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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 14, 2019 1:29:21 GMT
Not sure about story, but I feel they shouldn't do another origin story, pull a Homecoming or Incredible Hulk where its briefly summarized through dialog or montage sequence. As far as casting goes, Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic - Jon Hamm, John Krasinski, Andrew Lincoln, Timothy Olyphant, Patrick Wilson Sue Storm/Invisible Woman - Rosamund Pike, Emily Blunt, Anna Torv, Gillian Jacobs, Sarah Wright, Hannah New, Jaime King, Kate Bosworth, Lily James, Dianna Agron, Yvonne Strahovski Johnny Storm/Human Torch - Zac Efron, Austin Butler, Dylan O'Brien, Dacre Montgomery, Jeremy Shada, Jack Reynor, Glen Powell, Cody Fern Ben Grimm/The Thing - Mark Wahlberg, Donnie Wahlberg, John Cena, David Harbour, Adam Baldwin, Jeffrey Dean Morgan Victor von Doom/Doctor Doom - Rufus Sewell, Toby Stephens, Luke Goss, Dougray Scott, Cillian Murphy, Nikolaj Coster Diana Agron and Zac Efron would make an awesome sibling pair. However, I realize we probably want a slightly younger Reed then because those two look pretty youthful. Very true, because if the age gap between Sue and Reed is that big it WOULD come across as a bit creepy, if Agron or James as Sue it'd definitely have to be someone as young as Krasinski for Reed.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 14, 2019 1:36:41 GMT
Normies is what I called my non-nerds/closeted that used to come into the collectibles/hobby shop I ran. I would also call them naked if no nerd shirt/sneakers etc. And if you looked coo/popular/preppy, but were really nerdy as shit you were a Daywalkers. Heh. Lord only knows where I’d fit into your schema. I’ve liked Superman since I was a little kid, I like Batman stories, and I like a handful of the modern MCU movies. But I’m also (with a few exceptions) not a comic-book reader and don’t know all that much about these characters; I like them mostly as modern versions of ancient deities, which is a particular interest of mine. A very fair point. If you set the story in the ’60s, that could explain why they weren’t in New York, etc. But then they couldn’t interact with the other heroes, another reason Marvel would probably never agree to this plan. OK, I think I’m starting to agree about the origin story, because of its having to be in the shared universe. (Another reason not to shared universes! ) I’m not wedded to its being a spy story, I’m just thinking of atmosphere like The Avengers, with Reed as Steed (but looking like Whit Bissell) and Sue as Mrs. Peel and all these wacky threats they have to face—plant-men who want to take over the world, for example. That sort of plot is only done nowadays by Doctor Who, it seems, but it’s the sort of thing that works well with the Fantastic Four, at least for me. I don’t think the F4 need extremely detailed characterizations or arcs as much as just fun, off-the-wall stories. And you can do any story with them: detective, spy, sci-fi, horror, jungle adventure, Ruritanian romance, you name it—again, like Doctor Who (or, at least, what Who used to be). I admit I’m not sold on the “deconstructing the nuclear family” concept. Maybe you can explain it a bit more? I’m optimistic about it too, though I admit I didn’t hate the two earlier films with Jessica Alba and that crew. They’re definitely not great movies, but they’re entertaining fluff. When you work in a Hobby/Nerd shop long enough you realize everyone is a nerd for something. If it's not comics then it's Magic The Gathering or Pokemon. If it's not Nascar it's muscle car models. If it's Not D&D it's Vampire the Masquerade. Some people it's remote controlled airplanes, cars, or boats. Others it's trains or devil stix. We are all a nerd in some way or fashion. You know what if they did do a tv show instead of a FF movie, mapping it off Doctor Who wouldn't be the worst idea. Somewhere between the classic monster of the week and the over arcing stories they have over multiple series. When Doctor Who gets those arcs right it's a beautiful thing, but if they miss the mark it's fugly to watch. So far Jodie Whitacker's and Chibnall's portrayal and writing on Doctor Who has left me wanting. They are pulling back from the massive arcs and going for more of a monster of the week show. I think they are leaning to heavy on that. Also Chibnall has the tendency to ramp up the stakes artificially. The Doctor has to stop this Alien or London will die. Oh by the way on a completely separate note you might want to hurry up because there is a Nuclear Bomb in the English Channel. (this isn't actually what has happened but feels like something Chibnall would do.) I know I might be in the minority but I think they got the arcs right with Capaldi and Coleman. They frigged up Smith and Coleman when she first came aboard. When Peter became her space father the show was hitting on all cylinders. The 2 years of stories with them together I would love FF to echo that. As for “deconstructing the nuclear family” concept, Basically, using the aesthetic, morays, morals, plot points, and tropes of the 60's (when the actual source material was written) to cast a light on the modern day concept of family. Have the family either literally out of time in the story (ie time travel or multiverse jump) or have them experience the same world we did and have them keep their 60's style mind set. The FF were the first Family of Comics and they were campy almost sappy portrayal of the family of the future. Hell they even had a flying car. As time has moved on in comics and in reality, their style of story, attitudes, etc has gone out of favor for a more gritty, brooding, apathetic and sullen undertone. You can use the FF as an anachronistic ideal for family by using the attitudes/morals of the 60's. Their mindset would be that cloying faux optimism that is stereotyped in 60's pop culture. That attitude that surfaced right before the social revolution that has defined our world after Camelot failed. We could use the apathetic and sullen attitudes formed during the intervening decades as a demarcation line. A time period to hearken back too, but not with to much concentration. To much and the Facade of the past would crumble. Let that be the high wire the characters would have to balance on. They could portray their innocence and attitudes as a juxtaposition of the rot and domestic apathy we have today. You would have to present it in a slightly ironic and tongue in cheek way for people to swallow it, though. On the surface it would just be a surreal and odd take on a sitcom using Superheroes as the protagonist. Below the surface/subtext would be the use of Comic Book, Horror, Sci-Fi Tropes to illustrate, take apart, and examine the perils of modern day family through the Prism of the 60's mindset that ultimately failed society. (Like how Joss Whedon used the tropes of Horror Movies/Shows as metaphors of American Teenage Life through early adulthood on Buffy The Vampire Slayer)
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 14, 2019 19:54:34 GMT
Diana Agron and Zac Efron would make an awesome sibling pair. However, I realize we probably want a slightly younger Reed then because those two look pretty youthful. Very true, because if the age gap between Sue and Reed is that big it WOULD come across as a bit creepy, if Agron or James as Sue it'd definitely have to be someone as young as Krasinski for Reed. It's weird because I thought Jon Hamm and Gal Gadot looked great as a pair in Keeping up with the Joneses, and Gadot is only 1 year older than Agron. But Agron has a younger look to her so it looks weird pairing her up with Hamm. Krasinski would then make a better Reed, though I preferred Hamm if not for the age difference. Then again, my main pick for Sue is Rebecca Ferguson, and she looks mature enough to pair with Hamm.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 14, 2019 19:56:40 GMT
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 14, 2019 22:45:59 GMT
Not sure about story, but I feel they shouldn't do another origin story, pull a Homecoming or Incredible Hulk where its briefly summarized through dialog or montage sequence. As far as casting goes, Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic - Jon Hamm, John Krasinski, Andrew Lincoln, Timothy Olyphant, Patrick Wilson Sue Storm/Invisible Woman - Rosamund Pike, Emily Blunt, Anna Torv, Gillian Jacobs, Sarah Wright, Hannah New, Jaime King, Kate Bosworth, Lily James, Dianna Agron, Yvonne Strahovski Johnny Storm/Human Torch - Zac Efron, Austin Butler, Dylan O'Brien, Dacre Montgomery, Jeremy Shada, Jack Reynor, Glen Powell, Cody Fern Ben Grimm/The Thing - Mark Wahlberg, Donnie Wahlberg, John Cena, David Harbour, Adam Baldwin, Jeffrey Dean Morgan Victor von Doom/Doctor Doom - Rufus Sewell, Toby Stephens, Luke Goss, Dougray Scott, Cillian Murphy, Nikolaj Coster Yvonne Strahovski and Adam Baldwin? Are you a Chuck fan? Love the idea of Anna Torv and Timothy Olyphant. But they will probably go younger.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 15, 2019 0:04:31 GMT
Not sure about story, but I feel they shouldn't do another origin story, pull a Homecoming or Incredible Hulk where its briefly summarized through dialog or montage sequence. As far as casting goes, Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic - Jon Hamm, John Krasinski, Andrew Lincoln, Timothy Olyphant, Patrick Wilson Sue Storm/Invisible Woman - Rosamund Pike, Emily Blunt, Anna Torv, Gillian Jacobs, Sarah Wright, Hannah New, Jaime King, Kate Bosworth, Lily James, Dianna Agron, Yvonne Strahovski Johnny Storm/Human Torch - Zac Efron, Austin Butler, Dylan O'Brien, Dacre Montgomery, Jeremy Shada, Jack Reynor, Glen Powell, Cody Fern Ben Grimm/The Thing - Mark Wahlberg, Donnie Wahlberg, John Cena, David Harbour, Adam Baldwin, Jeffrey Dean Morgan Victor von Doom/Doctor Doom - Rufus Sewell, Toby Stephens, Luke Goss, Dougray Scott, Cillian Murphy, Nikolaj Coster Yvonne Strahovski and Adam Baldwin? Are you a Chuck fan? Love the idea of Anna Torv and Timothy Olyphant. But they will probably go younger. Kind of, mostly am familiar with their other work
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Post by Archelaus on Jan 15, 2019 20:33:14 GMT
Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic - John Krasinski (Jon Hamm as a second choice) Sue Storm/Invisible Woman - Alice Eve Victor Von Doom/Doctor Doom - Lars Mikkelsen
I would like a story about the Fantastic Four going into the Negative Zone and fighting Annihilus.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 15, 2019 20:33:48 GMT
I think Tom Cruise should play all 4 of them.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 15, 2019 20:34:57 GMT
Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic - John Krasinski Sue Storm/Invisible Woman - Alice Eve Victor Von Doom/Doctor Doom - Lars Mikkelsen Alice Eve is already in the MCU. She played Typhoid Mary in Iron Fist. She was great too.
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Post by James on Jan 15, 2019 22:16:06 GMT
Mr. Fantastic - John Krasinski Invisible Woman - Emily Blunt Human Torch - Josh Hutcherson Thing - Vin Diesel (hey he can play both him and Groot, I don’t care what people say) Dr. Doom - Jude Law
Story? Can’t think of one at the moment.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 15, 2019 22:35:17 GMT
Mr. Fantastic - John Krasinski Invisible Woman - Emily Blunt Human Torch - Josh Hutcherson Thing - Vin Diesel (hey he can play both him and Groot, I don’t care what people say) Dr. Doom - Jude Law Story? Can’t think of one at the moment. Nice to see someone else think Vin Diesel would make a good Thing.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 15, 2019 23:42:44 GMT
I think a good way to introduce characters that should have always been there (X-Men, Fantastic Four) even though we're ten years in, is that theres a kind of "secret" history to the MCU.
It would be perfectly acceptable to me if mutants (X-men) were always there but in such small numbers and so secretive that it wasn't well known, like the magical cabal Dr. Strange learned from is not well known.
Conversely with the Fantastic Four... do we hear about every single space mission NASA or Elon Musk sends up? Probably not. The Fantastic Four could be part of a mission that SHIELD put together, thus the secrecy.
In a world full of mystery like the MCU there will be a lot of things that exist that we don't already know about.
Ka-Zar and the Savage Land, anyone?
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