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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 12, 2019 14:08:44 GMT
Alright since there's been plenty of MCU X-Men threads I figured it's time that Marvel first family get the same treatment.
So any actor or actress in mind for any particular character?
Any storyline you would like to see done?
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 12, 2019 15:12:53 GMT
Reed Richards: John Krasinski Sue Storm: Emily Blunt Johnny Storm: Joe Keery Ben Grimm: Rory McCann Dr. Doom: John Hamm Not to jump on the internet bandwagon, but I think Krasinski and real life wife Emily Blunt would be great. I think we will have to go with a fairly mundane Origin story if doing a movie which kind of sucks. I just don't see a way around it. You can get away with not having an origin story for characters like Spiderman or Batman now. Everyone knows their origins. I know we've had their Origins 2 times in last 15 years, but we still need it. I would like 5 season show with 8 episodes per season instead of a movie. And with Dr. Doom can we please get an arc for him that doesn't put him in a love triangle with Reed and Sue? I think it would subvert expectations to have Hamm play Doom. I've seen a lot of people wanting him for Reed, but I think he would work better as Doom.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 12, 2019 15:32:07 GMT
By this point everyone here probably knows my cockamamie scheme for the Fantastic Four— taylorfirst1 first came up with the concept, and I love it. As I’ve written: Unlike Vassaggo, I think it would probably work best if it were not an origin story, again to distinguish it. I don’t even need flashbacks or references, just a one-off adventure against wild ’50s b-movie threats (inject a healthy dose of Kirby’s other sci-fi team, the Challengers of the Unknown, as well). Unfortunately, I doubt Marvel would do this.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 12, 2019 16:03:10 GMT
By this point everyone here probably knows my cockamamie scheme for the Fantastic Four— taylorfirst1 first came up with the concept, and I love it. As I’ve written: Unlike Vassaggo , I think it would probably work best if it were not an origin story, again to distinguish it. I don’t even need flashbacks or references, just a one-off adventure against wild ’50s b-movie threats (inject a healthy dose of Kirby’s other sci-fi team, the Challengers of the Unknown, as well). Unfortunately, I doubt Marvel would do this. I would love it not having an Origin plot for the movie/show. I just don't think it would fly with the normies out there. I've been trying to think of an angle with out it and can't. What type of sub genre would you put it into? Ant-man = Heist Movie, Ragnarok = Buddy Road Trip movie, Homecoming = John Hughes Movie, Winter Soldier = Political Thriller, etc? I don't want to shoot down serious tone, because Josh Trank fucked up so bad. I think you have to though. I think it should be a tv show that follows the path of The Orville. It takes it's self seriously enough, but at the same time pokes fun at the genre. I think it should be more serious than The Orville is though.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 12, 2019 16:25:28 GMT
They should get Brad Bird to write & direct the Fantastic Four movie. He's already made the definitive Fantastic Four movie already with Incredibles 1 and 2. Let him have a crack at the live action version.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 12, 2019 17:54:05 GMT
As Vassaggo mentioned Brad Bird would be an excellent choice. Runners up include Justin Lin or Phil Lord & Christopher Miller. My casting choices would be: Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic - Oliver Jackson-Cohen Sue Storm/Invisible Woman - Lily James Johnny Storm/Human Torch - Glen Powell Ben Grimm/The Thing - Chris Sullivan Victor von Doom/Doctor Doom - Henry Cavill I like Nalkarj 's idea that the plot should revolve around some sort of espionage influenced adventure with a dose of sci-fi strangeness. Something like Jonny Quest or The Secret Saturdays (anyone remember that show?) but in live action. Something different for a change.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 12, 2019 19:48:21 GMT
Reed Richards: John Krasinski Sue Storm: Emily Blunt Johnny Storm: Joe Keery Ben Grimm: Rory McCann Dr. Doom: John Hamm Not to jump on the internet bandwagon, but I think Krasinski and real life wife Emily Blunt would be great. I think we will have to go with a fairly mundane Origin story if doing a movie which kind of sucks. I just don't see a way around it. You can get away with not having an origin story for characters like Spiderman or Batman now. Everyone knows their origins. I know we've had their Origins 2 times in last 15 years, but we still need it. I would like 5 season show with 8 episodes per season instead of a movie. And with Dr. Doom can we please get an arc for him that doesn't put him in a love triangle with Reed and Sue? I think it would subvert expectations to have Hamm play Doom. I've seen a lot of people wanting him for Reed, but I think he would work better as Doom. Emily Blunt as Sue Storm and John Krasinski as Reed Richards is my top pick as well! I agree with you about the love triangle with Doom. I don't want a repeat of that. As for an Origin story, if they really want to do it i say do it like The Incredible Hulk and use the opening credits for an Origin story.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 12, 2019 23:13:02 GMT
Reed Richards: John Krasinski Sue Storm: Emily Blunt Johnny Storm: Joe Keery Ben Grimm: Rory McCann Dr. Doom: John Hamm Not to jump on the internet bandwagon, but I think Krasinski and real life wife Emily Blunt would be great. I think we will have to go with a fairly mundane Origin story if doing a movie which kind of sucks. I just don't see a way around it. You can get away with not having an origin story for characters like Spiderman or Batman now. Everyone knows their origins. I know we've had their Origins 2 times in last 15 years, but we still need it. I would like 5 season show with 8 episodes per season instead of a movie. And with Dr. Doom can we please get an arc for him that doesn't put him in a love triangle with Reed and Sue? I think it would subvert expectations to have Hamm play Doom. I've seen a lot of people wanting him for Reed, but I think he would work better as Doom. Emily Blunt as Sue Storm and John Krasinski as Reed Richards is my top pick as well! I agree with you about the love triangle with Doom. I don't want a repeat of that. As for an Origin story, if they really want to do it i say do it like The Incredible Hulk and use the opening credits for an Origin story. Well considering how late into the game they are if they did bring in the F4, I'd settle for an origin film because if they've been around all these years, then where were they during the NY invasion, Sokovia, and when Thanos attacked?
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 13, 2019 3:27:12 GMT
I'd prefer Rebecca Ferguson as Sue Storm. Emily Blunt has too tough a look, better for characters like Captain Marvel or Black Widow but not Invisible Woman.
Then Jon Hamm as Reed. Mark Strong for Doom. Scott Eastwood as Human Torch.
Don't know who to cast for Ben. Was thinking Vin Diesel would actually be interesting.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 13, 2019 4:10:34 GMT
As Vassaggo mentioned Brad Bird would be an excellent choice. Runners up include Justin Lin or Phil Lord & Christopher Miller. My casting choices would be: Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic - Oliver Jackson-Cohen Sue Storm/Invisible Woman - Lily James Johnny Storm/Human Torch - Glen Powell Ben Grimm/The Thing - Chris Sullivan Victor von Doom/Doctor Doom - Henry Cavill I like Nalkarj 's idea that the plot should revolve around some sort of espionage influenced adventure with a dose of sci-fi strangeness. Something like Jonny Quest or The Secret Saturdays (anyone remember that show?) but in live action. Something different for a change. Glen Powell is the best suggestion I’ve heard for Human Torch.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 13, 2019 4:11:37 GMT
As Vassaggo mentioned Brad Bird would be an excellent choice. Runners up include Justin Lin or Phil Lord & Christopher Miller. My casting choices would be: Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic - Oliver Jackson-Cohen Sue Storm/Invisible Woman - Lily James Johnny Storm/Human Torch - Glen Powell Ben Grimm/The Thing - Chris Sullivan Victor von Doom/Doctor Doom - Henry Cavill I like Nalkarj 's idea that the plot should revolve around some sort of espionage influenced adventure with a dose of sci-fi strangeness. Something like Jonny Quest or The Secret Saturdays (anyone remember that show?) but in live action. Something different for a change. Glen Powell is the best suggestion I’ve heard for Human Torch. Right? This guy needs to be in more stuff.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 13, 2019 4:18:20 GMT
Glen Powell is the best suggestion I’ve heard for Human Torch. Right? This guy needs to be in more stuff. My girlfriend loves Ryan Murphy and had me watch Scream Queens when it was on. I didn’t think I’d care for it much but he easily got me hooked. Then I saw him in Everybody Wants Some and officially became a fan.
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Post by scabab on Jan 13, 2019 8:36:07 GMT
I couldn't think of any cast members but I'd want them to do a storyline involving Galactus because he's a potential Avengers level villain.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 13, 2019 11:06:36 GMT
I couldn't think of any cast members but I'd want them to do a storyline involving Galactus because he's a potential Avengers level villain. You think it has been long enough time, to wipe the slate clean from Cloud Galactus? More damage was done to Dr. Doom in the 3 movies that were released. And of the three Fan4stic did the most damage to Doom. The other 2 were just uninspired drivel, it wasn't actively trying to get you to hate it. I honestly think that Trank once he got over his head said fuck it lets see how many people we can piss off. Still the early 00's FF wasn't neutral or net positive. It hurt the FF brand in my opinion. As much as I want to see Dr. Doom on the big screen, part of me doesn't want it to be with FF. If he is introduced in FF, but hopes around behind the scenes in other MCU movies I'd be happy. Just for the love of god scrape the Reed, Viktor, and Sue faux love triangle. Also can we keep his bad ass familiar/character origins. No need to update his origins to be an American. He still needs to come to US for college and all, but make him European/Latverian. Also don't just make him good in science, but magic also... Finally, speaking of the movie that wasn't released if you have 1.5 hours to kill...
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 13, 2019 17:12:40 GMT
Not sure about story, but I feel they shouldn't do another origin story, pull a Homecoming or Incredible Hulk where its briefly summarized through dialog or montage sequence.
As far as casting goes,
Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic - Jon Hamm, John Krasinski, Andrew Lincoln, Timothy Olyphant, Patrick Wilson
Sue Storm/Invisible Woman - Rosamund Pike, Emily Blunt, Anna Torv, Gillian Jacobs, Sarah Wright, Hannah New, Jaime King, Kate Bosworth, Lily James, Dianna Agron, Yvonne Strahovski
Johnny Storm/Human Torch - Zac Efron, Austin Butler, Dylan O'Brien, Dacre Montgomery, Jeremy Shada, Jack Reynor, Glen Powell, Cody Fern
Ben Grimm/The Thing - Mark Wahlberg, Donnie Wahlberg, John Cena, David Harbour, Adam Baldwin, Jeffrey Dean Morgan
Victor von Doom/Doctor Doom - Rufus Sewell, Toby Stephens, Luke Goss, Dougray Scott, Cillian Murphy, Nikolaj Coster
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 13, 2019 19:06:53 GMT
Not sure about story, but I feel they shouldn't do another origin story, pull a Homecoming or Incredible Hulk where its briefly summarized through dialog or montage sequence. As far as casting goes, Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic - Jon Hamm, John Krasinski, Andrew Lincoln, Timothy Olyphant, Patrick Wilson Sue Storm/Invisible Woman - Rosamund Pike, Emily Blunt, Anna Torv, Gillian Jacobs, Sarah Wright, Hannah New, Jaime King, Kate Bosworth, Lily James, Dianna Agron, Yvonne Strahovski Johnny Storm/Human Torch - Zac Efron, Austin Butler, Dylan O'Brien, Dacre Montgomery, Jeremy Shada, Jack Reynor, Glen Powell, Cody Fern Ben Grimm/The Thing - Mark Wahlberg, Donnie Wahlberg, John Cena, David Harbour, Adam Baldwin, Jeffrey Dean Morgan Victor von Doom/Doctor Doom - Rufus Sewell, Toby Stephens, Luke Goss, Dougray Scott, Cillian Murphy, Nikolaj Coster Diana Agron and Zac Efron would make an awesome sibling pair. However, I realize we probably want a slightly younger Reed then because those two look pretty youthful.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 13, 2019 19:21:58 GMT
By this point everyone here probably knows my cockamamie scheme for the Fantastic Four— taylorfirst1 first came up with the concept, and I love it. As I’ve written: BRILLIANT!
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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 13, 2019 19:26:41 GMT
I would love it not having an Origin plot for the movie/show. I just don't think it would fly with the normies out there. I've been trying to think of an angle with out it and can't. What type of sub genre would you put it into? Ant-man = Heist Movie, Ragnarok = Buddy Road Trip movie, Homecoming = John Hughes Movie, Winter Soldier = Political Thriller, etc? I don't want to shoot down serious tone, because Josh Trank fucked up so bad. I think you have to though. I think it should be a tv show that follows the path of The Orville. It takes it's self seriously enough, but at the same time pokes fun at the genre. I think it should be more serious than The Orville is though. “Normies”? Is that like our Normy (Clature), Clinton’s BFF? Either way, perhaps I was overestimating how well the Fantastic Four are known? I don’t really know that much about superheroes, yet I know their origin, while I didn’t know Iron Man’s before that movie came out. Good question. As for genres, let’s say ’60s spy-fi—espionage fiction with a heavy dose of surrealism (e.g., a man walking out of the ocean in a garbage bag in The Avengers’ “The Town of No Return,” or Jim West being shrunk down to the size of an ant in The Wild Wild West’s “The Night of the Raven”). That sort of thing, but of course they don’t have to be spies; the Adam West Batman was pure surrealism, along with the well-known camp elements. Or, for an earlier example, the Dalí sequences in Hitchcock’s Spellbound. Even if the MCU didn’t place it in the ’60s, elements of this very ’60s-esque genre would be a great fit, I think. “It takes itself seriously enough, but at the same time pokes fun at the genre” is exactly how I’d want it too—think of Beat the Devil or Congo, how they have fun with genre conventions (heist picture and jungle adventure, respectively) while simultaneously being good movies within that genre. Few obvious jokes; the humor should be gentler, subtler. (Hard-nosed scientist Reed Richards getting these ridiculous powers, for example.) Dr. Doom should be treated seriously, and, in this spirit, his real name shouldn’t actually be “Doom.”
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 13, 2019 23:08:16 GMT
I would love it not having an Origin plot for the movie/show. I just don't think it would fly with the normies out there. I've been trying to think of an angle with out it and can't. What type of sub genre would you put it into? Ant-man = Heist Movie, Ragnarok = Buddy Road Trip movie, Homecoming = John Hughes Movie, Winter Soldier = Political Thriller, etc? I don't want to shoot down serious tone, because Josh Trank fucked up so bad. I think you have to though. I think it should be a tv show that follows the path of The Orville. It takes it's self seriously enough, but at the same time pokes fun at the genre. I think it should be more serious than The Orville is though. “Normies”? Is that like our Normy (Clature), Clinton’s BFF? Either way, perhaps I was overestimating how well the Fantastic Four are known? I don’t really know that much about superheroes, yet I know their origin, while I didn’t know Iron Man’s before that movie came out. Good question. As for genres, let’s say ’60s spy-fi—espionage fiction with a heavy dose of surrealism (e.g., a man walking out of the ocean in a garbage bag in The Avengers’ “The Town of No Return,” or Jim West being shrunk down to the size of an ant in The Wild Wild West’s “The Night of the Raven”). That sort of thing, but of course they don’t have to be spies; the Adam West Batman was pure surrealism, along with the well-known camp elements. Or, for an earlier example, the Dalí sequences in Hitchcock’s Spellbound. Even if the MCU didn’t place it in the ’60s, elements of this very ’60s-esque genre would be a great fit, I think. “It takes itself seriously enough, but at the same time pokes fun at the genre” is exactly how I’d want it too—think of Beat the Devil or Congo, how they have fun with genre conventions (heist picture and jungle adventure, respectively) while simultaneously being good movies within that genre. Few obvious jokes; the humor should be gentler, subtler. (Hard-nosed scientist Reed Richards getting these ridiculous powers, for example.) Dr. Doom should be treated seriously, and, in this spirit, his real name shouldn’t actually be “Doom.” Normies is what I called my non-nerds/closeted that used to come into the collectibles/hobby shop I ran. I would also call them naked if no nerd shirt/sneakers etc. And if you looked coo/popular/preppy, but were really nerdy as shit you were a Daywalkers. If it were a tv show I wouldn't mind a surreal, deconstruction of the American Sitcom with Marvel's First Family. Have it self aware, a bit ironic, but not so tongue and cheek it takes you out of the story. The setting is the hard thing. I would love to capitalize on a 60's aesthetic/funky set/costumes/overall, but you would have to explain where they came from. Or why they were hiding. (Stan created the FF because he thought that's how he would act. How he would be if he was a superhero.) He wouldn't want to wear masks he wanted everyone to know he had superpowers. That's where the Fantastic Four came to be. The video should load at the correct time at 27m10s. He explains in that snippet how he had nothing to lose so he created the comic he wanted. Having trouble embeding the video so here is the link to it.So to honor the spirit of the book, the FF should be open and actively fighting crime unmasked . This throws a wrench into the machinery. You can't have them public and not in the Battle for New York. So you have 2 choices. 1. Have a origin story for the group in the present day. 2. Have them come from another dimension. I guess there is a 3rd alter peoples memory. Either by using telepaths like Charles or more likely use tech.I don't really care what sub-genre to put them in. Most likely spy but I'd rather fit the sub genre to the story not the story to the sub genre. Also I think they will have enough heavy lifting when it comes to deconstructing the nuclear family and it's representation in pop culture, ie sitcom. I have no clue what to do in a 2.5hour movie. I don't think that's enough time to build the scaffolding/structure of the FF. That's why they take short cuts in the few movies we did get about them. I'm sure there is away to do a long form stories, I just can't think of a way in. That doesn't mean there isn't a way in. It's all moot anyway. They are going to try and put the best foot forward with Fantastic Four, X-men, and Deadpool. They have had 19 movies from above average, good, and to great. I think they have earned enough good will to give them the benefit of the doubt. Unlike some I'm an optimist wrapped in a cloak pessimism/pragmatism. I am more than willing to give a shot, to Fantastic Four and X-men by Marvel Studios.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 13, 2019 23:48:39 GMT
Normies is what I called my non-nerds/closeted that used to come into the collectibles/hobby shop I ran. I would also call them naked if no nerd shirt/sneakers etc. And if you looked coo/popular/preppy, but were really nerdy as shit you were a Daywalkers. Heh. Lord only knows where I’d fit into your schema. I’ve liked Superman since I was a little kid, I like Batman stories, and I like a handful of the modern MCU movies. But I’m also (with a few exceptions) not a comic-book reader and don’t know all that much about these characters; I like them mostly as modern versions of ancient deities, which is a particular interest of mine. A very fair point. If you set the story in the ’60s, that could explain why they weren’t in New York, etc. But then they couldn’t interact with the other heroes, another reason Marvel would probably never agree to this plan. OK, I think I’m starting to agree about the origin story, because of its having to be in the shared universe. (Another reason not to shared universes! ) I’m not wedded to its being a spy story, I’m just thinking of atmosphere like The Avengers, with Reed as Steed (but looking like Whit Bissell) and Sue as Mrs. Peel and all these wacky threats they have to face—plant-men who want to take over the world, for example. That sort of plot is only done nowadays by Doctor Who, it seems, but it’s the sort of thing that works well with the Fantastic Four, at least for me. I don’t think the F4 need extremely detailed characterizations or arcs as much as just fun, off-the-wall stories. And you can do any story with them: detective, spy, sci-fi, horror, jungle adventure, Ruritanian romance, you name it—again, like Doctor Who (or, at least, what Who used to be). I admit I’m not sold on the “deconstructing the nuclear family” concept. Maybe you can explain it a bit more? I’m optimistic about it too, though I admit I didn’t hate the two earlier films with Jessica Alba and that crew. They’re definitely not great movies, but they’re entertaining fluff.
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