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Post by captainbryce on Jan 11, 2019 2:22:02 GMT
Do any of the Christians here actually believe that people can be healed through the power of prayer?
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Post by Cody™ on Jan 11, 2019 2:27:56 GMT
Yes.
I personally know people who have been healed after being prayed for. One of them is a family member.
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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 2:36:29 GMT
Yes. I personally know people who have been healed after being prayed for. One of them is a family member. Obvious question. How do you know it was the prayer and that they wouldn't have got better anyway, as most people do. Ask any GP. There are certain cases of serious illness which require medical intervention and the rest ( the majority) people get better over time, though it might take longer, be more painful or uncomfortable or leave scarring of some type. There have been specific studies on the power of prayer and they were conclusive that it had no effect. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 11, 2019 2:39:30 GMT
Yes. I personally know people who have been healed after being prayed for. One of them is a family member. Obvious question. How do you know it was the prayer and that they wouldn't have got better anyway, as most people do. Ask any GP. There are certain cases of serious illness which require medical intervention and the rest ( the majority) people get better over time, though it might take longer, be more painful or uncomfortable or leave scarring of some type. There have been specific studies on the power of prayer and they were conclusive that it had no effect. I conducted a study of heart transplants and found there were no believable pictures. You still haven't any, btw. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 11, 2019 2:44:48 GMT
It's not something that would be expected of God as a typical blessing, so it'll be easier to just say no.
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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 2:45:44 GMT
Obvious question. How do you know it was the prayer and that they wouldn't have got better anyway, as most people do. Ask any GP. There are certain cases of serious illness which require medical intervention and the rest ( the majority) people get better over time, though it might take longer, be more painful or uncomfortable or leave scarring of some type. There have been specific studies on the power of prayer and they were conclusive that it had no effect. I conducted a study of heart transplants and found there were no believable pictures. You still haven't any, btw. What would a picture of a heart transplant prove? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 11, 2019 2:50:07 GMT
I conducted a study of heart transplants and found there were no believable pictures. You still haven't any, btw. What would a picture of a heart transplant prove? Somebody was there when it happened. It's an art now, don't you know? With modern computer technology faking pictures is much easier. Still, high quality video is much more convincing than no pictures at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 2:58:39 GMT
Yes. I personally know people who have been healed after being prayed for. One of them is a family member. "Healed through the power of prayer" and "healed after being prayed for" are two very different things. |
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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 3:01:03 GMT
What would a picture of a heart transplant prove? Somebody was there when it happened. It's an art now, don't you know? With modern computer technology faking pictures is much easier. Still, high quality video is much more convincing than no pictures at all. You are so insane that I feel I am answering you because it is like looking at a train wreck! In real life, I have a 'friend' ( actually my son-in-law's best friend ) who has had an actual heart lung transplant. That you ( admittedly a senile loserish nut job as the Dunning Kruger effect poster boy ) disbelieve that it really happened, is kind of weird. You may or may not believe this particular instance as we are both on the internet and it is only my word that this is the case, is almost excusable, despite me assuring you that he was nearly dead and it now well as a result of the operation, working and with a wife and new baby as a result of that amazing surgery..... HOWEVER that you deny that ANY heart transplant surgery has happened world wide because I don't have a photo of my friend and that you can't seem to find 'real' photos of heart transplants which would convince you that the phenomenon was real...…. IS LOONY TUNES you total loser. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 11, 2019 3:05:14 GMT
Somebody was there when it happened. It's an art now, don't you know? With modern computer technology faking pictures is much easier. Still, high quality video is much more convincing than no pictures at all. You are so insane that I feel I am answering you because it is like looking at a train wreck! In real life, I have a 'friend' ( actually my son-in-law's best friend ) who has had an actual heart lung transplant. That you ( admittedly a senile loserish nut job as the Dunning Kruger effect poster boy ) disbelieve that it really happened, is kind of weird. You may or may not believe this particular instance as we are both on the internet and it is only my word that this is the case, is almost excusable, despite me assuring you that he was nearly dead and it now well as a result of the operation, working and with a wife and new baby as a result of that amazing surgery..... HOWEVER that you deny that ANY heart transplant surgery has happened world wide because I don't have a photo of my friend and that you can't seem to find 'real' photos of heart transplants which would convince you that the phenomenon was real...…. IS LOONY TUNES you total loser. Not that other people who think as I do prove anything, but "pictures or it didn't happen" is not my phrase. It is a common response to questionable claims. |
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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 3:10:34 GMT
You are so insane that I feel I am answering you because it is like looking at a train wreck! In real life, I have a 'friend' ( actually my son-in-law's best friend ) who has had an actual heart lung transplant. That you ( admittedly a senile loserish nut job as the Dunning Kruger effect poster boy ) disbelieve that it really happened, is kind of weird. You may or may not believe this particular instance as we are both on the internet and it is only my word that this is the case, is almost excusable, despite me assuring you that he was nearly dead and it now well as a result of the operation, working and with a wife and new baby as a result of that amazing surgery..... HOWEVER that you deny that ANY heart transplant surgery has happened world wide because I don't have a photo of my friend and that you can't seem to find 'real' photos of heart transplants which would convince you that the phenomenon was real...…. IS LOONY TUNES you total loser. Not that other people who think as I do prove anything, but "pictures or it didn't happen" is not my phrase. It is a common response to questionable claims. 'QUESTIONABLE CLAIMS? That transplants don't happen? |
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Post by Cody™ on Jan 11, 2019 3:24:13 GMT
Yes. I personally know people who have been healed after being prayed for. One of them is a family member. "Healed through the power of prayer" and "healed after being prayed for" are two very different things. In many cases it could be coincidence of course and the actual prayer had nothing to do with it. Let me share a little testimony, nothing too major but see what you think. My older brother, who is more of a traditional Catholic, had a lump the size of a small marble that had developed between his ring finger and pinkie. It had been there for around 6–7 years, he’d never been to the GP to get it checked up but it was relatively painless so never really bothered him too much. One evening he was relaxing in his living room and started browsing the religion channels. On one particular channel the preacher asked the audience at home to place their hand on any part of their body that they felt required healing. My brother sceptically(he thinks most of those faith healers are frauds and con artists) placed his hand on the lump as the preacher began to pray. Anyway once the pastor was done he didn’t really think anything of it and pretty much changed channel immediately after. Now I can’t remember if it was the next day or the day after that. Wasn’t more than 48 hours I know that, he noticed the lump had completely disseappered. So what do you reckon? Was it the power of prayer? Or just an incredible coincidence? |
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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 3:30:38 GMT
"Healed through the power of prayer" and "healed after being prayed for" are two very different things. In many cases it could be coincidence of course and the actual prayer had nothing to do with it. Let me share a little testimony, nothing too major but see what you think. My older brother, who is more of a traditional Catholic, had a lump the size of a small marble that had developed between his ring finger and pinkie. It had been there for around 6–7 years, he’d never been to the GP to get it checked up but it was relatively painless so never really bothered him too much. One evening he was relaxing in his living room and started browsing the religion channels. On one particular channel the preacher asked the audience at home to place their hand on any part of their body that they felt required healing. My brother sceptically(he thinks most of those faith healers are frauds and con artists) placed his hand on the lump as the preacher began to pray. Anyway once the pastor was done he didn’t really think anything of it and pretty much changed channel immediately after. Now I can’t remember if it was the next day or the day after that. Wasn’t more than 48 hours I know that, he noticed the lump had completely disseappered. So what do you reckon? Was it the power of prayer? Or just an incredible coincidence? Seriously, and I am not mocking you...the fact that he had not had the lump diagnosed means that it could have been anything. I am not doctor, butt there are many 'lumps' that can spontaneously disappear. Ganglions and many other physical phenomenon can be like this. I admit it is curious, however not worth a 'prayer miracle' diagnosis.IMHO |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 11, 2019 3:35:37 GMT
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Post by Cody™ on Jan 11, 2019 3:39:07 GMT
I know what a placebo is. Trust me these cases were not the result of mere placebo effects. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 3:42:05 GMT
"Healed through the power of prayer" and "healed after being prayed for" are two very different things. In many cases it could be coincidence of course and the actual prayer had nothing to do with it. Indeed. And it could be so in every case, too. It would be foolish to base such a belief on a single event. 'Post hoc, ergo propter hoc' is a thing for a reason. And it would be foolish in the extreme to base it on a single anecdote. But studies have been done on the effectiveness of prayer in medical treatments and cures. Many of them. They find that it has no discernible effect. |
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Post by Cody™ on Jan 11, 2019 3:48:48 GMT
In many cases it could be coincidence of course and the actual prayer had nothing to do with it. Indeed. And it could be so in every case, too. It would be foolish to base such a belief on a single event. 'Post hoc, ergo propter hoc' is a thing for a reason. And it would be foolish in the extreme to base it on a single anecdote.But studies have been done on the effectiveness of prayer in medical treatments and cures. Many of them. They find that it has no discernible effect. Well the lump was there for 6-7 years, the preacher prays for healing, and the lump vanishes virtually the following day. Pretty incredible coincidence don’t you think? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 3:57:20 GMT
Indeed. And it could be so in every case, too. It would be foolish to base such a belief on a single event. 'Post hoc, ergo propter hoc' is a thing for a reason. And it would be foolish in the extreme to base it on a single anecdote.But studies have been done on the effectiveness of prayer in medical treatments and cures. Many of them. They find that it has no discernible effect. Well the lump was there for 6-7 years, the preacher prays for healing, and the lump vanishes virtually the following day. Pretty incredible coincidence don’t you think? 'Post hoc, ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy that states "Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X."' Nobody can prove to you that prayer did not cause the vanishing of this lump. Nor can anybody prove to you that prayer did cause the vanishing of this lump. There simply is no evidence for either proposition. Given this, the only rational response to the question of whether prayer had an effect is "I don't know." |
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Post by Vegas on Jan 11, 2019 4:13:50 GMT
Faith healing?
Do any of the Christians here actually believe that people can be healed through the power of prayer? It's kinda pointless as I say "No" to both... but, these are kinda two separate questions. While I see nothing really ultimately wrong with praying for someone to get better... positive results would be pure coincidental... but having hope and having a hopeful outlook can be beneficial. However: There is something a tad more sinister with "faith healing".. which is usually done by a charlatan of some sort. |
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Post by Cody™ on Jan 11, 2019 4:24:01 GMT
Another testimony. Not really of the healing kind.
One evening at church towards the end of the service the pastor asked anyone who wants to be prayed for to walk to the front of the stage. I normally don’t bother as I’m not the fussy type that wants to be prayed for all the time. But I decided to walk down this time as I was feeling pretty angry due to circumstances that had occurred that particular afternoon and I felt a small prayer may help lift me spiritually. Anyway the pastor layed hands on my head and began to pray, she really started to go deep into it. As she got more and more passionate about it i started to feel this slight energy going through my body. As this was happening I could see others who were also being prayed for suddenly falling to the ground. I thought hello what’s going on here? Anyway as the others were dropping like flies around me I thought there’s no way I’m going down. I could sense the pastor getting slightly frustrated at my staying on my feet. After about 5 or so minutes, I thought that’ll do, so I just took a step back and sat on the seat behind me and just chilled.
Anyway a bit later on as I got near the exist to leave this euphoric feeling all of a sudden just swept over me. It was literally like a giant cloud had been lifted and replaced with this exhilarating joy and happiness. Bam! I felt this overwhelming peace and tranquillity. It was an amazing feeling that is hard to put into words. It lasted around 3 hours, I’d never experienced anything like it before. I think it was the Holy Spirit. It felt like I was being given a small sample of paradise.
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