Eλευθερί
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 15, 2019 12:00:41 GMT
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 15, 2019 12:13:41 GMT
It is sad enough how much so many people misunderstand things and each other without adding deliberate misunderstanding to the mix. An interesting tangential thread.
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Post by thefleetsin on Jan 15, 2019 14:36:45 GMT
it's miraculous how time and time again art throws a monkey wrench into the machinations of men. and oh what happened then was rich. . .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 14:41:56 GMT
Huh. And to think that christians are always saying that they don't do this kind of thing, only muslims do.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 15, 2019 15:01:53 GMT
That’s confusing
I couldn’t even tell where it was at initially
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Post by Isapop on Jan 15, 2019 15:13:14 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Jan 15, 2019 16:18:45 GMT
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Post by koskiewicz on Jan 15, 2019 18:10:14 GMT
True anecdote follows:
I was downtown Chicago about 10 years ago. For whatever reason, Ronald McDonald was doing a promo in Grant Park. I walked up to him and said "hey man, nice shoes" to which he got very belligerent with me. Screw Ronald McDonald and the horse he rode in on...
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Post by Isapop on Jan 15, 2019 18:35:32 GMT
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jan 15, 2019 21:02:48 GMT
The McDonald's on my corner had a bench outside with a statue of Ronald McDonald sitting on it for years.
Then suddenly, the bench was gone.
I went inside to ask what happened, and I was told that Ronnie's head had been chainsawed off.
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Post by goz on Jan 16, 2019 7:32:55 GMT
True anecdote follows: I was downtown Chicago about 10 years ago. For whatever reason, Ronald McDonald was doing a promo in Grant Park. I walked up to him and said "hey man, nice shoes" to which he got very belligerent with me. Screw Ronald McDonald and the horse he rode in on... ….They Screw Horses Don't They
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 16, 2019 8:55:00 GMT
What if the artist showed Ronald McDonald flying up to heaven on a horse like Mohammad?
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Post by general313 on Jan 16, 2019 15:01:30 GMT
What if the artist showed Ronald McDonald flying up to heaven on a horse like Mohammad? Or Elijah?
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Post by rizdek on Jan 16, 2019 20:14:11 GMT
Huh. And to think that christians are always saying that they don't do this kind of thing, only muslims do. Oh, but rest assured, they're not snowflakes...their revulsion and angst is righteous indignation, they have, you know, to defend their God at all costs. Because their God is also a snowflake.
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Post by goz on Jan 16, 2019 20:28:34 GMT
My more serious and less cynical reply because this thread brings up something that has interested me for a long time, being an Art major at University. My whole first year of my course was intensive study of 'What is Art'? and it was probably the best year of my studious life because it contained elements of history, philosophy, psychology. theology, politics and ethics.( nearly all of which I was studying separately as well) From that article I have chosen this quote to discuss mainly because it has the word 'disrespectful' in it which summaries some points from all the disciplines we studied in this Art Course. It could be asserted that the artwork combines an archetypal Western icon of Ronald McDonald representing capitalism, on the cross of the religious Jesus in juxtaposition to the commonly venerated icon by Christians, exhibited in Israel and objected to ( named disrespectful) in certain conservative quarters. Fascinating. Further the idea of 'disrespect' in presenting artworks or in broader sense words, icons films etc etc is what is interesting to me. Just as I don't believe in 'blasphemy' I recognise it as a deeply held tenet of many religions, I view the freedom of thought and expression ( including visual ) to be a greater freedom, as it usually comes down to an honest 'difference of opinion'. The very FACT that religious people see their icons/symbols and tenets as above and beyond comment, reproach or criticism, is what really worries me. Remember the whole Salmon Rushdie thing? the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_blasphemy and Christians are no better it seems.
I don't deny that there are times when respect is required....ironically the example that comes to mind is a 'Christian' group
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church who break this recklessly and wilfully, however in general it is my belief that there is virtually nothing that shold not or could not be said written or made into an ' art work'. There may be consequences and judgements, and it might be unwise, however it is true freedom of speech and expression. To me 'disrespect' is not justification for censorship. There are however some issues which may or should be censored where it involves danger to individuals or the populace ( such as security issues) or widespread dissemination of dangerous information such as bombmaking nuclear technology etc etc etc.)
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 16, 2019 20:51:31 GMT
As a social commentary, I'm sure there's some truth to it. This scene from "Super Size Me" comes to mind:
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Post by goz on Jan 16, 2019 21:17:53 GMT
As a social commentary, I'm sure there's some truth to it. This scene from "Super Size Me" comes to mind: This clip has me in a quandry. Am I please or disappointed that children know Ronald McDonald better than Jesus? Some GozTrivia: McDonalds started in the suburb of Yagoona (in Sydney) in Australia in 1971. My bro-in-law worked for them as the property acquisitions manager. There were only few employees in those days so my Bro-in-law has the honour of being the fist Ronald McDonald in Australia for their opening. I have to say that the part suited him well.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 16, 2019 21:19:13 GMT
Huh. And to think that christians are always saying that they don't do this kind of thing, only muslims do. I talked about objectivity in the other threads. Many deeply religious Christians usually do not know much about the world or deliberately choose to look only at situations where their religion is supposedly being insulted. This is such a silly statement to make. And time and again I have seen some Christians saying that people are allowed to (supposedly) insult Christian community only and not any other communities. Which is a lie. Innumerable times I have heard of pictures of Indian gods being drawn on shoes and underwears and the world doesn't get turned upside down and which is a proof that many Christians have some sort of persecution complex.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 16, 2019 22:13:30 GMT
Huh. And to think that christians are always saying that they don't do this kind of thing, only muslims do. Oh, but rest assured, they're not snowflakes...their revulsion and angst is righteous indignation, they have, you know, to defend their God at all costs. Because their God is also a snowflake. From that article I have chosen this quote to discuss mainly because it has the word 'disrespectful' in it which summaries some points from all the disciplines we studied in this Art Course. It could be asserted that the artwork combines an archetypal Western icon of Ronald McDonald representing capitalism, on the cross of the religious Jesus in juxtaposition to the commonly venerated icon by Christians, exhibited in Israel and objected to ( named disrespectful) in certain conservative quarters. Fascinating. Further the idea of 'disrespect' in presenting artworks or in broader sense words, icons films etc etc is what is interesting to me. Just as I don't believe in 'blasphemy' I recognise it as a deeply held tenet of many religions, I view the freedom of thought and expression ( including visual ) to be a greater freedom, as it usually comes down to an honest 'difference of opinion'. The very FACT that religious people see their icons/symbols and tenets as above and beyond comment, reproach or criticism, is what really worries me. Remember the whole Salmon Rushdie thing? the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_blasphemy and Christians are no better it seems.
I don't deny that there are times when respect is required....ironically the example that comes to mind is a 'Christian' group Why do Christians have a monopoly on the use of crucifixion in imagery? Jesus of Nazareth was not the only person (allegedly) crucified.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 16, 2019 22:19:23 GMT
Photo of the painting at link.
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