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Post by agentblue on Jan 17, 2019 0:18:19 GMT
Haha as if Disney would ever touch an Age of Apocalypse storyline. Theyd have to show mass human exterminations and horrific acts by the horsemen. Harmless fairy dust vanishes wont cut it. Probably
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 17, 2019 0:45:03 GMT
Mr. Sinister is long overdue... for a sensible haircut.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 22, 2019 17:01:37 GMT
Haha as if Disney would ever touch an Age of Apocalypse storyline. Theyd have to show mass human exterminations and horrific acts by the horsemen. Harmless fairy dust vanishes wont cut it. Fox wouldn't either.
For the 1st X-men movie, I'd go with the Acolytes. Make it like a search for Magneto type thing. Have Magneto already have been a thing that the X-men have fought in the past (they are still teens). Then this new group that worships Magneto springs up. But at the same time, I'd have Magneto be there in name only. Don't have him show up until the 3rd movie. I'd put in Amelia Voght for some backstory with Xavier.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 22, 2019 17:54:07 GMT
Haha as if Disney would ever touch an Age of Apocalypse storyline. Theyd have to show mass human exterminations and horrific acts by the horsemen. Harmless fairy dust vanishes wont cut it. Fox wouldn't either.
For the 1st X-men movie, I'd go with the Acolytes. Make it like a search for Magneto type thing. Have Magneto already have been a thing that the X-men have fought in the past (they are still teens). Then this new group that worships Magneto springs up. But at the same time, I'd have Magneto be there in name only. Don't have him show up until the 3rd movie. I'd put in Amelia Voght for some backstory with Xavier.
DOFP was darker and sader than AOA.
Fox touched that and did it justice in tone and story telling, DOFP a movie remembered for 3 things. one bad the other good.
1. the foreshadowing X-Men was about to match and maybe get past TDK. Logan did that.
2. The bad- a movie so artistically good people ignored singer was maybe a peado
3. A movie that destroyed the only serious grown up mcu movie winter solider in 2014.
Fox touched DOFP, MCU could not even do that with ultron. MCU xmen will be bad, how bad is what we can talk about now.
will it be GOTG/ant man bad (too jokey and childish) or black panther/civil war bad (too shallow)? either way, Fox wont loose any sleep. they made the best star wars, the made the best xmen. even sony sill makes the best spiderman films.
MCU/Disney is lagging behind.
MCU movies are just jokes.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 23, 2019 3:45:58 GMT
Are they always going to be present in MCU, but hidden? Are they going to jump off from a Multiverse in to the MCU? I've always wondered these two questions. Even before the Disney/Fox merger. I always thought it'd be incredibly odd for Mutants to have existed the entire time in the MCU. Especially if you watch shows like AOS. Surely someone would've identified the mutant gene by now.
But I do like the idea that some kind of event happens in Endgame that creates the multiverse, which could easily bring Mutants into the fold. It makes sense that the possible time travel in Endgame mixed with the power of the Infinity Stones, and even Thanos idea that the universe doesn't have enough resources, I could easily see that combination of things causing an event that will be like a 'Second Big Bang' in the Marvel universe where multiple universes explode into existence.
With the proliferation of enhanced individuals in the MCU why would Mutants be as hated as they need to be. If they were seen as invaders from another realm/dimension it could add the xenophobic nature of the masses. Not only are they seen as "The Other" as another species but as "The Other" literally. Plus you could pray on current trends of increased xenophobia in modern society.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 23, 2019 4:46:28 GMT
I've always wondered these two questions. Even before the Disney/Fox merger. I always thought it'd be incredibly odd for Mutants to have existed the entire time in the MCU. Especially if you watch shows like AOS. Surely someone would've identified the mutant gene by now.
But I do like the idea that some kind of event happens in Endgame that creates the multiverse, which could easily bring Mutants into the fold. It makes sense that the possible time travel in Endgame mixed with the power of the Infinity Stones, and even Thanos idea that the universe doesn't have enough resources, I could easily see that combination of things causing an event that will be like a 'Second Big Bang' in the Marvel universe where multiple universes explode into existence.
With the proliferation of enhanced individuals in the MCU why would Mutants be as hated as they need to be. If they were seen as invaders from another realm/dimension it could add the xenophobic nature of the masses. Not only are they seen as "The Other" as another species but as "The Other" literally. Plus you could pray on current trends of increased xenophobia in modern society. Why will mutants be hated and feared? have you ever read a marvel comic?
mutants are hated and feared because they are the next stage of evolution, it is pure genetic and ethnic heritage. this is the reasons most argue xmen works better in their own world. once xmen are in the mcu disney will tone that down. disney cant even deal with the topic deeply. mcvoy has said that. the proof is also in black panther, where racism is barely shown
this is the reason disney is bound to make infeioeir xmen movies in the end, unless of course you think it will be good is disney re writes the concept of mutants just to make it fit their jokey world.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 23, 2019 5:31:30 GMT
With the proliferation of enhanced individuals in the MCU why would Mutants be as hated as they need to be. If they were seen as invaders from another realm/dimension it could add the xenophobic nature of the masses. Not only are they seen as "The Other" as another species but as "The Other" literally. Plus you could pray on current trends of increased xenophobia in modern society. Why will mutants be hated and feared? have you ever read a marvel comic?
mutants are hated and feared because they are the next stage of evolution, it is pure genetic and ethnic heritage. this is the reasons most argue xmen works better in their own world. once xmen are in the mcu disney will tone that down. disney cant even deal with the topic deeply. mcvoy has said that. the proof is also in black panther, where racism is barely shown
this is the reason disney is bound to make infeioeir xmen movies in the end, unless of course you think it will be good is disney re writes the concept of mutants just to make it fit their jokey world.
Keep fighting the fight. Twisting what you can to your very narrow point of view. I know why they are hated and feared but explain to me what is the difference between Mutates and Mutants? One happens naturally one it's done to them, but as long as the Mutate's sex chromosomes are effected they pass it along. In all practical matters there is no difference between a Mutate and Mutant. How would the populace of Hell's Kitchen know that Dare Devil wasn't a mutant? How would they know he was a Mutate? They wouldn't. People fear the unknown so shouldn't DD, JJ, LC, every other super powered being that didn't get their powers through the X-Gene be hated because people wouldn't know if they were a Mutant or not. It's not like every Mutate's origin is known to the world. See the disconnect? The real hate of Mutants comes from the unknown the fear of the other. The fact your neighbor could be a different sub-species than you. I posit that Captain America's dna is altered enough to be a sub-species of human. Every Mutate is, but they are loved mostly. The more the Mutate is loved the less it makes sense that the Mutants would be hated as a general rule. So I was just spit balling how the MCU could introduce the Mutants and make them hated not only because they are a different sub-species (that would be part of it). If brought from an invasion from a different dimension something they couldn't control then you have extra reason for people to hate them. And it fits the current xenophobia and rise of right wing "purism" we have today. Could we not see parallel's of protecting our borders. That we have to be American's first vs Humans second. Would dovetail nicely into the debate if the Mutants were introduced in such a way they were not specific to this dimension. They something caused them to invade. Having them come from a dimension so close to ours that it would almost be impossible to tell they weren't. So we keep the sub-species fear but we add a second layer. The only thing I know is I look forward to what may happen in the future with Marvel where you fear and hate it. The MCU could nail the X-men perfectly and you will still find some reason to hate it. You are the epitome of the tribalism that the X-men has shown light on. We get it you like your brand of marvel. You will fight to the death to make sure everyone knows you feel your brand is best. You have your tribe. Others of us who like MCU, DCEU, XMU, etc who are interested in how it will happen like to postulate, spitball, dream, and wonder how things will happen. Your input does nothing for the conversation. We all know what you are going to say. You are predictable and null.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 23, 2019 11:58:57 GMT
Why will mutants be hated and feared? have you ever read a marvel comic?
mutants are hated and feared because they are the next stage of evolution, it is pure genetic and ethnic heritage. this is the reasons most argue xmen works better in their own world. once xmen are in the mcu disney will tone that down. disney cant even deal with the topic deeply. mcvoy has said that. the proof is also in black panther, where racism is barely shown
this is the reason disney is bound to make infeioeir xmen movies in the end, unless of course you think it will be good is disney re writes the concept of mutants just to make it fit their jokey world.
Keep fighting the fight. Twisting what you can to your very narrow point of view. I know why they are hated and feared but explain to me what is the difference between Mutates and Mutants? One happens naturally one it's done to them, but as long as the Mutate's sex chromosomes are effected they pass it along. In all practical matters there is no difference between a Mutate and Mutant. How would the populace of Hell's Kitchen know that Dare Devil wasn't a mutant? How would they know he was a Mutate? They wouldn't. People fear the unknown so shouldn't DD, JJ, LC, every other super powered being that didn't get their powers through the X-Gene be hated because people wouldn't know if they were a Mutant or not. It's not like every Mutate's origin is known to the world. See the disconnect? The real hate of Mutants comes from the unknown the fear of the other. The fact your neighbor could be a different sub-species than you. I posit that Captain America's dna is altered enough to be a sub-species of human. Every Mutate is, but they are loved mostly. The more the Mutate is loved the less it makes sense that the Mutants would be hated as a general rule. So I was just spit balling how the MCU could introduce the Mutants and make them hated not only because they are a different sub-species (that would be part of it). If brought from an invasion from a different dimension something they couldn't control then you have extra reason for people to hate them. And it fits the current xenophobia and rise of right wing "purism" we have today. Could we not see parallel's of protecting our borders. That we have to be American's first vs Humans second. Would dovetail nicely into the debate if the Mutants were introduced in such a way they were not specific to this dimension. They something caused them to invade. Having them come from a dimension so close to ours that it would almost be impossible to tell they weren't. So we keep the sub-species fear but we add a second layer. The only thing I know is I look forward to what may happen in the future with Marvel where you fear and hate it. The MCU could nail the X-men perfectly and you will still find some reason to hate it. You are the epitome of the tribalism that the X-men has shown light on. We get it you like your brand of marvel. You will fight to the death to make sure everyone knows you feel your brand is best. You have your tribe. Others of us who like MCU, DCEU, XMU, etc who are interested in how it will happen like to postulate, spitball, dream, and wonder how things will happen. Your input does nothing for the conversation. We all know what you are going to say. You are predictable and null. MCU cant nail xmen perfectly. I will let their factual shallow take on spiderman and star wars as proof.
I thought the fight was already won, see the backlash right now with black panther and the genre? The final prove of the mcu bias and Disney's abuse of power? This should have been a time for celebration for the genre but the genre is now even more than a joke freak than to the MCU. Usually when have I ever be wrong. poor mcu fans.
So you never read marvel comics? The difference between mutant and mutates as said already has to do more with race and genetics. Mutants are hated and feared because people are scared of them of feel they are special aka the way people feel about jews being the chosen race or the way people feel that blacks are generically handicapped.
Mutates are still normal people who get their power by accident nOT genetic heritage. You cant compare capitan America, Spiderman to mutants. Captain America is more like an athlete on drugs. Also did you watch the xmen tas episode when Spiderman even tells the xmen he does not want to be a freak like them? watch the full episdoe, spiderman tells us the difference between mutants and mutates.
Mcu fans don’t even watch class marvel cartoons with more intelligence than mcu movies. Why will mcu do invasion, is that not what avengers is? And avengers are some of the worst Hollywood movies hated by many film makers and other comic fans for the lack of real story telling.
Mutants should be introduced like the comics, they have always been there. The introduction is not the problem, it is the usesless and superficial and dumbed down way mcu will handle it that will be the problem.
The MCU cant nail xmen perfectly, if they could then their spiderman wont be as bad. Remember what they did with spideman, he is not the average kid with issues like sam raimi portrayed him, he is an avengers fanboy backed up by tony stark. Disney also destroyed star wars they nailed it to the ground so mcu cant nail xmen after failing to nail star wars and Spiderman. Logic please
MCU has done similar stuff that has some xmen parallels. Age of ultron and black panther. We already have xmen versions of the films that are superior. First class and days of future past. so how will they nail xmen?
mcu xmen will be bad, how bad is it is what will be a good discussion now. you can settle for last jedi mythology bad, black panther generic bad, or homecoming childish bad. pick and choose.
dont ever put spiderman 2, X2 or star wars: a new hope to the disney-mcu stuff. same goes for mcu xmen. People hate mediocrity. its a natural law. sorry.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 23, 2019 22:44:18 GMT
Why will mutants be hated and feared? have you ever read a marvel comic?
mutants are hated and feared because they are the next stage of evolution, it is pure genetic and ethnic heritage. this is the reasons most argue xmen works better in their own world. once xmen are in the mcu disney will tone that down. disney cant even deal with the topic deeply. mcvoy has said that. the proof is also in black panther, where racism is barely shown
this is the reason disney is bound to make infeioeir xmen movies in the end, unless of course you think it will be good is disney re writes the concept of mutants just to make it fit their jokey world.
Keep fighting the fight. Twisting what you can to your very narrow point of view. I know why they are hated and feared but explain to me what is the difference between Mutates and Mutants? One happens naturally one it's done to them, but as long as the Mutate's sex chromosomes are effected they pass it along. In all practical matters there is no difference between a Mutate and Mutant. How would the populace of Hell's Kitchen know that Dare Devil wasn't a mutant? How would they know he was a Mutate? They wouldn't. People fear the unknown so shouldn't DD, JJ, LC, every other super powered being that didn't get their powers through the X-Gene be hated because people wouldn't know if they were a Mutant or not. It's not like every Mutate's origin is known to the world. See the disconnect? The real hate of Mutants comes from the unknown the fear of the other. The fact your neighbor could be a different sub-species than you. I posit that Captain America's dna is altered enough to be a sub-species of human. Every Mutate is, but they are loved mostly. The more the Mutate is loved the less it makes sense that the Mutants would be hated as a general rule. So I was just spit balling how the MCU could introduce the Mutants and make them hated not only because they are a different sub-species (that would be part of it). If brought from an invasion from a different dimension something they couldn't control then you have extra reason for people to hate them. And it fits the current xenophobia and rise of right wing "purism" we have today. Could we not see parallel's of protecting our borders. That we have to be American's first vs Humans second. Would dovetail nicely into the debate if the Mutants were introduced in such a way they were not specific to this dimension. They something caused them to invade. Having them come from a dimension so close to ours that it would almost be impossible to tell they weren't. So we keep the sub-species fear but we add a second layer. The only thing I know is I look forward to what may happen in the future with Marvel where you fear and hate it. The MCU could nail the X-men perfectly and you will still find some reason to hate it. You are the epitome of the tribalism that the X-men has shown light on. We get it you like your brand of marvel. You will fight to the death to make sure everyone knows you feel your brand is best. You have your tribe. Others of us who like MCU, DCEU, XMU, etc who are interested in how it will happen like to postulate, spitball, dream, and wonder how things will happen. Your input does nothing for the conversation. We all know what you are going to say. You are predictable and null. I think that's one thing that hasn't gotten out yet. Mutates create Mutants. Characters like Spider-girl in the M2 universe are Mutants. Franklin and Valeria Richards are Mutants born from a couple Mutates.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 24, 2019 1:35:56 GMT
Keep fighting the fight. Twisting what you can to your very narrow point of view. I know why they are hated and feared but explain to me what is the difference between Mutates and Mutants? One happens naturally one it's done to them, but as long as the Mutate's sex chromosomes are effected they pass it along. In all practical matters there is no difference between a Mutate and Mutant. How would the populace of Hell's Kitchen know that Dare Devil wasn't a mutant? How would they know he was a Mutate? They wouldn't. People fear the unknown so shouldn't DD, JJ, LC, every other super powered being that didn't get their powers through the X-Gene be hated because people wouldn't know if they were a Mutant or not. It's not like every Mutate's origin is known to the world. See the disconnect? The real hate of Mutants comes from the unknown the fear of the other. The fact your neighbor could be a different sub-species than you. I posit that Captain America's dna is altered enough to be a sub-species of human. Every Mutate is, but they are loved mostly. The more the Mutate is loved the less it makes sense that the Mutants would be hated as a general rule. So I was just spit balling how the MCU could introduce the Mutants and make them hated not only because they are a different sub-species (that would be part of it). If brought from an invasion from a different dimension something they couldn't control then you have extra reason for people to hate them. And it fits the current xenophobia and rise of right wing "purism" we have today. Could we not see parallel's of protecting our borders. That we have to be American's first vs Humans second. Would dovetail nicely into the debate if the Mutants were introduced in such a way they were not specific to this dimension. They something caused them to invade. Having them come from a dimension so close to ours that it would almost be impossible to tell they weren't. So we keep the sub-species fear but we add a second layer. The only thing I know is I look forward to what may happen in the future with Marvel where you fear and hate it. The MCU could nail the X-men perfectly and you will still find some reason to hate it. You are the epitome of the tribalism that the X-men has shown light on. We get it you like your brand of marvel. You will fight to the death to make sure everyone knows you feel your brand is best. You have your tribe. Others of us who like MCU, DCEU, XMU, etc who are interested in how it will happen like to postulate, spitball, dream, and wonder how things will happen. Your input does nothing for the conversation. We all know what you are going to say. You are predictable and null. MCU cant nail xmen perfectly. I will let their factual shallow take on spiderman and star wars as proof.
I thought the fight was already won, see the backlash right now with black panther and the genre? The final prove of the mcu bias and Disney's abuse of power? This should have been a time for celebration for the genre but the genre is now even more than a joke freak than to the MCU. Usually when have I ever be wrong. poor mcu fans.
So you never read marvel comics? The difference between mutant and mutates as said already has to do more with race and genetics. Mutants are hated and feared because people are scared of them of feel they are special aka the way people feel about jews being the chosen race or the way people feel that blacks are generically handicapped.
Mutates are still normal people who get their power by accident nOT genetic heritage. You cant compare capitan America, Spiderman to mutants. Captain America is more like an athlete on drugs. Also did you watch the xmen tas episode when Spiderman even tells the xmen he does not want to be a freak like them? watch the full episdoe, spiderman tells us the difference between mutants and mutates.
Mcu fans don’t even watch class marvel cartoons with more intelligence than mcu movies. Why will mcu do invasion, is that not what avengers is? And avengers are some of the worst Hollywood movies hated by many film makers and other comic fans for the lack of real story telling.
Mutants should be introduced like the comics, they have always been there. The introduction is not the problem, it is the usesless and superficial and dumbed down way mcu will handle it that will be the problem.
The MCU cant nail xmen perfectly, if they could then their spiderman wont be as bad. Remember what they did with spideman, he is not the average kid with issues like sam raimi portrayed him, he is an avengers fanboy backed up by tony stark. Disney also destroyed star wars they nailed it to the ground so mcu cant nail xmen after failing to nail star wars and Spiderman. Logic please
MCU has done similar stuff that has some xmen parallels. Age of ultron and black panther. We already have xmen versions of the films that are superior. First class and days of future past. so how will they nail xmen?
mcu xmen will be bad, how bad is it is what will be a good discussion now. you can settle for last jedi mythology bad, black panther generic bad, or homecoming childish bad. pick and choose.
dont ever put spiderman 2, X2 or star wars: a new hope to the disney-mcu stuff. same goes for mcu xmen. People hate mediocrity. its a natural law. sorry.
this is what I mean when you bring nothing to the conversation. When Asked how could/would Marvel Studios bring X-men in to the MCU. Instead of brain storming ways, letting a little wonder into the conversation your answer will always be. They shouldn't. They'll ruin it. Even if it doesn't matter what we think, discuss, wonder, enjoy in community with each other. THAT'S the point you are missing. Nothing we say, do, or discuss as an individual matters. Us as an individual unless we are creators in hollywood will ever effect the movies. As a whole community we do have power, but that's not the point. We are here to create a small subset of that community. At least most are here for that purpose. The problem I see is that you aren't. You could have the best earth shattering idea to share with us on how it could be pulled off. An idea that we would all love to hear, but your answer will always be. It shouldn't be done. I hate Marvel Studios and their product. Also my discussions of Mutate's vs Mutants was bringing in real world discussions I've had with guy who plays the Monk in my DnD campaign. He graduated with a degree in Biology and Organic Chemistry. Even with arguing with you who is basically a Null state. I still try to bring a sense of creating and sharing. Lets take it slow. If your powers are derived by non-mystical means, then it has to come from your Biology. Every thing in your biology can be traced to your Genetic and Epigenetic structure. If you inherit a genetic mutation from your parents that combine to make you have a power you would be a Mutant. You have a chance to pass that along to your kids or at least them being a carrier. If you have something done to you that changes your genetic structure to give you powers and it effects your sex cells you to can pass it along. One is a NATURAL MUTATION one isn't. Here's the thing it doesn't matter if you inherit your mutations or the mutation happens to you (a mutation literally means the permanent alteration of the nucleotide sequence of the genome of an organism, virus, or extrachromosomal DNA or other genetic elements.) One cause is Radiation. It causes genetic mutations in your body everyday, but our body naturally deals with most. Detecting the fucked up genetic code in a cell and ordering the cell to commit suicide.Usually when it cant = CANCER. (mutations come from a host of different places some just copying errors that just happen out of the blue) So whats the difference between you getting a favorable mutation from natural radiation and say being splashed with main made sludge? If it doesn't kill you and some how creates a favorable change in your genetic structure or how your genetic structure is expressed (epigenetics) both are still technically a mutation by definition. Now using in world definitions Mutates and Mutants are seen as different. I understand this, but from a purely scientific stanpoint it's a moot point. Change to genetic structure coming natural selection eventually creating the X-gene to give powers. Is no different than Chemicals change your normal non X-gene having ass giving you powers. The only difference would be if your Mutated Gene's not effecting your Sex producing cells. If somehow those stay normal then there is a barrier to passing it on. Now that can be done with Crispr we can cause man made genetic changes without going pass that barrier. Infact it is illegal in most countries. In China we just had a doctor break protocol and created a child with hopefully HIV resistance because he used Crispr to delete a gene that the Retrovirus uses in it's replication process when it enters your body. He did this to an embryo. So that genetic change will be in the stem cells that will eventually become that childs testes or ovaries. Meaning most likely that child will pass on that genetic change. That Child would be a MUTATE. But physically they are no different that the very small set of MUTANTS that don't have that gene naturally. You are supposed to have that gene. See this is how discussion works. Normally, this is the joy of the comic/nerd culture. Discussing possibilities, real world applications/definitions. It's done without snark between open individuals. You don't get to participate because you are always at the NULL state. So why don't you save everyone the time and just post the same exact message every time instead of us having to read your different variations of the same answer. Marvel Studios Sucks. XMU is Better. Marvel Studios will never make anything I like. Therefore we shouldn't discuss anything about it. I haven't read one message of yours that has ever not been that statement. Not one. Even when talking about other movies you still put this statement into your post. Each one of us who reply to you, falsely have the hope that you will actually bring something to the discussion. A hope you dash in every single post you ever make.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 24, 2019 1:39:17 GMT
Keep fighting the fight. Twisting what you can to your very narrow point of view. I know why they are hated and feared but explain to me what is the difference between Mutates and Mutants? One happens naturally one it's done to them, but as long as the Mutate's sex chromosomes are effected they pass it along. In all practical matters there is no difference between a Mutate and Mutant. How would the populace of Hell's Kitchen know that Dare Devil wasn't a mutant? How would they know he was a Mutate? They wouldn't. People fear the unknown so shouldn't DD, JJ, LC, every other super powered being that didn't get their powers through the X-Gene be hated because people wouldn't know if they were a Mutant or not. It's not like every Mutate's origin is known to the world. See the disconnect? The real hate of Mutants comes from the unknown the fear of the other. The fact your neighbor could be a different sub-species than you. I posit that Captain America's dna is altered enough to be a sub-species of human. Every Mutate is, but they are loved mostly. The more the Mutate is loved the less it makes sense that the Mutants would be hated as a general rule. So I was just spit balling how the MCU could introduce the Mutants and make them hated not only because they are a different sub-species (that would be part of it). If brought from an invasion from a different dimension something they couldn't control then you have extra reason for people to hate them. And it fits the current xenophobia and rise of right wing "purism" we have today. Could we not see parallel's of protecting our borders. That we have to be American's first vs Humans second. Would dovetail nicely into the debate if the Mutants were introduced in such a way they were not specific to this dimension. They something caused them to invade. Having them come from a dimension so close to ours that it would almost be impossible to tell they weren't. So we keep the sub-species fear but we add a second layer. The only thing I know is I look forward to what may happen in the future with Marvel where you fear and hate it. The MCU could nail the X-men perfectly and you will still find some reason to hate it. You are the epitome of the tribalism that the X-men has shown light on. We get it you like your brand of marvel. You will fight to the death to make sure everyone knows you feel your brand is best. You have your tribe. Others of us who like MCU, DCEU, XMU, etc who are interested in how it will happen like to postulate, spitball, dream, and wonder how things will happen. Your input does nothing for the conversation. We all know what you are going to say. You are predictable and null. I think that's one thing that hasn't gotten out yet. Mutates create Mutants. Characters like Spider-girl in the M2 universe are Mutants. Franklin and Valeria Richards are Mutants born from a couple Mutates. That's kind of the point I wanted to make though. If you John Q public sees a new Mutate Super Powered Hero or Villain and it's common knowledge that Mutants have Super Powers. Wouldn't your first thought would be this is a Mutant or the edge case that he is a Mutate. If a Mutate can pass it along should it even matter. Essentially a Mutate and Mutant is basically the same thing in a purely scientific standpoint.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 24, 2019 9:13:04 GMT
Keep fighting the fight. Twisting what you can to your very narrow point of view. I know why they are hated and feared but explain to me what is the difference between Mutates and Mutants? One happens naturally one it's done to them, but as long as the Mutate's sex chromosomes are effected they pass it along. In all practical matters there is no difference between a Mutate and Mutant. How would the populace of Hell's Kitchen know that Dare Devil wasn't a mutant? How would they know he was a Mutate? They wouldn't. People fear the unknown so shouldn't DD, JJ, LC, every other super powered being that didn't get their powers through the X-Gene be hated because people wouldn't know if they were a Mutant or not. It's not like every Mutate's origin is known to the world. See the disconnect? The real hate of Mutants comes from the unknown the fear of the other. The fact your neighbor could be a different sub-species than you. I posit that Captain America's dna is altered enough to be a sub-species of human. Every Mutate is, but they are loved mostly. The more the Mutate is loved the less it makes sense that the Mutants would be hated as a general rule. So I was just spit balling how the MCU could introduce the Mutants and make them hated not only because they are a different sub-species (that would be part of it). If brought from an invasion from a different dimension something they couldn't control then you have extra reason for people to hate them. And it fits the current xenophobia and rise of right wing "purism" we have today. Could we not see parallel's of protecting our borders. That we have to be American's first vs Humans second. Would dovetail nicely into the debate if the Mutants were introduced in such a way they were not specific to this dimension. They something caused them to invade. Having them come from a dimension so close to ours that it would almost be impossible to tell they weren't. So we keep the sub-species fear but we add a second layer. The only thing I know is I look forward to what may happen in the future with Marvel where you fear and hate it. The MCU could nail the X-men perfectly and you will still find some reason to hate it. You are the epitome of the tribalism that the X-men has shown light on. We get it you like your brand of marvel. You will fight to the death to make sure everyone knows you feel your brand is best. You have your tribe. Others of us who like MCU, DCEU, XMU, etc who are interested in how it will happen like to postulate, spitball, dream, and wonder how things will happen. Your input does nothing for the conversation. We all know what you are going to say. You are predictable and null. I think that's one thing that hasn't gotten out yet. Mutates create Mutants. Characters like Spider-girl in the M2 universe are Mutants. Franklin and Valeria Richards are Mutants born from a couple Mutates.
Fact check marvel story...aka the truth
there are few mutates creating mutants. mutants are created by mostly ordinary humans.
hm, frank richards, reminds me of the DOFP comic. in that comics why did the sentinels start going after ordinary humans. because they were able to figure out the humans who will have mutant kids.
How many mutants have mutated parents? not up to 10%. part of the core social theme of xmen is these mutants are born by humans and because of that, abandoned by their human parents who disown most of them.
So am guessing mcu xmen will use a mutate create mutants root to dumb down the concept of mutants. that seem worse like no uncle ben for spiderman use tony strark instead.
geez and people wonder why homecoming was so useless to spiderman 1 and 2. expect that from mcu xmen vs DOFP movie.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 24, 2019 9:23:07 GMT
MCU cant nail xmen perfectly. I will let their factual shallow take on spiderman and star wars as proof.
I thought the fight was already won, see the backlash right now with black panther and the genre? The final prove of the mcu bias and Disney's abuse of power? This should have been a time for celebration for the genre but the genre is now even more than a joke freak than to the MCU. Usually when have I ever be wrong. poor mcu fans.
So you never read marvel comics? The difference between mutant and mutates as said already has to do more with race and genetics. Mutants are hated and feared because people are scared of them of feel they are special aka the way people feel about jews being the chosen race or the way people feel that blacks are generically handicapped.
Mutates are still normal people who get their power by accident nOT genetic heritage. You cant compare capitan America, Spiderman to mutants. Captain America is more like an athlete on drugs. Also did you watch the xmen tas episode when Spiderman even tells the xmen he does not want to be a freak like them? watch the full episdoe, spiderman tells us the difference between mutants and mutates.
Mcu fans don’t even watch class marvel cartoons with more intelligence than mcu movies. Why will mcu do invasion, is that not what avengers is? And avengers are some of the worst Hollywood movies hated by many film makers and other comic fans for the lack of real story telling.
Mutants should be introduced like the comics, they have always been there. The introduction is not the problem, it is the usesless and superficial and dumbed down way mcu will handle it that will be the problem.
The MCU cant nail xmen perfectly, if they could then their spiderman wont be as bad. Remember what they did with spideman, he is not the average kid with issues like sam raimi portrayed him, he is an avengers fanboy backed up by tony stark. Disney also destroyed star wars they nailed it to the ground so mcu cant nail xmen after failing to nail star wars and Spiderman. Logic please
MCU has done similar stuff that has some xmen parallels. Age of ultron and black panther. We already have xmen versions of the films that are superior. First class and days of future past. so how will they nail xmen?
mcu xmen will be bad, how bad is it is what will be a good discussion now. you can settle for last jedi mythology bad, black panther generic bad, or homecoming childish bad. pick and choose.
dont ever put spiderman 2, X2 or star wars: a new hope to the disney-mcu stuff. same goes for mcu xmen. People hate mediocrity. its a natural law. sorry.
this is what I mean when you bring nothing to the conversation. When Asked how could/would Marvel Studios bring X-men in to the MCU. Instead of brain storming ways, letting a little wonder into the conversation your answer will always be. They shouldn't. They'll ruin it. Even if it doesn't matter what we think, discuss, wonder, enjoy in community with each other. THAT'S the point you are missing. Nothing we say, do, or discuss as an individual matters. Us as an individual unless we are creators in hollywood will ever effect the movies. As a whole community we do have power, but that's not the point. We are here to create a small subset of that community. At least most are here for that purpose. The problem I see is that you aren't. You could have the best earth shattering idea to share with us on how it could be pulled off. An idea that we would all love to hear, but your answer will always be. It shouldn't be done. I hate Marvel Studios and their product. Also my discussions of Mutate's vs Mutants was bringing in real world discussions I've had with guy who plays the Monk in my DnD campaign. He graduated with a degree in Biology and Organic Chemistry. Even with arguing with you who is basically a Null state. I still try to bring a sense of creating and sharing. Lets take it slow. If your powers are derived by non-mystical means, then it has to come from your Biology. Every thing in your biology can be traced to your Genetic and Epigenetic structure. If you inherit a genetic mutation from your parents that combine to make you have a power you would be a Mutant. You have a chance to pass that along to your kids or at least them being a carrier. If you have something done to you that changes your genetic structure to give you powers and it effects your sex cells you to can pass it along. One is a NATURAL MUTATION one isn't. Here's the thing it doesn't matter if you inherit your mutations or the mutation happens to you (a mutation literally means the permanent alteration of the nucleotide sequence of the genome of an organism, virus, or extrachromosomal DNA or other genetic elements.) One cause is Radiation. It causes genetic mutations in your body everyday, but our body naturally deals with most. Detecting the fucked up genetic code in a cell and ordering the cell to commit suicide.Usually when it cant = CANCER. (mutations come from a host of different places some just copying errors that just happen out of the blue) So whats the difference between you getting a favorable mutation from natural radiation and say being splashed with main made sludge? If it doesn't kill you and some how creates a favorable change in your genetic structure or how your genetic structure is expressed (epigenetics) both are still technically a mutation by definition. Now using in world definitions Mutates and Mutants are seen as different. I understand this, but from a purely scientific stanpoint it's a moot point. Change to genetic structure coming natural selection eventually creating the X-gene to give powers. Is no different than Chemicals change your normal non X-gene having ass giving you powers. The only difference would be if your Mutated Gene's not effecting your Sex producing cells. If somehow those stay normal then there is a barrier to passing it on. Now that can be done with Crispr we can cause man made genetic changes without going pass that barrier. Infact it is illegal in most countries. In China we just had a doctor break protocol and created a child with hopefully HIV resistance because he used Crispr to delete a gene that the Retrovirus uses in it's replication process when it enters your body. He did this to an embryo. So that genetic change will be in the stem cells that will eventually become that childs testes or ovaries. Meaning most likely that child will pass on that genetic change. That Child would be a MUTATE. But physically they are no different that the very small set of MUTANTS that don't have that gene naturally. You are supposed to have that gene. See this is how discussion works. Normally, this is the joy of the comic/nerd culture. Discussing possibilities, real world applications/definitions. It's done without snark between open individuals. You don't get to participate because you are always at the NULL state. So why don't you save everyone the time and just post the same exact message every time instead of us having to read your different variations of the same answer. Marvel Studios Sucks. XMU is Better. Marvel Studios will never make anything I like. Therefore we shouldn't discuss anything about it. I haven't read one message of yours that has ever not been that statement. Not one. Even when talking about other movies you still put this statement into your post. Each one of us who reply to you, falsely have the hope that you will actually bring something to the discussion. A hope you dash in every single post you ever make. I got this from a book called comic movies for dummies.1. Bringing xmen to the mcu will be superficial. That is mcu track record. Perhaps more superficial than Spiderman’s introduction?
2. The discussion of mutants vs mutates can be applied to black panther and see how supercritical that was handled in terms of applying it to the real world. Even james mcvoy doubts mcu can really pull it off. From him to use the mutants are ghettoised Wow. Is Luke cage an mcu movie?
3. Mutants vs mutates is a complex topic, mcu does do complex, infact some marvel fans predict mcu wont make mutants hated or feared because it spoils the cinematic appeal and make it more serious. All what you are saying is cute but mcu can do that in their films. Want to see a mutant becoming a mutant X-Men 3. Angel sheeding his skin with blood everywhere.
This scene in X3 will never make it into a mcu movie talk of having to now talk about it meaning the actual main plot of the film. Your comments make me think of the xmen classic saga called gifted. Ironically it was written by joss whedon. A man who disliked his own avengers movies, That story line Disney cant adapt it. there is the discussion.
MCU XMEN will suck. How much sucking is what you seem to be trying to control. Not my problem.
mutates = artificially enhanced by external circumstances
mutants= born that way.
so am guessing mcu wont make that difference to make mutants fit more. now can we discuss why that is already the worst xmen movie ever?
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 24, 2019 9:48:42 GMT
MCU cant nail xmen perfectly. I will let their factual shallow take on spiderman and star wars as proof.
I thought the fight was already won, see the backlash right now with black panther and the genre? The final prove of the mcu bias and Disney's abuse of power? This should have been a time for celebration for the genre but the genre is now even more than a joke freak than to the MCU. Usually when have I ever be wrong. poor mcu fans.
So you never read marvel comics? The difference between mutant and mutates as said already has to do more with race and genetics. Mutants are hated and feared because people are scared of them of feel they are special aka the way people feel about jews being the chosen race or the way people feel that blacks are generically handicapped.
Mutates are still normal people who get their power by accident nOT genetic heritage. You cant compare capitan America, Spiderman to mutants. Captain America is more like an athlete on drugs. Also did you watch the xmen tas episode when Spiderman even tells the xmen he does not want to be a freak like them? watch the full episdoe, spiderman tells us the difference between mutants and mutates.
Mcu fans don’t even watch class marvel cartoons with more intelligence than mcu movies. Why will mcu do invasion, is that not what avengers is? And avengers are some of the worst Hollywood movies hated by many film makers and other comic fans for the lack of real story telling.
Mutants should be introduced like the comics, they have always been there. The introduction is not the problem, it is the usesless and superficial and dumbed down way mcu will handle it that will be the problem.
The MCU cant nail xmen perfectly, if they could then their spiderman wont be as bad. Remember what they did with spideman, he is not the average kid with issues like sam raimi portrayed him, he is an avengers fanboy backed up by tony stark. Disney also destroyed star wars they nailed it to the ground so mcu cant nail xmen after failing to nail star wars and Spiderman. Logic please
MCU has done similar stuff that has some xmen parallels. Age of ultron and black panther. We already have xmen versions of the films that are superior. First class and days of future past. so how will they nail xmen?
mcu xmen will be bad, how bad is it is what will be a good discussion now. you can settle for last jedi mythology bad, black panther generic bad, or homecoming childish bad. pick and choose.
dont ever put spiderman 2, X2 or star wars: a new hope to the disney-mcu stuff. same goes for mcu xmen. People hate mediocrity. its a natural law. sorry.
this is what I mean when you bring nothing to the conversation. When Asked how could/would Marvel Studios bring X-men in to the MCU. Instead of brain storming ways, letting a little wonder into the conversation your answer will always be. They shouldn't. They'll ruin it. Even if it doesn't matter what we think, discuss, wonder, enjoy in community with each other. THAT'S the point you are missing. Nothing we say, do, or discuss as an individual matters. Us as an individual unless we are creators in hollywood will ever effect the movies. As a whole community we do have power, but that's not the point. We are here to create a small subset of that community. At least most are here for that purpose. The problem I see is that you aren't. You could have the best earth shattering idea to share with us on how it could be pulled off. An idea that we would all love to hear, but your answer will always be. It shouldn't be done. I hate Marvel Studios and their product. Also my discussions of Mutate's vs Mutants was bringing in real world discussions I've had with guy who plays the Monk in my DnD campaign. He graduated with a degree in Biology and Organic Chemistry. Even with arguing with you who is basically a Null state. I still try to bring a sense of creating and sharing. Lets take it slow. If your powers are derived by non-mystical means, then it has to come from your Biology. Every thing in your biology can be traced to your Genetic and Epigenetic structure. If you inherit a genetic mutation from your parents that combine to make you have a power you would be a Mutant. You have a chance to pass that along to your kids or at least them being a carrier. If you have something done to you that changes your genetic structure to give you powers and it effects your sex cells you to can pass it along. One is a NATURAL MUTATION one isn't. Here's the thing it doesn't matter if you inherit your mutations or the mutation happens to you (a mutation literally means the permanent alteration of the nucleotide sequence of the genome of an organism, virus, or extrachromosomal DNA or other genetic elements.) One cause is Radiation. It causes genetic mutations in your body everyday, but our body naturally deals with most. Detecting the fucked up genetic code in a cell and ordering the cell to commit suicide.Usually when it cant = CANCER. (mutations come from a host of different places some just copying errors that just happen out of the blue) So whats the difference between you getting a favorable mutation from natural radiation and say being splashed with main made sludge? If it doesn't kill you and some how creates a favorable change in your genetic structure or how your genetic structure is expressed (epigenetics) both are still technically a mutation by definition. Now using in world definitions Mutates and Mutants are seen as different. I understand this, but from a purely scientific stanpoint it's a moot point. Change to genetic structure coming natural selection eventually creating the X-gene to give powers. Is no different than Chemicals change your normal non X-gene having ass giving you powers. The only difference would be if your Mutated Gene's not effecting your Sex producing cells. If somehow those stay normal then there is a barrier to passing it on. Now that can be done with Crispr we can cause man made genetic changes without going pass that barrier. Infact it is illegal in most countries. In China we just had a doctor break protocol and created a child with hopefully HIV resistance because he used Crispr to delete a gene that the Retrovirus uses in it's replication process when it enters your body. He did this to an embryo. So that genetic change will be in the stem cells that will eventually become that childs testes or ovaries. Meaning most likely that child will pass on that genetic change. That Child would be a MUTATE. But physically they are no different that the very small set of MUTANTS that don't have that gene naturally. You are supposed to have that gene. See this is how discussion works. Normally, this is the joy of the comic/nerd culture. Discussing possibilities, real world applications/definitions. It's done without snark between open individuals. You don't get to participate because you are always at the NULL state. So why don't you save everyone the time and just post the same exact message every time instead of us having to read your different variations of the same answer. Marvel Studios Sucks. XMU is Better. Marvel Studios will never make anything I like. Therefore we shouldn't discuss anything about it. I haven't read one message of yours that has ever not been that statement. Not one. Even when talking about other movies you still put this statement into your post. Each one of us who reply to you, falsely have the hope that you will actually bring something to the discussion. A hope you dash in every single post you ever make. I think, for the most part, it's what those characters do with those powers. Most Mutants only get a physical change and not cool powers. Mutates are created to be a superhero or villain. Mutants are just people that are there. Mutates get out there and do something and become favorable to the public (unless propaganda hits them, e.g. Spider-man). The X-men are activists and publicly Mutants. Fighting for Mutant rights that can be seen by non-Mutants as being against them. They then destroy a neighborhood or city or something in a huge fight. Hell, even bad Mutants like Magneto do what they do in the name of Mutants. And that doesn't help when the X-men put Magneto on their team every once in a while. They don't make an announcement that they are trying to reform him. He just pops up with them. Juggernaut? Sabertooth? Mystique? A bunch of villains pop up on the teams. At least the Avengers put Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch on their team in an announcement and they stay heroes (for the most part). Yes, the Mutates do screw up, but they fix it publicly and gain the public's favor again.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 24, 2019 10:38:58 GMT
Lets take it slow. If your powers are derived by non-mystical means, then it has to come from your Biology. Every thing in your biology can be traced to your Genetic and Epigenetic structure. If you inherit a genetic mutation from your parents that combine to make you have a power you would be a Mutant. You have a chance to pass that along to your kids or at least them being a carrier. If you have something done to you that changes your genetic structure to give you powers and it effects your sex cells you to can pass it along. One is a NATURAL MUTATION one isn't. Neither are natural. One is a acute mutation and the other is a chronic mutation. The odds of a mutate having their sex cells impacted is rare. The thing is, someone random getting splashed with toxic sludge or radioactive gamma rays does not lead them to become a different species. Sure they may have a different genetic structure slightly from a baseline human like a person born with 6 fingers, and their offspring may inherit a small genetic defect but that individual and future offspring are still homo sapiens. Mutants like the X-men are a different species and from birth they are predisposed to have the mutant X gene that normal mutates will not possess. Homo Sapiens then become the new Neanderthal's and are at risk of having their native population implode. In China right now they have a mother who is carrying the 2nd ever gene edited baby. You can bet itll be treated differently when he/she grows up. Mainly by religious people in the fear that this gene edited child is the next stage of human development.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 24, 2019 10:54:46 GMT
this is what I mean when you bring nothing to the conversation. When Asked how could/would Marvel Studios bring X-men in to the MCU. Instead of brain storming ways, letting a little wonder into the conversation your answer will always be. They shouldn't. They'll ruin it. Even if it doesn't matter what we think, discuss, wonder, enjoy in community with each other. THAT'S the point you are missing. Nothing we say, do, or discuss as an individual matters. Us as an individual unless we are creators in hollywood will ever effect the movies. As a whole community we do have power, but that's not the point. We are here to create a small subset of that community. At least most are here for that purpose. The problem I see is that you aren't. You could have the best earth shattering idea to share with us on how it could be pulled off. An idea that we would all love to hear, but your answer will always be. It shouldn't be done. I hate Marvel Studios and their product. Also my discussions of Mutate's vs Mutants was bringing in real world discussions I've had with guy who plays the Monk in my DnD campaign. He graduated with a degree in Biology and Organic Chemistry. Even with arguing with you who is basically a Null state. I still try to bring a sense of creating and sharing. Lets take it slow. If your powers are derived by non-mystical means, then it has to come from your Biology. Every thing in your biology can be traced to your Genetic and Epigenetic structure. If you inherit a genetic mutation from your parents that combine to make you have a power you would be a Mutant. You have a chance to pass that along to your kids or at least them being a carrier. If you have something done to you that changes your genetic structure to give you powers and it effects your sex cells you to can pass it along. One is a NATURAL MUTATION one isn't. Here's the thing it doesn't matter if you inherit your mutations or the mutation happens to you (a mutation literally means the permanent alteration of the nucleotide sequence of the genome of an organism, virus, or extrachromosomal DNA or other genetic elements.) One cause is Radiation. It causes genetic mutations in your body everyday, but our body naturally deals with most. Detecting the fucked up genetic code in a cell and ordering the cell to commit suicide.Usually when it cant = CANCER. (mutations come from a host of different places some just copying errors that just happen out of the blue) So whats the difference between you getting a favorable mutation from natural radiation and say being splashed with main made sludge? If it doesn't kill you and some how creates a favorable change in your genetic structure or how your genetic structure is expressed (epigenetics) both are still technically a mutation by definition. Now using in world definitions Mutates and Mutants are seen as different. I understand this, but from a purely scientific stanpoint it's a moot point. Change to genetic structure coming natural selection eventually creating the X-gene to give powers. Is no different than Chemicals change your normal non X-gene having ass giving you powers. The only difference would be if your Mutated Gene's not effecting your Sex producing cells. If somehow those stay normal then there is a barrier to passing it on. Now that can be done with Crispr we can cause man made genetic changes without going pass that barrier. Infact it is illegal in most countries. In China we just had a doctor break protocol and created a child with hopefully HIV resistance because he used Crispr to delete a gene that the Retrovirus uses in it's replication process when it enters your body. He did this to an embryo. So that genetic change will be in the stem cells that will eventually become that childs testes or ovaries. Meaning most likely that child will pass on that genetic change. That Child would be a MUTATE. But physically they are no different that the very small set of MUTANTS that don't have that gene naturally. You are supposed to have that gene. See this is how discussion works. Normally, this is the joy of the comic/nerd culture. Discussing possibilities, real world applications/definitions. It's done without snark between open individuals. You don't get to participate because you are always at the NULL state. So why don't you save everyone the time and just post the same exact message every time instead of us having to read your different variations of the same answer. Marvel Studios Sucks. XMU is Better. Marvel Studios will never make anything I like. Therefore we shouldn't discuss anything about it. I haven't read one message of yours that has ever not been that statement. Not one. Even when talking about other movies you still put this statement into your post. Each one of us who reply to you, falsely have the hope that you will actually bring something to the discussion. A hope you dash in every single post you ever make. I think, for the most part, it's what those characters do with those powers. Most Mutants only get a physical change and not cool powers. Mutates are created to be a superhero or villain. Mutants are just people that are there. Mutates get out there and do something and become favorable to the public (unless propaganda hits them, e.g. Spider-man). The X-men are activists and publicly Mutants. Fighting for Mutant rights that can be seen by non-Mutants as being against them. They then destroy a neighborhood or city or something in a huge fight. Hell, even bad Mutants like Magneto do what they do in the name of Mutants. And that doesn't help when the X-men put Magneto on their team every once in a while. They don't make an announcement that they are trying to reform him. He just pops up with them. Juggernaut? Sabertooth? Mystique? A bunch of villains pop up on the teams. At least the Avengers put Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch on their team in an announcement and they stay heroes (for the most part). Yes, the Mutates do screw up, but they fix it publicly and gain the public's favor again. Yeah publicly teaming up with known terrorist prolly does hurt your reputation of the X-men. Never really thought about it that way. This all started from a conversation where my friend who isn't a comics guy really. He's a Computer/Science and oddly Spiritual/Fantasy/Lotr guy. He does watch the movies with us, tho. He brought up the basic problem that a Mutate is still a Mutant it would just be a side note on where the Mutation came from. He's a little peeved at me right now. His War Priest (monk) just was turned by a Dampeel. I wasn't going to choose his character but it made the most sense.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 24, 2019 11:09:53 GMT
Lets take it slow. If your powers are derived by non-mystical means, then it has to come from your Biology. Every thing in your biology can be traced to your Genetic and Epigenetic structure. If you inherit a genetic mutation from your parents that combine to make you have a power you would be a Mutant. You have a chance to pass that along to your kids or at least them being a carrier. If you have something done to you that changes your genetic structure to give you powers and it effects your sex cells you to can pass it along. One is a NATURAL MUTATION one isn't. Neither are natural. One is a acute mutation and the other is a chronic mutation. The odds of a mutate having their sex cells impacted is rare. The thing is, someone random getting splashed with toxic sludge or radioactive gamma rays does not lead them to become a different species. Sure they may have a different genetic structure slightly from a baseline human like a person born with 6 fingers, and their offspring may inherit a small genetic defect but that individual and future offspring are still homo sapiens. Mutants like the X-men are a different species and from birth they are predisposed to have the mutant X gene that normal mutates will not possess. Homo Sapiens then become the new Neanderthal's and are at risk of having their native population implode. In China right now they have a mother who is carrying the 2nd ever gene edited baby. You can bet itll be treated differently when he/she grows up. Mainly by religious people in the fear that this gene edited child is the next stage of human development. I'm not the Biologist just a fan of sciences. I could bring up points to him. My lay person's opinion? I still would consider by strictest definition a Mutate would still be a Mutant, but not Mutant as Homo Superior. Well just like us Westerners with our ability to drink Milk comfortably after infanthood are Mutants to the main population. As still most of the worlds population doesn't have the ability. In the purely Hypothetical situation if an Alien Species edited the Westerns to have that ability wouldn't really make a difference we would be Mutants and Mutates at the same time. Again still the same species though. You would still think that the population, unless they knew a powered individual back story, would there be enough Mutates in the population for them to assume that they were Mutates not Mutants. Just seems that with a new species emerging most would assume natural causes instead of freak accident or what not. Your last comment is really true. I feel sorry for the kids. They never asked for this. Which if you think about it no matter where changes come from something forced or something natural people will hate and fear the different no matter what. And how mistrusting people are even if there were powered people natural or unnatural just them being different even if they were a boyscout and did everything right there would be a large part of the population that would fear and mistrust them at the very least no how many times they helped out mankind. Could you imagine the politicization of every action or inaction of a powered person would go through in our reality?
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Post by summers8 on Jan 24, 2019 11:28:16 GMT
Neither are natural. One is a acute mutation and the other is a chronic mutation. The odds of a mutate having their sex cells impacted is rare. The thing is, someone random getting splashed with toxic sludge or radioactive gamma rays does not lead them to become a different species. Sure they may have a different genetic structure slightly from a baseline human like a person born with 6 fingers, and their offspring may inherit a small genetic defect but that individual and future offspring are still homo sapiens. Mutants like the X-men are a different species and from birth they are predisposed to have the mutant X gene that normal mutates will not possess. Homo Sapiens then become the new Neanderthal's and are at risk of having their native population implode. In China right now they have a mother who is carrying the 2nd ever gene edited baby. You can bet itll be treated differently when he/she grows up. Mainly by religious people in the fear that this gene edited child is the next stage of human development. I'm not the Biologist just a fan of sciences. I could bring up points to him. My lay person's opinion? I still would consider by strictest definition a Mutate would still be a Mutant, but not Mutant as Homo Superior. Well just like us Westerners with our ability to drink Milk comfortably after infanthood are Mutants to the main population. As still most of the worlds population doesn't have the ability. In the purely Hypothetical situation if an Alien Species edited the Westerns to have that ability wouldn't really make a difference we would be Mutants and Mutates at the same time. Again still the same species though. You would still think that the population, unless they knew a powered individual back story, would there be enough Mutates in the population for them to assume that they were Mutates not Mutants. Just seems that with a new species emerging most would assume natural causes instead of freak accident or what not. Your last comment is really true. I feel sorry for the kids. They never asked for this. Which if you think about it no matter where changes come from something forced or something natural people will hate and fear the different no matter what. And how mistrusting people are even if there were powered people natural or unnatural just them being different even if they were a boyscout and did everything right there would be a large part of the population that would fear and mistrust them at the very least no how many times they helped out mankind. Could you imagine the politicization of every action or inaction of a powered person would go through in our reality? so in general u think mcu should rewrite the concept of mutants for their movies and not use the source material. make it better for the mcu not better for the themes of xmen and the mythlogy?
and u say i should not say mcu sucks?
have u seen this iconic marvel poster? at a time where disney uses their movies as a kids advertisment. this is what xmen was doing.
does this look mcu related? one of the kid is a mutant. the others can be mutates but like spiderman wont have to register under the mutant registration act.
bottom line mutates and mutants should have nothing to do with eachother. stop tryng to make it happen so mcu can look less idiotic.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 24, 2019 11:45:37 GMT
I'm not the Biologist just a fan of sciences. I could bring up points to him. My lay person's opinion? I still would consider by strictest definition a Mutate would still be a Mutant, but not Mutant as Homo Superior. Well just like us Westerners with our ability to drink Milk comfortably after infanthood are Mutants to the main population. As still most of the worlds population doesn't have the ability. In the purely Hypothetical situation if an Alien Species edited the Westerns to have that ability wouldn't really make a difference we would be Mutants and Mutates at the same time. Again still the same species though. You would still think that the population, unless they knew a powered individual back story, would there be enough Mutates in the population for them to assume that they were Mutates not Mutants. Just seems that with a new species emerging most would assume natural causes instead of freak accident or what not. Your last comment is really true. I feel sorry for the kids. They never asked for this. Which if you think about it no matter where changes come from something forced or something natural people will hate and fear the different no matter what. And how mistrusting people are even if there were powered people natural or unnatural just them being different even if they were a boyscout and did everything right there would be a large part of the population that would fear and mistrust them at the very least no how many times they helped out mankind. Could you imagine the politicization of every action or inaction of a powered person would go through in our reality? so in general u think mcu should rewrite the concept of mutants for their movies and not use the source material. make it better for the mcu not better for the themes of xmen and the mythlogy?
and u say i should not say mcu sucks?
have u seen this iconic marvel poster? at a time where disney uses their movies as a kids advertisment. this is what xmen was doing.
does this look mcu related? one of the kid is a mutant. the others can be mutates but like spiderman wont have to register under the mutant registration act.
bottom line mutates and mutants should have nothing to do with eachother. stop tryng to make it happen so mcu can look less idiotic.
I don't care if you personally think the MCU sucks. I care that you repeat the same thing ad nauseum. It was one Idea of how it could happen. That was it. You know one person just spit balling to get others to give ideas. You don't want ideas your main thesis is. Marvel Studios product sucks. You don't like them. And we shouldn't discuss anything about it other than how much it sucks, who you think also thinks it sucks, what people on the internet that think it sucks. That's it. You have been asking for logic lately. Logically, You are a Mutant Hating character in the Marvel Universe. You think they all should be rounded up and gassed. In fact you have personally killed a weak mutant and got away with it. One with superficial mutation that didn't really do anything. You turn the corner and you see a female floating 6 inches above the ground. As that character are you going to assume she's a Mutate or Mutant? Would you really care?
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Post by summers8 on Jan 24, 2019 12:02:58 GMT
so in general u think mcu should rewrite the concept of mutants for their movies and not use the source material. make it better for the mcu not better for the themes of xmen and the mythlogy?
and u say i should not say mcu sucks?
have u seen this iconic marvel poster? at a time where disney uses their movies as a kids advertisment. this is what xmen was doing.
does this look mcu related? one of the kid is a mutant. the others can be mutates but like spiderman wont have to register under the mutant registration act.
bottom line mutates and mutants should have nothing to do with eachother. stop tryng to make it happen so mcu can look less idiotic.
I don't care if you personally think the MCU sucks. I care that you repeat the same thing ad nauseum. It was one Idea of how it could happen. That was it. You know one person just spit balling to get others to give ideas. You don't want ideas your main thesis is. Marvel Studios product sucks. You don't like them. And we shouldn't discuss anything about it other than how much it sucks, who you think also thinks it sucks, what people on the internet that think it sucks. That's it. You have been asking for logic lately. Logically, You are a Mutant Hating character in the Marvel Universe. You think they all should be rounded up and gassed. In fact you have personally killed a weak mutant and got away with it. One with superficial mutation that didn't really do anything. You turn the corner and you see a female floating 6 inches above the ground. As that character are you going to assume she's a Mutate or Mutant? Would you really care? the idea of how it could happen. have you at least tried to read a marvel comic?
let me make it people. most people that wanted xmen separated was because so the issue can be better. in the comics xmen were still secluded as the theme worked better.
the logic will be mutants have always been there but now they are causing trouble in the mcu than the world (mcu) resiles these people are genetics not like a civil war thing and u take things from there. infact if mcu was smart, the logic is... now that the jokey avengers nonsense is over with avengers end game, there is a bigger danger to deal with because the mutants are born that way meaning you can sweet talk them like iron man tried to do in civil war, it is a lot more complicated.
that is how it should be done. but mcu wont do that. you can sell enough toys with that. that is what sucks,
let that poster sink in, to tell you just how much xmen made people think and why mcu is seen as kiddie garbage. eat that when mcu xmen is disgraced for failing to take on the concept of what that poster was showing.
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