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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 4:33:07 GMT
Another testimony. Not really of the healing kind. One evening at church towards the end of the service the pastor asked anyone who wants to be prayed for to walk to the front of the stage. I normally don’t bother as I’m not the fussy type that wants to be prayed for all the time. But I decided to walk down this time as I was feeling pretty angry due to circumstances that had occurred that particular afternoon and I felt a small prayer may help lift me spiritually. Anyway the pastor layed hands on my head and began to pray, she really started to go deep into it. As she got more and more passionate about it i started to feel this slight energy going through my body. As this was happening I could see others who were also being prayed for suddenly falling to the ground. I thought hello what’s going on here? Anyway as the others were dropping like flies around me I thought there’s no way I’m going down. I could sense the pastor getting slightly frustrated at my staying on my feet. After about 5 or so minutes, I thought that’ll do, so I just took a step back and sat on the seat behind me and just chilled. Anyway a bit later on as I got near the exist to leave this euphoric feeling all of a sudden just swept over me. It was literally like a giant cloud had been lifted and replaced with this exhilarating joy and happiness. Bam! I felt this overwhelming peace and tranquillity. It was an amazing feeling that is hard to put into words. It lasted around 3 hours, I’d never experienced anything like it before. I think it was the Holy Spirit. It felt like I was being given a small sample of paradise. That's nice.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 11, 2019 11:43:12 GMT
Are you forgetting? Or has it never crossed your mind? Much of the success of medical "science" can also be the result of simply having "faith" in it. Edit > Okay I just realized that might have been your point.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 11, 2019 13:50:16 GMT
Yes. I personally know people who have been healed after being prayed for. One of them is a family member. So when Muslims get healed by prayer is it through the kindness of great and merciful Allah?
Still Yes?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 11, 2019 18:04:55 GMT
Do any of the Christians here actually believe that people can be healed through the power of prayer? Naturally, it won't ever include arms and legs growing back.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 11, 2019 18:12:57 GMT
Do any of the Christians here actually believe that people can be healed through the power of prayer? Naturally, it won't ever include arms and legs growing back. why just that?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 11, 2019 18:15:18 GMT
Naturally, it won't ever include arms and legs growing back. why just that? OK then: nor ears, noses, fingers, toes, jawbones, either....
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 11, 2019 18:16:55 GMT
OK then: nor ears, noses, fingers, toes, jawbones, either.... ok
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Post by rizdek on Jan 11, 2019 18:19:10 GMT
Do any of the Christians here actually believe that people can be healed through the power of prayer? I believe people can be healed through their own power, the power of the mind, body and/or soul...no "prayer" needed, Unless prayer is broadly interpreted as anything the body or mind does in the course of the day to get something done. As in I prayed my way to work today. I prayed through breakfast. I prayed my way to recovering from a cold.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 20:01:30 GMT
I think it was the Holy Spirit. It felt like I was being given a small sample of paradise. I certainly don't doubt that prayer can make the person praying feel good.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 11, 2019 20:16:05 GMT
I think it was the Holy Spirit. It felt like I was being given a small sample of paradise. I certainly don't doubt that prayer can make the person praying feel good. ie Placebo effect
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 20:51:29 GMT
I certainly don't doubt that prayer can make the person praying feel good. ie Placebo effect Doesn't even have to be that. The body can trigger an endorphin rush which would be very much like Cody™ describes. A lot of the ASMR crowd report such things, for instance. Music, sex, all sorts of things can trigger it. It's a very real chemically driven effect on the body. I see no problem with believing that prayer can accomplish a similar effect to those kinds of things. Nothing supernatural need be invoked.
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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 21:11:26 GMT
Doesn't even have to be that. The body can trigger an endorphin rush which would be very much like Cody™ describes. A lot of the ASMR crowd report such things, for instance. Music, sex, all sorts of things can trigger it. It's a very real chemically driven effect on the body. I see no problem with believing that prayer can accomplish a similar effect to those kinds of things. Nothing supernatural need be invoked. I agree, however it becomes problematic when the people who experience this attribute it to prayer and then deny children and the elderly or infirm, regular mainstream medical treatment, because they DO invoke the supernatural 'ie 'leave it in God's hands/the will of God etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 21:14:13 GMT
Doesn't even have to be that. The body can trigger an endorphin rush which would be very much like Cody™ describes. A lot of the ASMR crowd report such things, for instance. Music, sex, all sorts of things can trigger it. It's a very real chemically driven effect on the body. I see no problem with believing that prayer can accomplish a similar effect to those kinds of things. Nothing supernatural need be invoked. I agree, however it becomes problematic when the people who experience this attribute it to prayer and then deny children and the elderly or infirm, regular mainstream medical treatment, because they DO invoke the supernatural 'ie 'leave it in God's hands/the will of God etc. Of course. As I've said, medical studies indicate that whatever prayer may or may not do, it certainly shows no sign of helping anybody with medical conditions. Denying medical care to anybody in favour of prayer is insanity.
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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 21:30:04 GMT
I agree, however it becomes problematic when the people who experience this attribute it to prayer and then deny children and the elderly or infirm, regular mainstream medical treatment, because they DO invoke the supernatural 'ie 'leave it in God's hands/the will of God etc. Of course. As I've said, medical studies indicate that whatever prayer may or may not do, it certainly shows no sign of helping anybody with medical conditions. Denying medical care to anybody in favour of prayer is insanity. The more we talk about the tenets of religion, the more it becomes obvious that the whole thing is based on ignorance. Just look at the religious /theist posters on here. Whilst there are a few with half a brain, the likes of most depend on ignorance generally for their arguments. I mean the poster children for the Dunning Kruger effect, Heeeeey and Planet Arlon and Erjenious are classic examples. It is not their fault in a way, probably owing to their respective backgrounds, except that given the opportunity to educate themselves, they are 'wilfully' ignorant. If you can use the internet these days there is NO excuse for ignorance except the wilfully, arrogant and delusional. I mean Planet Arlon seriously asked me whether ' my friend who had a heart lung transplant operation was awake for it ', otherwise there is no evidence it ever happened and he demanded pictures ( which he said could be faked anyway)! I mean you couldn't recreate/ fake this level of stupid!... and Heeeey and Erj are not far behind!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 22:16:47 GMT
The more we talk about the tenets of religion, the more it becomes obvious that the whole thing is based on ignorance. Just look at the religious /theist posters on here. Whilst there are a few with half a brain, the likes of most depend on ignorance generally for their arguments. I mean the poster children for the Dunning Kruger effect, Heeeeey and Planet Arlon and Erjenious are classic examples. It is not their fault in a way, probably owing to their respective backgrounds, except that given the opportunity to educate themselves, they are 'wilfully' ignorant. If you can use the internet these days there is NO excuse for ignorance except the wilfully, arrogant and delusional. I mean Planet Arlon seriously asked me whether ' my friend who had a heart lung transplant operation was awake for it ', otherwise there is no evidence it ever happened and he demanded pictures ( which he said could be faked anyway)! I mean you couldn't recreate/ fake this level of stupid!... and Heeeey and Erj are not far behind! We live in an era when facts are held in disdain; people more and more just believe whatever they 'feel' is true, and if the facts disagree then it's just 'elitism' or 'fake news'. Perhaps we always lived in that world, and it's only now becoming apparent.
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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 22:27:21 GMT
The more we talk about the tenets of religion, the more it becomes obvious that the whole thing is based on ignorance. Just look at the religious /theist posters on here. Whilst there are a few with half a brain, the likes of most depend on ignorance generally for their arguments. I mean the poster children for the Dunning Kruger effect, Heeeeey and Planet Arlon and Erjenious are classic examples. It is not their fault in a way, probably owing to their respective backgrounds, except that given the opportunity to educate themselves, they are 'wilfully' ignorant. If you can use the internet these days there is NO excuse for ignorance except the wilfully, arrogant and delusional. I mean Planet Arlon seriously asked me whether ' my friend who had a heart lung transplant operation was awake for it ', otherwise there is no evidence it ever happened and he demanded pictures ( which he said could be faked anyway)! I mean you couldn't recreate/ fake this level of stupid!... and Heeeey and Erj are not far behind! We live in an era when facts are held in disdain; people more and more just believe whatever they 'feel' is true, and if the facts disagree then it's just 'elitism' or 'fake news'. Perhaps we always lived in that world, and it's only now becoming apparent. I totally agree, and it is of great concern that facts and truths, learning, scholarship, research and the adding to the sum of human knowledge is being degraded by the homogenisation of human thought. It is becoming a lowest common denominator which is the aspiration of the modern individual. Where as we have the means of greater learning, it has been downgraded or 'dumbed down' for whatever reasons. Laziness, intellectual minimisation, quick news grabs, precis instead of whole reading, and the ubiquitous YouTube where ANYONE can post ANYTHING as a truth and the dumbfucks who are ignorant believe it. Just look at the rise and rise of Trump as the ultimate example of this American lead phenomenon. America has become 'trivial'!
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 12, 2019 12:23:17 GMT
Do any of the Christians here actually believe that people can be healed through the power of prayer? While I see nothing really ultimately wrong with praying for someone to get better... positive results would be pure coincidental... but having hope and having a hopeful outlook can be beneficial. However: There is something a tad more sinister with "faith healing".. which is usually done by a charlatan of some sort. Now I cannot agree more with your post. Praying for health of others is ultimately a human act. Whether it works or not it does convey that you care for others. The good feeling it spreads and the fact that it brings people together is a good thing. But I have one problem with it. The theists themselves make the issue more complicated than it needs to be. When the non-religious ask that can a limb grow back then theists should simply take the question lightly and jokingly ignore it. If I were a theist I would laugh on the non-religious who asked me such a question. I would say prayers work in a feel good way and explain how it conveys my good wishes for others and how it brings people together and makes them temporarily forget about personal problems and ask for welfare of others. It also has an effect on me as it makes me a better person by giving me good thoughts. But many theists do not reply like that. Instead they will say how once in 18th century a war was won because of intervention of god because of prayers of people. Or name any other miracle that happened in some random year like 1902 or 1763 and so on...Now that's pure stupidity and childishness. Theists should ideally have no problem in deflecting this issue but some of them create their own problem by making the case very complex.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 12, 2019 19:33:57 GMT
Why is it that ALL of faith healing spectacles involve ailments that we, as the viewer, have to take the word of the "victim" that he suffers from?
It's all "I'm deaf" "I'm blind" "I have aches" "Lookie! I use a crutch"
Why are there no amputees?
God knows they beat the "My one leg is longer than the other one" scam to death...
...and, if you were ever fooled by that illusion.. God needs to heal you... You are a retard.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 12, 2019 20:02:10 GMT
Why is it that ALL of faith healing spectacles involve ailments that we, as the viewer, have to take the word of the "victim" that he suffers from? It's all "I'm deaf" "I'm blind" "I have aches" "Lookie! I use a crutch" Why are there no amputees?God knows they beat the "My one leg is longer than the other one" scam to death... ...and, if you were ever fooled by that illusion.. God needs to heal you... You are a retard. Maybe they're just difficult to find, which is the case even with "scientific" cures also.
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Post by goz on Jan 13, 2019 0:39:28 GMT
Why is it that ALL of faith healing spectacles involve ailments that we, as the viewer, have to take the word of the "victim" that he suffers from? It's all "I'm deaf" "I'm blind" "I have aches" "Lookie! I use a crutch" Why are there no amputees?God knows they beat the "My one leg is longer than the other one" scam to death... ...and, if you were ever fooled by that illusion.. God needs to heal you... You are a retard. Maybe they're just difficult to find, which is the case even with "scientific" cures also.
There are heaps of amputees, just NONE that have EVER had a limb grow back for any reason let alone faith healing.
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