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Post by Aj_June on Jan 16, 2019 18:09:09 GMT
When you are willing to put your community to a different standard than the rest of humanity then it shows you are not a person of principle and integrity. To eagerly believe goods things about your community without doing proper research is not a good idea. Just as eagerly believing rumours and stereotypes about other communities isn't a good thing too. I am astonished by how frequently people on message boards and even in real life put their communities to a different standard than the rest of humanity. Reason, logic and proven stats are put aside for carrying out emotional beliefs. Yes, sure, when people of my faith claim to be healed by worshipping my chosen god then they are probably right and were healed by blessings of my god. But when people of other faiths say the same then either they are lying or reason for healing is something else. Really? How simple and naive can you get? Is it even a wonder that higher attainment of education shows correlation (albeit not perfect or unreasonably strong) with people giving up associations with beliefs that are not based on actual and verifiable facts? That said, the same is also true in politics and things that are outside of philosophy and spirituality. We should not be biased and consider people from our community/country/race/field to be more easily believable than people who are not from our community/country/race/field.
My personal belief is that staying objective and trying to remain unbiased is one of the most important principles for people of any society if they strive to live in a harmonious and peaceful society.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 16, 2019 18:14:36 GMT
Lol
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Post by general313 on Jan 16, 2019 18:34:11 GMT
I assume since there's no elaboration that you disagree with everything in AJ's post. If I assume correctly that's quite shameful.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 16, 2019 18:50:05 GMT
I assume since there's no elaboration that you disagree with everything in AJ's post. If I assume correctly that's quite shameful. lol means the post was funny. Lol means laugh out loud. Now whether you think that means a laughter of agreement or disagreement is entirely your unbiased opinion. |
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Post by general313 on Jan 16, 2019 19:43:58 GMT
I assume since there's no elaboration that you disagree with everything in AJ's post. If I assume correctly that's quite shameful. lol means the post was funny. Lol means laugh out loud. Now whether you think that means a laughter of agreement or disagreement is entirely your unbiased opinion. It was a serious post, so it's clear you disagree with it. It is shameful if you think striving for objectivity is laughable.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 16, 2019 20:03:09 GMT
Thank you for sharing your enlightened point of view, Aj.   |
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 16, 2019 20:18:37 GMT
Thank you for sharing your enlightened point of view, Aj. I am pretty sure you are thankful for my point of view and frequently display objectivity in your thought process when you come up with statements such as "homophobia doesn't exist and has been created to coerce and intimidate believers".
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 16, 2019 20:24:57 GMT
Thank you for sharing your enlightened point of view, Aj. I am pretty sure you are thankful for my point of view and frequently display objectivity in your thought process when you come up with statements such as "homophobia doesn't exist and has been created to coerce and intimidate believers". Objectivity can be a hard thing to get ahold of sometimes. EDIT -- All I can say is that in my experience I've never had the Hare Krishna try to rewire my brain to think like them. Can't say the same for the "gays."
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 16, 2019 22:16:55 GMT
lol means the post was funny. Lol means laugh out loud. Now whether you think that means a laughter of agreement or disagreement is entirely your unbiased opinion. It was a serious post, so it's clear you disagree with it. It is shameful if you think striving for objectivity is laughable. So the only option is to disagree with it? Is that an unbiased opinion?
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Post by general313 on Jan 16, 2019 23:43:29 GMT
It was a serious post, so it's clear you disagree with it. It is shameful if you think striving for objectivity is laughable. So the only option is to disagree with it? Is that an unbiased opinion? Perhaps it would save time if you explained why you find the OP funny.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 16, 2019 23:49:53 GMT
When you are willing to put your community to a different standard than the rest of humanity then it shows you are not a person of principle and integrity. To eagerly believe goods things about your community without doing proper research is not a good idea. Just as eagerly believing rumours and stereotypes about other communities isn't a good thing too. I am astonished by how frequently people on message boards and even in real life put their communities to a different standard than the rest of humanity. Reason, logic and proven stats are put aside for carrying out emotional beliefs. Yes, sure, when people of my faith claim to be healed by worshipping my chosen god then they are probably right and were healed by blessings of my god. But when people of other faiths say the same then either they are lying or reason for healing is something else. Really? How simple and naive can you get? Is it even a wonder that higher attainment of education shows correlation (albeit not perfect or unreasonably strong) with people giving up associations with beliefs that are not based on actual and verifiable facts? That said, the same is also true in politics and things that are outside of philosophy and spirituality. We should not be biased and consider people from our community/country/race/field to be more easily believable than people who are not from our community/country/race/field.
My personal belief is that staying objective and trying to remain unbiased is one of the most important principles for people of any society if they strive to live in a harmonious and peaceful society.
Most people do not have access to "facts." I tried to run a test of this board here and so far it doesn't look like this board can ever have much to say about anything without outside documentation of value. There are of course countless websites, but straining much truth out of them can be difficult. Many people disagree about the significance of things even when they acknowledge they are facts. The national debt is generally believed to be as reported, but many people obviously don't care.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 17, 2019 1:04:38 GMT
So the only option is to disagree with it? Is that an unbiased opinion? Perhaps it would save time if you explained why you find the OP funny. it could have come sooner if you hadn’t tried your hand at silly accusations. While the sentiment may very well be serious, neither you nor the OP can pull of any sincerity behind it. Both of you have just wasted an inordinate amount of time being biased against religious people. I would have taken it more seriously a few months from now but given the lunacy of recent threads it’s funny that aj is saying it, but maybe there is an apology in there somewhere. That said I don’t necessarily agree with the premise. I think it is perfectly fine to have a biased opinion. |
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Post by Isapop on Jan 17, 2019 1:13:45 GMT
I think it is perfectly fine to have a biased opinion. Yes, as long as one recognizes that their opinion is biased, and therefore less worthy of consideration than an unbiased opinion.
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Post by thefleetsin on Jan 17, 2019 2:01:40 GMT
and when people placate religiously-tooled buffoonery for the sake of no one getting their feelings hurt, you end up with a world twisted by every known form of ridiculous voodoos that crawl out of every other rock.
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Post by phludowin on Jan 17, 2019 7:09:29 GMT
My personal belief is that staying objective and trying to remain unbiased is one of the most important principles for people of any society if they strive to live in a harmonious and peaceful society.
My opinion: While this may be a desirable goal on paper, I don't think it's realisable. Mostly for two reasons. First: Humans are social animals. Therefore they will tend to believe or accept what their "group" says as truth more easily; whether the group is a family or community. Second: Humans are subjects, therefore subjective, and do not have access to all facts. In my opinion it is therefore impossible for humans to form an objective opinion. Therefore a peaceful society will not be realized by humans becoming objective or unbiased, but by accepting that humans are subjective and biased, and not forcing their opinion on others. If I had a recipe for it that was proven to work, I'd probably not be on this forum now, but working on a thank you and acceptance speech to be held in December in Oslo.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 17, 2019 9:02:30 GMT
My personal belief is that staying objective and trying to remain unbiased is one of the most important principles for people of any society if they strive to live in a harmonious and peaceful society.
My opinion: While this may be a desirable goal on paper, I don't think it's realisable. Mostly for two reasons. First: Humans are social animals. Therefore they will tend to believe or accept what their "group" says as truth more easily; whether the group is a family or community. Second: Humans are subjects, therefore subjective, and do not have access to all facts. In my opinion it is therefore impossible for humans to form an objective opinion. Therefore a peaceful society will not be realized by humans becoming objective or unbiased, but by accepting that humans are subjective and biased, and not forcing their opinion on others. If I had a recipe for it that was proven to work, I'd probably not be on this forum now, but working on a thank you and acceptance speech to be held in December in Oslo. People have to accept each other's differences to get along. People do not have to accept biases. Bias means having prejudiced and unfair beliefs towards something/people. What you probably mean is that everyone has some unconscious bias. Yes, I agree with that. Though I am talking about bias on larger scales. That people can work with reason and maturity. Thinking in an objective way can help. Though I agree with you that it is not always practical because of many exogenous and endogenous factors.
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Post by general313 on Jan 17, 2019 15:56:10 GMT
My personal belief is that staying objective and trying to remain unbiased is one of the most important principles for people of any society if they strive to live in a harmonious and peaceful society.
My opinion: While this may be a desirable goal on paper, I don't think it's realisable. Mostly for two reasons. First: Humans are social animals. Therefore they will tend to believe or accept what their "group" says as truth more easily; whether the group is a family or community. Second: Humans are subjects, therefore subjective, and do not have access to all facts. In my opinion it is therefore impossible for humans to form an objective opinion. Therefore a peaceful society will not be realized by humans becoming objective or unbiased, but by accepting that humans are subjective and biased, and not forcing their opinion on others. If I had a recipe for it that was proven to work, I'd probably not be on this forum now, but working on a thank you and acceptance speech to be held in December in Oslo. It's very defeatist to say it's "desirable on paper" and give up. We can recognize that we have biases just as we can recognize we have jealous thoughts for instance, but we make a major blunder if we stop being ashamed of such impulses and make no effort to manage them or compensate for them. In my opinion, in politics, when a society stops caring about objectivity it opens itself to rampant corruption. We must not be complacent when a leader lies through his teeth. Objectivity is perhaps the greatest asset of good science, and while perfect objectivity isn't achievable it is still a crucial goal.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 17, 2019 19:47:00 GMT
Oh well.
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Post by goz on Jan 17, 2019 22:50:47 GMT
Perhaps it would save time if you explained why you find the OP funny. it could have come sooner if you hadn’t tried your hand at silly accusations. While the sentiment may very well be serious, neither you nor the OP can pull of any sincerity behind it. Both of you have just wasted an inordinate amount of time being biased against religious people. I would have taken it more seriously a few months from now but given the lunacy of recent threads it’s funny that aj is saying it, but maybe there is an apology in there somewhere. That said I don’t necessarily agree with the premise. I think it is perfectly fine to have a biased opinion. IMHO that is a very primitive and 'tribal' viewpoint in sociological terms. A 'them vs us' mentality. In opposition would be a more civilised, co-operative and 'liberal' viewpoint which has become increasingly necessary in modern society. Unfortunately this is a shared premise amongst religious people. Their 'bias' is that THEY are right and other religions non religions and basically everyone else is wrong. You exhibit this nicely. ( as do other people associated with the more fundamentalist sects of Christianity such as JWs and certain other religions groups, some also in the Muslim community) It ironically and hypocritically doesn't augur well for wold peace, co-operation and social harmony.
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Post by phludowin on Jan 17, 2019 23:20:46 GMT
My opinion: While this may be a desirable goal on paper, I don't think it's realisable. Mostly for two reasons. First: Humans are social animals. Therefore they will tend to believe or accept what their "group" says as truth more easily; whether the group is a family or community. Second: Humans are subjects, therefore subjective, and do not have access to all facts. In my opinion it is therefore impossible for humans to form an objective opinion. Therefore a peaceful society will not be realized by humans becoming objective or unbiased, but by accepting that humans are subjective and biased, and not forcing their opinion on others. If I had a recipe for it that was proven to work, I'd probably not be on this forum now, but working on a thank you and acceptance speech to be held in December in Oslo. It's very defeatist to say it's "desirable on paper" and give up. We can recognize that we have biases just as we can recognize we have jealous thoughts for instance, but we make a major blunder if we stop being ashamed of such impulses and make no effort to manage them or compensate for them. In my opinion, in politics, when a society stops caring about objectivity it opens itself to rampant corruption. We must not be complacent when a leader lies through his teeth. Objectivity is perhaps the greatest asset of good science, and while perfect objectivity isn't achievable it is still a crucial goal. In my opinion justice and equality are more important than objectivity. And that's a biased opinion. Humanity has a history of establishing unjust societies, and claiming concepts like "objectivity", "natural law" or "common sense" as justification. On average, women are physically weaker than men. On average, black people have lower IQs than white people. Should these "objective" facts in anyway influence our legislation? I don't think so. I'm biased towards human rights, especially non-discrimination. Some people prefer natural rights; but I prefer human rights, which are not objective, and biased towards equality and justice.
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