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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 15:14:16 GMT
I really don't get the fuss here.
Films, especially horror, have always co-opted famous/infamous murders/murderers for entertainment purposes... Wolf Creek, TCM, The Weight of Water, Some Like it Hot, films about Jack the Ripper, the Kray twins, etc... the list is endless.
Wider culture also adopts them... Just looking at the Manson Family in band names, you've got Marilyn Manson, Kasabian, and probably others.
The Lizzie Borden House is a major tourist attraction bed and breakfast... Every day people pay to go on Jack the Ripper tours of Whitechapel, to get a cheap thrill seeing where the murders took place
Do you get your knickers in a twist over all that as well🤔
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Post by simest on Jan 15, 2019 10:53:50 GMT
I really don't get the fuss here. Films, especially horror, have always co-opted famous/infamous murders/murderers for entertainment purposes... Wolf Creek, TCM, The Weight of Water, Some Like it Hot, films about Jack the Ripper, the Kray twins, etc... the list is endless. Wider culture also adopts them... Just looking at the Manson Family in band names, you've got Marilyn Manson, Kasabian, and probably others. The Lizzie Borden House is a major tourist attraction bed and breakfast... Every day people pay to go on Jack the Ripper tours of Whitechapel, to get a cheap thrill seeing where the murders took place Do you get your knickers in a twist over all that as well🤔 Whilst I've not seen all the movies you've named here, the ones I have - for me - don't really align with this one for purposes of comparison. WOLF CREEK is largely fiction, albeit inspired by backpacker disappearances/murders in Australia. The characters are fictitious and events are not documenting actual recorded cases. TCM is similar, with one character simply inspired by Ed Gein but not an account of any recorded case and a plot that is fiction and not recreating actual events. SOME LIKE IT HOT for me, hardly exploits the Valentines Day Massacre - the event simply serves as the backdrop for what otherwise is a slapstick, romantic comedy. The Kray film that I've seen, is very much a biopic that tries to paint a picture of the background and environment that led to the twins rise in the London criminal underworld. It attempts to tell a story based on a time and place where they operated with factual accounts recorded from the period. I'm sure some dramatic liberties are taken here and there but in essence the story remains largely fact based and I would say does not veer into exploitation. Jack the Ripper and Lizzie Borden are mysteries that have become part of folklore. Any movies about these cases are forced to manufacture detail because we don't have full facts. I doubt they exploit the victims. Tours of the sites are part educational and yes - perhaps spawned out of morbid curiosity - but again, I'd say they are more about enlightenment than sensationalising events at the victims expense. As for Marilyn Manson and Kasabian - yes, I do think it was exploitative of them also to take these names to promote themselves in the field of entertainment. I think it was a cheap way of drawing initial attention to themselves on their journey to fame. I feel just the same when I see Rob Zombie appearing publicly in a Charles Manson T-shirt. Regardless of any talent they may have, or the quality of their music (I've never listened to any of the three), I feel their choices of action in those instances are juvenile, questionable and send out a rather dubious message to their fan base or intended audience. Am I saying I'm right about all this? Not necessarily......but this is genuinely how I feel - particularly about this new Tate film and how it's coming across. And while I can't speak for anyone else, I can give full assurances that my knickers aren't in a twist about any of this! It's simply a viewpoint.
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Post by Vits on Mar 1, 2020 9:58:30 GMT
I wanted to keep an open mind while watching the controversial THE HAUNTING OF SHARON TATE. I don't like setting limits on what can and can't be turned into fiction, regardless of who gets offended. Well, using a real-life event wasn't the movie's problem (at least for me). Despite passable performances (Hilary Duff's being the only one I can call decent), it's clearly a cheap production, from the ugly color palette to the fake-looking blood effects to the obvious ADR when 2 actors are walking and we only see the back of their heads from a distance. I could forgive all of that since you can't always get the budget you want. However, there are 2 big problems that have nothing to do with money that make me truly hate it. They use predictable and annoying jump scares and the plot structure is all wrong: The police finds the dead bodies of the Manson Family's victims. Simultaneously, there's a flashback of Sharon talking about her nightmares about being murdered. Later, we see the murders. Plot twist! Sharon was dreaming it! Later, we see another murder. Plot twist! Sharon was dreaming it! Later, Sharon uses her premonition superpowers (did I really just type that?) to stop the murders. The almost victims to escape. Plot twist! They're ghosts who imagined a better outcome! Honestly, if you have to press the reset button so many times, maybe there wasn't enough content for a feature-length film in the first place. This is not good storytelling, and it wouldn't have been even by using made-up characters. I was shocked at how 2 movies of such different quality (this and ONCE UPON A TIME HOLLYWOOD) could make the same mistake: Having a scene that cuts back and forth between real-life footage of Sharon and the actress playing her. Why take the viewer out of the movie like that?! Early on, Sharon and her friends play with an ouija board. Abigail Folger asks "Will Sharon have a beautiful baby girl?" and it lands on the "No" option. Abigail says "I knew you were having a boy!" Ummm... No, it could be an ugly girl. 1/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.
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