Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 10, 2019 7:48:42 GMT
Jan 9, 2019 13:25:33 GMT Nora said:
But is that not a sign of worthwhile, or at least uncompromising, filmmaking?
to me that was the problem - i didnt enjoy watching carells mark. and i love steve carell. he was unlikeable in the bad way - he was unenjoyable.
examples of unlikeable characters that the audiances still enjoy watching:
1. Sterling Archer
2. Godfather
3. Nicholson in As goot as it gets or Somethinn sgotta give.
4. Gordon Gecco
5. or Carell in Dinner for schmucks (very similar role when I think about it bur whereas in Dinner my heart was breaking for Carell here - Nothing) or 40 yo Virgin.
i dont think its a sign of a good/ bold/ uncompromizng movie to make the main character unsympathetic to this point. u just give people no reason to connect. I also think it was not intentional. They Wanted us (especially since its Zemeckis the master of connecting with the audiance) to feel for him and connect with him emotionally on some level. but failed. I think the info about his memory loss coming so late in the movie and him mistreating roberta so much when she was so nice to him were big parts of why it failed for me. he was a shallow and self centered dick. abused and creative? yes. but still very shallow seeming and self centered dick. and the real mark from what i researched and seen was not like that at all.
I agree that the filmmakers wanted the audience to empathize with Hogancamp, and I actually did—the characterization moved me or engaged me. But the portrayal also included warts and unheroic or unstylish elements, which I like about the movie. Carell's Hogancamp is simply a protagonist: his plight and struggle are sympathetic, but he is far from a cuddly boy-next-door. For me, that nuance, complexity, and ambiguity prove effective. The original poster cited Forrest Gump; well, Hogancamp in this film is the anti-Gump. The two men are both credulous, but Hogancamp's credulousness cannot simply be celebrated. In a sense, then, Zemeckis is engaging in more mature and less crowd-pleasing ventures.
I am going to view Welcome to Marwen once more in the theater, but I believe that the film certainly hints at his memory loss early on. And to me Hogancamp does not mistreat Roberta so much as he is unresponsive to her kindness and interest. But that initial unresponsiveness is part of the protagonist's character arc—he has to untangle fantasy and reality and recognize the opportunities that really exist and the humanity that is actually manifesting itself. In a sense, the development represents the male archetype wherein a man has to be dissuaded of his romantic delusions and his desire for some kind of glamorous beauty and just be receptive towards someone who is actually interested in him.