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Post by captainbryce on Jan 16, 2019 1:11:48 GMT
Why do I have to provide “examples” in order for you to answer a hypothetical? I already know that you “believe” faith healing is real in the case of Christians (even though there is no evidence it that it ever actually happens). My question is do you believe that Muslims and Hindus who pray can be healed in the same way? This type of question shouldn’t require an example to anyone capable of abstract thought. No I wouldn’t believe them, and even if I was convinced that their testimony is true I wouldn’t necessarily attribute the healing to their gods. Some other force maybe but not Allah or Vishnu. And yet, you DO attribute faith healing to the Christian god that you worship. The question is WHY? Why does your claim that people can be (and in some cases are actually) healed through prayer's to the Christian god more valid than the claims of any other faith? In fact I don’t believe many Christians who make healing claims. I can only go by personal experience on this and level of trust I place on the people making the claim. Well the question of trust you place on the person making the claim is irrelevant because you've already admitted that you wouldn't accept the claim if the person appealed to faith on behalf of a different god. Even if they were actually healed, you'd simply attribute the healing to something else, other than their god. So the issue isn't how much trust you have in the person at all, but rather how much trust you have that your faith (your god) is the only one that actually heals people. Besides statistically faith healing happens very predominantly within Christianity. There are no such statistics that demonstrate that. What you have are statistics where Christians CLAIM that they have been healed after praying, which tells you NOTHING about whether or not they were actually healed, OR what actually caused them to be healed. Because correlation does not imply causation. So there is no evidence that any Christian has ever been "healed" as a result of prayer, anymore than there is for any other belief system. I asked for examples because I’m not aware of any such reports occurring in other religions. I’d be interested to look in to them. Faith Healing: Pakistan
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Post by captainbryce on Jan 16, 2019 1:13:28 GMT
Perhaps people in Christian countries have better health care. Unless you live in AIDS infested Uganda. Jesus doesn't seem to be doing his part in faith healing there. Maybe he doesn't like brown people?
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 16, 2019 1:35:35 GMT
Perhaps people in Christian countries have better health care. Unless you live in AIDS infested Uganda. Jesus doesn't seem to be doing his part in faith healing there. Maybe he doesn't like brown people? Perhaps faith healing only works if you have "Good AIDS"
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Jan 16, 2019 12:08:58 GMT
A devout, fundamentalist Muslim develops a serious, life-threatening illness... His chances are not good, the doctors tell him.
He prays fervently to Allah the Merciful for a return to health, so that he can provide for his family.
The man eventually recovers (some would say miraculously so). He thanks Allah profusely for His beneficence.
So, Christians, did ALLAH truly answer his prayers?
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Post by Cody™ on Jan 16, 2019 12:12:32 GMT
captainbryce Because I strongly believe the Christian God exists whereas I strongly believe Allah, Vishnu and Thor etc do not exist. So why would I credit healing occurances to non-existent entities? I cannot make it more clear than that for a dimwit like you to understand. If the healing occured right before me or if the person on the receiving end was a close friend/associate whom I knew to be a reliable person than I’d be willing to accept that a healing took place. I wouldn’t be willing to concede that it was through the power of Allah, Vishnu or Thor for the simple reason that I’m convinced they do not exist. Also not sure how you think an article about fraudulent faith healers in Pakistan helps you. I was asking for examples of documented faith healings within the Islamic or Hindu communities.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Jan 16, 2019 12:22:31 GMT
Ye old “My god is bigger (realer) than your god!” horseshit.
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Post by general313 on Jan 16, 2019 15:20:52 GMT
captainbryce Because I strongly believe the Christian God exists whereas I strongly believe Allah, Vishnu and Thor etc do not exist. So why would I credit healing occurances to non-existent entities? I cannot make it more clear than that for a dimwit like you to understand. If the healing occured right before me or if the person on the receiving end was a close friend/associate whom I knew to be a reliable person than I’d be willing to accept that a healing took place. I wouldn’t be willing to concede that it was through the power of Allah, Vishnu or Thor for the simple reason that I’m convinced they do not exist. Also not sure how you think an article about fraudulent faith healers in Pakistan helps you. I was asking for examples of documented faith healings within the Islamic or Hindu communities. The fables that my parents taught me are true. The fables that your parents taught you are false.
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Post by Cody™ on Jan 16, 2019 15:57:42 GMT
captainbryce Because I strongly believe the Christian God exists whereas I strongly believe Allah, Vishnu and Thor etc do not exist. So why would I credit healing occurances to non-existent entities? I cannot make it more clear than that for a dimwit like you to understand. If the healing occured right before me or if the person on the receiving end was a close friend/associate whom I knew to be a reliable person than I’d be willing to accept that a healing took place. I wouldn’t be willing to concede that it was through the power of Allah, Vishnu or Thor for the simple reason that I’m convinced they do not exist. Also not sure how you think an article about fraudulent faith healers in Pakistan helps you. I was asking for examples of documented faith healings within the Islamic or Hindu communities. The fables that my parents taught me are true. The fables that your parents taught you are false. Thats nice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 17:50:13 GMT
In fact I don’t believe many Christians who make healing claims. I can only go by personal experience on this and level of trust I place on the people making the claim. Not true. In fact going by personal experience and anecdotes from other people, trusted or not, is a very poor thing to base your beliefs on. Far better to base them on properly carried out scientific studies. Many of these have been done. No it doesn't. In fact statistically, people getting better in christianity happens exactly as often as other people getting better without the supposed benefits of that religion.
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Post by captainbryce on Jan 17, 2019 0:45:16 GMT
captainbryce Because I strongly believe the Christian God exists whereas I strongly believe Allah, Vishnu and Thor etc do not exist. So why would I credit healing occurrences to non-existent entities? I cannot make it more clear than that for a dimwit like you to understand. Well personal attacks aside (since you're apparently emotionally incapable of arguing any subject without them), the question isn't "why would I credit healing occurrences to non-existent entities" because that question remains unresolved. Otherwise, I could make the same argument about why nobody should accept faith healing in the name of any god. The question was what evidence do you have that your faith is anymore credible than anyone else's faith. Because what you just said was that you accept faith healings in the name of Christ as "true" because you believe in Christ, and wouldn't accept faith healings in the name of any other god as true because you don't believe in those gods. In other words, you believe BECAUSE you believe. Do you not see the circular nature of your argument? 1) Do you think that your methodology for determining which claim to accept as true is reasonable? 2) If faith a reliable path to truth? If the healing occured right before me or if the person on the receiving end was a close friend/associate whom I knew to be a reliable person than I’d be willing to accept that a healing took place. I wouldn’t be willing to concede that it was through the power of Allah, Vishnu or Thor for the simple reason that I’m convinced they do not exist. Fine, I get that. My question is, do you think that presuppositions and beliefs are a reasonable and rational methodology for determining truth? Also not sure how you think an article about fraudulent faith healers in Pakistan helps you. I was asking for examples of documented faith healings within the Islamic or Hindu communities. There is no demonstrable difference between faith healers and fraudulent faith healers in any religion. The evidence I gave you is in fact greater than the evidence you gave me (anecdotes) about someone being healed through prayers to the Christian god. The difference is, since I have the ability to evaluate these claims objectively and you don't, I believe that you and your friend actually think there was a faith healing in the name of your god. Just as I believe that these people in other religions think there was a faith healing in the name of their god. Overall, the evidence for both remains equal - ZERO! **Remember a while back when you asked me to explain to you why I said that you have the worst morals of any other poster here and how you were the poorest example of any Christian here? I purposely ignored answering that question because I knew eventually you'd end up answering it publicly yourself (whether you intended to or not).
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