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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 14, 2019 19:57:46 GMT
We're up to 41.7% of the votes now. Have all of the Pedo Bill Conlin's of the world passed on? No one is doing the "nobody goes in with 100%" protest vote anymore?
Public Ballots: 168
Anonymous Ballots: 4
% of Ballots Known: 41.7%
"Last Updated: 1/14/2019 at 10:35 PST"
Mariano Rivera 100.0%
Roy Halladay 94.2%
Edgar Martinez 90.1%
Mike Mussina 81.4%
Roger Clemens 73.3%
Curt Schilling 73.8%
Barry Bonds 72.7%
Larry Walker 65.7%
Omar Vizquel 36.0%
Fred McGriff 35.5%
Manny Ramirez 26.2%
Scott Rolen 20.9%
Todd Helton 20.3%
Billy Wagner 15.1%
Sammy Sosa 13.4%
Gary Sheffield 13.4%
Jeff Kent 12.8%
Andruw Jones 8.1%
Andy Pettitte 7.0%
Michael Young 1.7%
Lance Berkman 1.2%
Roy Oswalt 1.2%
Miguel Tejada 1.2%
Rick Ankiel 0.0%
Jason Bay 0.0%
Freddy Garcia 0.0%
Jon Garland 0.0%
Travis Hafner 0.0%
Ted Lilly 0.0%
Derek Lowe 0.0%
Darren Oliver 0.0%
Juan Pierre 0.0%
Placido Polanco 0.0%
Vernon Wells 0.0%
Kevin Youkilis 0.0%
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 14, 2019 20:05:38 GMT
No voted for Ted Lilly? Poppycock
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 20:14:26 GMT
Not a chance. Nobody is going to get 100% until some of the old timers voting no longer have voting privileges. If guys like Greg Maddux or Randy Johnson dont get 100% with as many wins and Cy Youngs they had, no chance a closer does, no matter how good he was.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 14, 2019 21:29:57 GMT
No because he's a closer & there are HOF voters who denounce all closers, kickers, managers, DH's, punters, & everyone else who is better than them in real life.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 22, 2019 20:10:46 GMT
not sure a closer should...
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jan 22, 2019 21:04:46 GMT
No. Some douche will send an empty ballot, or leave him off because "if Ted Williams didn't get in unanimously than no one should."
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 22, 2019 21:22:53 GMT
Probably not, though it’s stupid if a writer does the old “Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous so Rivera shouldn’t be either” bullshit. Rivera should be judged against other closers, and seeing that he is the best ever at it, then he should be unanimous. I mean, when Ray Guy got elected did voters say “Well he wasn’t as valuable as Joe Montana blah blah blah.”
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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 23, 2019 2:29:32 GMT
No. Some douche will send an empty ballot, or leave him off because "if Ted Williams didn't get in unanimously than no one should." One of my friends wrote two hours ago saying that the next time he talks to his dad, the first thing he's going to say is "If Ted Williams wasn’t a unanimous selection, Mariano Rivera sure as hell shouldn’t be!”
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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 23, 2019 2:34:16 GMT
Interesting how much Clemens and Bonds fell from the early voting. Eight days ago Clemens was at 73.3% and Bonds was at 72.7%; both ended below 60%. They're inching up, though. Four years ago Edgar was only pulling in 27%.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 23, 2019 3:54:59 GMT
Jeff Kent better get some more votes.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 23, 2019 4:56:27 GMT
he did
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 23, 2019 5:09:10 GMT
I think his personality helped a lot. From what I’ve read, he is a hell of a nice guy.
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Post by Xcalatë on Jan 23, 2019 9:36:27 GMT
He got it and deservedly so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 11:23:15 GMT
He got it and deservedly so. No.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 23, 2019 12:52:01 GMT
I don't have a problem with him getting 100% of the vote, I just don't understand why he was the first to do it. There must have been plenty of no brainers before him.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 23, 2019 13:16:06 GMT
I don't have a problem with him getting 100% of the vote, I just don't understand why he was the first to do it. There must have been plenty of no brainers before him. I mean, if there were legitimate reasons to not elect Mays, Aaron, Williams, Gehrig, Ruth, Pedro, Randy Johnson, Musial, Brett, Carlton, Schmidt, Ryan, Frank Robinson, Maddux, Koufax, Hornsby, Cobb, DiMaggio, Gibson, or Mantle unanimously I can’t figure out what they were. And Rivera deserves it, but so did about 50 others.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 23, 2019 16:59:53 GMT
I don't have a problem with him getting 100% of the vote, I just don't understand why he was the first to do it. There must have been plenty of no brainers before him. I mean, if there were legitimate reasons to not elect Mays, Aaron, Williams, Gehrig, Ruth, Pedro, Randy Johnson, Musial, Brett, Carlton, Schmidt, Ryan, Frank Robinson, Maddux, Koufax, Hornsby, Cobb, DiMaggio, Gibson, or Mantle unanimously I can’t figure out what they were. And Rivera deserves it, but so did about 50 others. Even if you ignore the old timers, why not Griffey?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 23, 2019 17:06:17 GMT
I mean, if there were legitimate reasons to not elect Mays, Aaron, Williams, Gehrig, Ruth, Pedro, Randy Johnson, Musial, Brett, Carlton, Schmidt, Ryan, Frank Robinson, Maddux, Koufax, Hornsby, Cobb, DiMaggio, Gibson, or Mantle unanimously I can’t figure out what they were. And Rivera deserves it, but so did about 50 others. Even if you ignore the old timers, why not Griffey? Exactly. There is not one single reason that Griffey shouldn’t have been unanimous. Just a bunch of asshole voters. I wish we didn’t know the percentages. Make it like football, you’re in or you’re out.
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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 24, 2019 1:36:38 GMT
I don't have a problem with him getting 100% of the vote, I just don't understand why he was the first to do it. There must have been plenty of no brainers before him. I mean, if there were legitimate reasons to not elect Mays, Aaron, Williams, Gehrig, Ruth, Pedro, Randy Johnson, Musial, Brett, Carlton, Schmidt, Ryan, Frank Robinson, Maddux, Koufax, Hornsby, Cobb, DiMaggio, Gibson, or Mantle unanimously I can’t figure out what they were. And Rivera deserves it, but so did about 50 others. Because the Hall of Fame doesn't start until 1936, every player who played up until then were eligible for induction. But the inaugural class was only five players (Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, and Honus Wagner), so there were a lot of players who didn't get in who were great (Tris Speaker, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Cy Young) who got votes in 1936. Babe Ruth retired in 1935, and I read that some voters didn't know he was even eligible that first year, so he was left off some ballots. And because those guys didn't get 100%, there was a group of voters who made it their mission to never vote somebody in by 100%. Strangely, for a long time, Tom Seaver was the guy who had the most votes his first year. Of course, you're absolutely right that there really weren't legitimate reasons why people didn't get in unanimously.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jan 24, 2019 2:06:28 GMT
Had Ty Cobb not been such an unbearable prick, on and off the field, he would have been unanimous in 1936 and none of this crap would have happened. Fuck you Tyrus!
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