minutes, if the engines were turned off? Talk about laughable! Sulu was freezing to death on a planet, because the transporters couldn't be him up... And yet, no shuttles, no probes, no long rope, to get him some hot coffee, blankets, winter clothes, or additional phasers to heat rocks with? And this show is what you base your whole CANON thing on? ROTFWL! The biggest problem with ENTERPRISE was that it was a prequel show, and that it contradicted your expectations and nostalgia. When a show can't keep itself straight over a 4 to 7 year period, then no one can keep perfect records of events that took place 100 or 200 years earlier... FYI, While the Ferengi, Borg, & Romulan, episodes (A big argument against Enterprise) bent canon severely, it didn't break it... The Ferengi never mentioned their species, The Borg never said: "We Are The BORG", and the crew didn't have visual communications with the Romulans... Did you know that 7of9 of Voyager, was assimilated by the Borg, BEFORE the first episode of TNG, and long before Q introduced the Enterprise to the Borg? Where is the hate for Voyager, for contradicting TNG? Star Trek is famous for all kinds of bad record keeping, and Time Travel... Who knows what really happened over the years... Now take a look at what DISCOVERY is doing... #1 on the list... Spock has an adopted sister? The biggest Starfleet Mutineer in history... And no mention of her, before now? And the list goes on.ha The entire story arc, the temporale war with the Suliban (or whatever) was fabricated. Why going into the past of ST if you have no idea what you want to tell? Why not the war period with the Romulans...you could do a military show like Space: Above and Beyond /Band of Brothers, show the political and diplomatic aspect of the foundation of the federation; dark like in House of Cards, or more bright like in Babylon 5. And tell - ok, with some freedoms* - the canon/history of the founding era of the federation. No Suliban, no Borg (c'mon, even today we have the technology to identify a mere face within a crowd), no Xindi, no time travel, no alternate timelines, no Nazi Lizards. I never understood and continue to do so, why they don't went further on the timeline... *according to canon they never saw each other, a strange and idiotic premise. Concerning the limited technology of the 60s it might seem reasonable...like submarine crew who never saw the face of the enemy, but with the modern technology where video transmission is next to nothing (=> youtube, skype), it makes absolutely no sense. Also ground troops would face each other. But we know, that even the federation is lying and conducts cover up operation (=> Pegasus project). So why is it ok to say direct contact with Romulans is ok, with the Borg absolutely not?! Because the first would base on a common agreement (=> treaty of Algeron - which could include extra accords which are not shared with the public). And both sides have interests to abide to these secret accords. The Borg however do not negotiate, and when they detect a potential target, they go for it. And with their far more advanced technology they would detect the humans first and thus know about them. And even if it were only humanity who know about them, Star Fleet hadn't been entirely clueless when they got hit the first time. It was no other then the almighty Q who introduced humanity to the Borgs, as unknown threat. And Q is even beyond section 31. There is no cover up explanation in the face of an entity like Q. So either the Borg had been long before on our doorsteps, or we wouldn't be surprised to encounter them, at least Star Fleet Command, and on top it doesn't work with Q. Most of Enterprise dealt with races, events and story arcs which have nothing to do with the canon and are excused with alternate timelines and universes, and that is just the lazy-man's way to put the canon aside because you have no idea to tell a good story within the canon. And then you have fan boys like you...defending them; but don't cry murder, if they go further and further down the road, and now they have made it even about a political agenda. I stop Enterprise because I was bored with this time travel crap. Time travel is in nine out of ten the jumping shark. The moment when they declare their artistic bankruptcy. You foremost seem to confuse simply errors, plot holes and technical implausible things with breaking with canon. canon is the history and lore, not the scientific evaluation or plausibility of a plot tools. So yes: The biggest problem with ENTERPRISE was that it was a prequel show, and that it contradicted your expectations and nostalgia. Not expectations and nostalgia but the canon, the history and lore of Strak Trek: who did what when. Imperator Caesar Divi filius Augustus was born on 23 September 63 BC: Who: Imperator Caesar Divi filius Augustus - better known as Augustus, first emperor of the Roam empire what: was born when: 23 september 63 BC He had one daughter, Julia, now adding an adopted son (and Augustus was the adopted son of Gaius Iulius Caesar) who even plays a crucial role in the history of the Roman Empire would not fit with our historical records - our canon, our history. That's it is about. If Roman soldiers wear a piece of armour that was not invented then, is not breaking the canon, but it is an inaccuracy (a clear error) due to the lack of historical knowledge or of being careless, but as long as this piece of armour is plausibly within the range of technology, it not breaking the canon. A battle-suit with force fields etc. pp. that requires are far advanced technology (and thus a century long time-line of technological inventions, our technological evolution), however, is. In Si-Fi (Fi like fiction) is not that technology is not plausible to our knowledge, but that is is a key technology and still has never been introduced before, is not part of the introduced canon e.g. history of the created universe. If you introduced suddenly nukes in the era of the crusades: where does the technology come from if these people lack the technology that pre-dates this technology (you can't build a nuke if you lack the technology to mine and process uranium), and why have they stopped using it, if it is an absolute game changer?! And why is their no written records about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 18:51:13 GMT
I quite enjoyed it. An 8 for me. Not perfect by far, but very enjoyable, good cast, interesting ideas. Vulcans are not perfect, at all, humans are trying to find theit way. A shame the show lost itself later on, but I had very good hopes for it after season 1.
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