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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 7:02:25 GMT
I saw it yesterday evening and I wasn't a fan of Bale's performance. I wasn't because it seemed like he was trying to act every time he talked. He was talking so slow. I wasn't sure if Cheney actually talked slow like that though, and if he did I would have changed my opinion of the performance, but when I got home I watched some clips of him on YouTube and Bale got it all wrong. He was terrible. And I hate saying that because he is my favorite actor, but he sucked. Yes. He had the voice down good, but he talked so slowly and I saw that Cheney didn't talk slow like that at all.
Bale's performance was very disappointing. I was really looking forward to seeing him in this, but he failed.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 10, 2019 8:26:46 GMT
I saw it yesterday evening and I wasn't a fan of Bale's performance. I wasn't because it seemed like he was trying to act every time he talked. He was talking so slow. I wasn't sure if Cheney actually talked slow like that though, and if he did I would have changed my opinion of the performance, but when I got home I watched some clips of him on YouTube and Bale got it all wrong. He was terrible. And I hate saying that because he is my favorite actor, but he sucked. Yes. He had the voice down good, but he talked so slowly and I saw that Cheney didn't talk slow like that at all. Bale's performance was very disappointing. I was really looking forward to seeing him in this, but he failed. I thought that Bale's physical transformation, vocal intonations, and overall mannerisms proved remarkable and that he mimicked Cheney impressively. I give you kudos for engaging in a study of how Cheney actually spoke, and what you write about the former vice president's vocal pace seems correct. But in my view, that criticism would be somewhat more pertinent if Vice constituted a genuine character study filmed in a transparent style. Instead, since the movie is a collage and a satire, the broadness of Bale's performance—the resemblance, the intonation—proves more than sufficient. Personally, though, I would have given the Golden Globe to Robert Redford in The Old Man and the Gun or Viggo Mortensen in Green Book (among the nominees in that category).
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Post by hi224 on Jan 10, 2019 14:35:31 GMT
I actually loved him he is my second place performance so far as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 14:57:37 GMT
I saw it yesterday evening and I wasn't a fan of Bale's performance. I wasn't because it seemed like he was trying to act every time he talked. He was talking so slow. I wasn't sure if Cheney actually talked slow like that though, and if he did I would have changed my opinion of the performance, but when I got home I watched some clips of him on YouTube and Bale got it all wrong. He was terrible. And I hate saying that because he is my favorite actor, but he sucked. Yes. He had the voice down good, but he talked so slowly and I saw that Cheney didn't talk slow like that at all. Bale's performance was very disappointing. I was really looking forward to seeing him in this, but he failed. I thought that Bale's physical transformation, vocal intonations, and overall mannerisms proved remarkable and that he mimicked Cheney impressively. I give you kudos for engaging in a study of how Cheney actually spoke, and what you write about the former vice president's vocal pace seems correct. But in my view, that criticism would be somewhat more pertinent if Vice constituted a genuine character study filmed in a transparent style. Instead, since the movie is a collage and a satire, the broadness of Bale's performance—the resemblance, the intonation—proves more than sufficient. Personally, though, I would have given the Golden Globe to Robert Redford in The Old Man and the Gun or Viggo Mortensen in Green Book (among the nominees in that category). "that criticism would be somewhat more pertinent if Vice constituted a genuine character study filmed in a transparent style. Instead, since the movie is a collage and a satire, the broadness of Bale's performance—the resemblance, the intonation—proves more than sufficient."I get what you're saying, but I just didn't feel it was necessary. I didn't enjoy it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 11:54:49 GMT
Spoilers!!!
I really liked it. I thought his performance was spot on. When he broke the fourth wall at the end, he reminded me of the interviews Cheney gave in his post-vicepresidency.
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Post by forca84 on Jan 14, 2019 17:40:12 GMT
Would you say it's a fulfilling portrait of his life? Or does it focus on so many years. My issue with the "LBJ" movie is it basically just stops at a certain point with some text at the end. Felt incomplete.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 14, 2019 18:12:12 GMT
I didn't much like The Big Short so I was thinking the same thing might happen with this. Eleven years later, as uneven as that movie was, it is amusing that Stone's W. keep sounding like the better film.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 18:23:29 GMT
Spoilers!!! I really liked it. I thought his performance was spot on. When he broke the fourth wall at the end, he reminded me of the interviews Cheney gave in his post-vicepresidency. Sadly it wasn't spot on though. Cheney did not talk that slow. It was a cartoonish performance. Now people might say that was the point, but I don't think so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 18:27:59 GMT
Would you say it's a fulfilling portrait of his life? Or does it focus on so many years. My issue with the "LBJ" movie is it basically just stops at a certain point with some text at the end. Felt incomplete. I honestly didn't know much about Cheney, never really cared to either, so that I can't say. I didn't watch the LBJ movie and I didn't want to. I thought it would probably glorify him, but he was a bastard of a President and just an all around awful person. The main reason I know that he led to the United States engaging more directly in the Vietnam War because of the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The GUlf of Tonkin incident never happened. So he lied and got thousands of people killed. There's more as well.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 14, 2019 18:56:43 GMT
I heard Johnson raped a secretary. But he was loyal to his masters, just as Cheney was, which is why the media was much easier on them when in office.
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Post by forca84 on Jan 14, 2019 20:20:45 GMT
[/quote]I honestly didn't know much abouts Cheney, never really cared to either, so that I can't say.
I didn't watch the LBJ movie and I didn't want to. I thought it would probably glorify him, but he was a bastard of a President and just an all around awful person. The main reason I know that he led to the United States engaging more directly in the Vietnam War because of the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The GUlf of Tonkin incident never happened. So he lied and got thousands of people killed. There's more as well.[/quote]
It showed him being rude, gruff, and taking dumps during meetings with the restroom door open. Ultimately it showed him as sympathetic. Ending suddenly with some text about Vietnam. Should've included all of that.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 15, 2019 9:17:30 GMT
Would you say it's a fulfilling portrait of his life? Or does it focus on so many years. My issue with the "LBJ" movie is it basically just stops at a certain point with some text at the end. Felt incomplete. I am not sure that Vice is conventionally or perfectly "fulfilling" because writer-director Adam McKay's style is so obviously satirical and polemical, but within that style, I believe that it offers a reasonable and appropriately ironic testament. The movie does not simply demonize Cheney—it finds the humanity of the man. By the same token, the film certainly suggests Cheney's willingness to embrace the potential inhumanity of politics and governance, to cataclysmic effect. I really liked LBJ; I viewed it three times in the theater in November 2017 and deemed the film "good/very good" on each occasion. Not attempting a full-fledged biopic made sense, as Johnson's life and career proved too sprawling and monumental (in both positive and negative ways). To instead seize upon that critical period in the immediate aftermath of Kennedy's assassination and use it as a way to pivot back to Johnson's vice presidency (and even earlier) and then ahead to his galvanizing of the nation following JFK's murder proved both elegant and effective. Woody Harrelson's performance was nuanced and much more intricate and profound than Gary Oldman's Oscar-winning stint as Winston Churchill in Darkest Hour, while Rob Reiner's direction proved deft.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 15, 2019 9:21:35 GMT
Would you say it's a fulfilling portrait of his life? Or does it focus on so many years. My issue with the "LBJ" movie is it basically just stops at a certain point with some text at the end. Felt incomplete. I honestly didn't know much about Cheney, never really cared to either, so that I can't say. I didn't watch the LBJ movie and I didn't want to. I thought it would probably glorify him, but he was a bastard of a President and just an all around awful person. The main reason I know that he led to the United States engaging more directly in the Vietnam War because of the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The GUlf of Tonkin incident never happened. So he lied and got thousands of people killed. There's more as well. Johnson's character and legacy are both highly complex, and LBJ reflects that complexity and nuance. Frankly, the film did a fine job of showing how a white man from Jim Crow-era Texas, who casually mouthed racial epithets in private, could eventually become outraged by segregation and seek to end it.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 15, 2019 9:27:01 GMT
I didn't much like The Big Short so I was thinking the same thing might happen with this. Eleven years later, as uneven as that movie was, it is amusing that Stone's W. keep sounding like the better film. As I noted in another thread, Vice employs a similar style to The Big Short, but it is also a smoother movie with better acting. Overall, I deemed The Big Short (which I viewed three times in the theater) "good" and Vice (which I have seen once, with one or two more viewings to come) "good/very good." Having Amy Adams (in Vice) helps. I liked W. quite a bit, but Adam McKay's style is so different from Oliver Stone's (and most feature film directors) that the comparison is almost apples-and-oranges to me.
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