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Post by forca84 on Jan 5, 2019 20:50:46 GMT
Well... Have at it folks. youtu.be/ogJRIctRAFcWhat's up with Hillary Duff's accent in this? She sounds like Audrey Hepburn.This of course comes on the heels of "Once upon a time in Hollywood" and an upcoming movie about Sharon starring Kate Bosworth.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 5, 2019 21:03:05 GMT
That's about as callous a title-concept as I could imagine it to be.
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Post by simest on Jan 6, 2019 1:36:15 GMT
It looks so sensationalized and even exploitative. I'm sure the relatives of the victims who were ruthlessly violated and slaughtered that night are really looking forward to those they lost being violated again to form part of this piece of Horror fiction entertainment.
It also looks it's like going the usual jaded route of presenting Manson like some mystic, supernatural, fright figure rather than what he was - a bitter, nutty (but admittedly cunning) 5-foot ex-con who simply exploited young impressionable minds at a point in time where drugs, free love and defying authority were the in-thing and a social misfit like himself suddenly found he was surrounded by a younger generation of kids with like-minded grievances against society. A situation he then manipulated for his own gratification.
I really think enough has been done on this story in films already. In fact, too much. This project looks like turning the story into a typical modern day Horror Film - right down to it's brazen yet still crappy title that shamelessly puts Tate's name right out there to promote itself. It also looks to be fabricating a lot of bollocks about Tate having premonitions of her death..........very crude indeed. The reality of what happened back in 69 is that an 8-month pregnant woman and her guests suffered a terrifying ordeal and a merciless, horrifying death that doesn't bear thinking about.
I for one just don't have the appetite to see it all play-acted with a lot of fictionalized horror cliches as a prelude, then the night itself re-created as the payoff.
Nah......however well this performs on it's release it won't sell a ticket in my direction.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 7, 2019 0:57:35 GMT
Seems in poor taste.
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Post by theshape25 on Jan 7, 2019 21:45:24 GMT
It also looks to be fabricating a lot of bollocks about Tate having premonitions of her death..........very crude indeed. That is very odd that they would do that. It also gave the impression that Manson stalked Tate - showing up at her house, leaving tapes, etc. To my knowledge none of that stuff happened. I know Manson did show up looking for Terry Melcher, who previously lived there, but that's the only time he was at the house while Tate lived there prior to the murders that I know of. I could be wrong, but to me it looks like they're trying to portray Manson as a Michael Myersesque boogeyman. It also looked like they may have included real crime scene photos. They quickly flashed photos of Steven Parent and Abigail Folder and they looked like the real thing, which probably isn't too favorable with their respective families. I already read what Sharon's younger sister thinks of the film and its not very surprising that she isn't in favor of it.
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Post by simest on Jan 7, 2019 22:07:45 GMT
It also looks to be fabricating a lot of bollocks about Tate having premonitions of her death..........very crude indeed. That is very odd that they would do that. It also gave the impression that Manson stalked Tate - showing up at her house, leaving tapes, etc. To my knowledge none of that stuff happened. I know Manson did show up looking for Terry Melcher, who previously lived there, but that's the only time he was at the house while Tate lived there prior to the murders that I know of. I could be wrong, but to me it looks like they're trying to portray Manson as a Michael Myersesque boogeyman. It also looked like they may have included real crime scene photos. They quickly flashed photos of Steven Parent and Abigail Folder and they looked like the real thing, which probably isn't too favorable with their respective families. I already read what Sharon's younger sister thinks of the film and its not very surprising that she isn't in favor of it. I did think that when I saw the crime scene images flash by too - they look genuine..........but then I convinced myself that they must be very detailed recreations, carefully restaged with the slightly grainy, washed out colouring to look as authentic as possible. If they are the actual crime scene photos then the decision to include them shows a wanton disregard for the victims' memory, contempt for their dignity and is utterly unforgivable. I really doubt and sincerely hope they're not genuine.
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Post by theshape25 on Jan 7, 2019 22:24:50 GMT
That is very odd that they would do that. It also gave the impression that Manson stalked Tate - showing up at her house, leaving tapes, etc. To my knowledge none of that stuff happened. I know Manson did show up looking for Terry Melcher, who previously lived there, but that's the only time he was at the house while Tate lived there prior to the murders that I know of. I could be wrong, but to me it looks like they're trying to portray Manson as a Michael Myersesque boogeyman. It also looked like they may have included real crime scene photos. They quickly flashed photos of Steven Parent and Abigail Folder and they looked like the real thing, which probably isn't too favorable with their respective families. I already read what Sharon's younger sister thinks of the film and its not very surprising that she isn't in favor of it. I did think that when I saw the crime scene images flash by too - they look genuine..........but then I convinced myself that they must be very detailed recreations, carefully restaged with the slightly grainy, washed out colouring to look as authentic as possible. If they are the actual crime scene photos then the decision to include them shows a wanton disregard for the victims' memory, contempt for their dignity and is utterly unforgivable. I really doubt and sincerely hope they're not genuine. I hope not as well. I caught myself starting to pause it on Foldger's picture to see if it was real, but I quickly changed my mind. I have seen the real picture of her outside on the lawn, and it's something I'd rather not see again. Like you, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 23:55:14 GMT
It looks so sensationalized and even exploitative. I'm sure the relatives of the victims who were ruthlessly violated and slaughtered that night are really looking forward to those they lost being violated again to form part of this piece of Horror fiction entertainment. It also looks it's like going the usual jaded route of presenting Manson like some mystic, supernatural, fright figure rather than what he was - a bitter, nutty (but admittedly cunning) 5-foot ex-con who simply exploited young impressionable minds at a point in time where drugs, free love and defying authority were the in-thing and a social misfit like himself suddenly found he was surrounded by a younger generation of kids with like-minded grievances against society. A situation he then manipulated for his own gratification. I really think enough has been done on this story in films already. In fact, too much. This project looks like turning the story into a typical modern day Horror Film - right down to it's brazen yet still crappy title that shamelessly puts Tate's name right out there to promote itself. It also looks to be fabricating a lot of bollocks about Tate having premonitions of her death..........very crude indeed. The reality of what happened back in 69 is that an 8-month pregnant woman and her guests suffered a terrifying ordeal and a merciless, horrifying death that doesn't bear thinking about. I for one just don't have the appetite to see it all play-acted with a lot of fictionalized horror cliches as a prelude, then the night itself re-created as the payoff. Nah......however well this performs on it's release it won't sell a ticket in my direction. ITA with all of this. It feels like they are glorifying Manson by turning him into a horror villain. And WTF with "meet Charlie"? We're being cutesy with one of the most horrific cult leaders in the twentieth century? Fuck off. I won't even watch this for free, and hope it bombs at the box office.
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Post by simest on Jan 8, 2019 18:12:49 GMT
"ITA with all of this. It feels like they are glorifying Manson by turning him into a horror villain. And WTF with "meet Charlie"? We're being cutesy with one of the most horrific cult leaders in the twentieth century? Fuck off. I won't even watch this for free, and hope it bombs at the box office."
Yes - it reminds me of how the Elm Street trailers would present Freddy back in the day. There was this celebrity element to the character that made him the star attraction and he was the life and soul of the party.
This was fine due to the trivial nature of a fantasy based character in a Horror fiction franchise. Presenting someone like Manson in a similar light - given the lives he helped destroy - shows how hopelessly misguided the makers of this must be.
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Post by forca84 on Jan 8, 2019 18:35:25 GMT
There's a ton of inaccuracy that annoys the hell out of me... This crime has been so thoroughly researched and exhausted. Why add filler? It's horrific enough.
Jay Sebring wasn't camp. Nor was he gay. He and Tate were briefly involved. He challenged the stereotype that only Gays were Hairdressers. He was Tate's confidant.
Manson and his followers never stalked the house or left tapes of subliminal songs.
Tate or Polanski never met Charlie from what I read. She saw him from a distance as her photographer shooed him away.
To even suggest Folger etc. were involved or knew about Manson or his followers is just really in poor taste.
Lastly while it's true Tate was an army brat living in Italy etc. even in London with Polanski... She had the faintest of accents in interviews. Not a thick British accent.
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Post by theshape25 on Jan 8, 2019 19:22:54 GMT
What happens if the film does well at the box office? Will there be a sequel that picks up right after a la Halloween II that tells a fabricated tale of the LaBianca murders? Then a prequel that involves an embellished account of what happened to Gary Hinman?
I admit that the trailer looks pretty grizzly and the movie could very well be frightning. The story of someone having premonitions of their own demise and then being stalked and taunted by a maniac sounds like the basis for a good horror movie. Why not make it an original story rather than attach it to a tragedy that has already been talked about thousands of times over a half century?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 10, 2019 16:09:26 GMT
I can't say that I really disagree with any of the sentiment here about this all being in very poor taste... However... I do find it very interesting. Why is this story off limits when other real life horror stories are not? Is just in the way the material is handled? Obviously the story has been done, directly and indirectly, relatively respectfully and in crappy exploitation style. Is it because it's overdone?
All these same things could be said for the Jack the Ripper case, and I don't think I've ever heard anybody complain when a genre movie is made based on that story. Those victims were real people too, and there was a fun time travel movie made about it, among many other films of varying seriousness. Is it because there's more of a time distance? Will making a film about the Manson murders that takes a genre or exploitation approach seem less distasteful in 20 years, or 50, or 100?
There seems to be a certain unique fascination that keeps people coming back to this story, and keeps others from being able to tolerate it not being done the right way. The same doesn't seem to be able to be said for other serial killers, or the holocaust, or slavery. Or maybe the distaste for this kind of thing mostly exists among critics and on these kinds of boards and the general public doesn't really give a shit. I don't know. But I do find the response, including my own, pretty interesting when juxtaposed against other kinds of real events.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 16:49:05 GMT
Looks alright👍
Charlie got a rough deal... They kept putting him up for parole they were never going to grant him.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 10, 2019 17:43:11 GMT
Looks alright👍 Charlie got a rough deal... They kept putting him up for parole they were never going to grant him. Yeah... poor Charlie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 18:03:56 GMT
Looks alright👍 Charlie got a rough deal... They kept putting him up for parole they were never going to grant him. Yeah... poor Charlie. Fuck yeah... a scapegoat for a murderous fucked up society.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 10, 2019 18:24:29 GMT
Fuck yeah... a scapegoat for a murderous fucked up society. The face of innocence:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 18:36:00 GMT
Fuck yeah... a scapegoat for a murderous fucked up society. The face of innocence: That's a photo of an old man who knows he is never being released by people who demonised him whilst killing untold hundreds of thousand innocents at the same time with carpet bombing in Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam. Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 10, 2019 18:45:33 GMT
Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury. Yes, the district attorney of Los Angeles is directly responsible for Viet Nam.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 19:08:14 GMT
Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury. Yes, the district attorney of Los Angeles is directly responsible for Viet Nam. What a bastard! Still, this film looks good👍
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 11, 2019 3:01:31 GMT
The murders were exploited from day 1. The 1976 tv movie brings up Hitler and concentration camps (I'd like to know if those remarks were in the actual closing argument to the jury). Bugliosi was not camera shy after all. He liked media attention more than Manson.
And how often did they bring out the Manson family to give interviews through the decades since? What value in it?
One creepy ironic thing though--In the Fearless Vampire Killers, when Sharon Tate appears in the vampire ballroom, they have enlargement details from Brueghel's the Triumph of Death on the walls, and one of the prominent images near her is a bearded king figure who looks a lot like Manson.
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