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Post by ck100 on Jan 21, 2019 7:19:37 GMT
What do you think of this list?
1. Championships meant nothing. 2. Social media made WWE interactive. 3. No NXT. 4. The rampant objectification of women. 5. Safety was never a concern. 6. Smaller guys were cannon fodder. 7. The WCW invasion ruined Stone Cold Steve Austin 8. WWE network. 9. Wrestling was often an afterthought. 10. WrestleMania is far better today.
I agree with 1, 4, 5, 6 and 9 in particular.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 7:59:40 GMT
Title thread is a bit misleading. The article isn't saying the Attitude Era is over rated, simply saying todays product is better.
1. Meh, titles are meaningless today for the most part too. Got 2 World Championships 1 of which never appears on television. Having more Championships to win in my mind doesn't make them mean something compared to having less in the Attitude Era that swapped a few times here and there.
2. Not seeing this as a huge plus tbh.
3. Agreed.
4. Agreed. However at the time of the Attitude Era the women were a huge drawing power and the partnership they had with Playboy was a big deal. Couldn't do that shit today.
5. Agreed. A lot of shit changed after the Benoit murders.
6. Meh, it's not like 205 Live is a big deal. I don't know anybody that bothers to watch it. Same goes for the Facebook Mixed Match Challenge. Finn Balor outside of his initial main roster debut and Universal title win to just this month I'd say has been cannon fodder as well. So it's still not a huge upgrade yet imo.
7. I don't see how this is relevant to the topic. The Attitude Era also made Stone Cold so? The Invasion storyline sucking was mostly due to WCW stars not coming over. I don't see how that angle itself is a selling point to how today is better. Today has some shitty ass storylines just the same.
8. Agreed.
9. Agree to an extent. However today also just gives us the same matches week after week countless times. Sometimes it's best to freshen some shit up with stipulations.
10. Meh, idk. WrestleMania is hit or miss no matter what era you're in. Better production value is true but it's also like 6 hours longer than it used to be.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jan 21, 2019 9:44:54 GMT
You can see hundreds of reasons if you watch RAW from.1998-2000 on WWE Network or any Nitro after 1997. They don't hold up.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jan 21, 2019 10:23:12 GMT
1. They met more then than they do now. When Jeff Jarrett won the WCW title in 2000 it was considered absurd. If a wrestler on a similar level won the belt now, no one would bat an eyelid.
2. SM sucks. 3. I guess so, but we did have ECW. 4. Probably fair enough, Sable and Chyna were more exceptions than the rule. 5. A million times yes. Chair shots to the head, stupid bumps, leading to pain killer abuse, brain damage and ultimately death. 6. Hardly a problem limited to the attitude era. 7. Not really. While I'm one of the few who liked his heel turn, it didn't happen because of the Invasion. And even if it did, the sale of WCW waams significant enough that it ushered in an era of its own. 8. Agree, though mainly for the classic content. 9. Fair 10. 50/50. I don't really like the 5 hour monstrosities and 32 and 33 didn't have a lot of good matches on them either. I'd take 14, 17 and probably 16 over any of the more recent ones. 13 and 15 were pretty bad. Both should have been called In Your House: WrestleMania.
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Post by Nike316 on Jan 21, 2019 16:31:28 GMT
Garbage. The roster today doesn't have the star power or the memorability the stars of the Attitude Era had. I don't care how good they are at "pure" wrestling.
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Post by Jayman on Jan 21, 2019 18:06:56 GMT
I think all that hot shotting was really bad for the industry and I don't think it's ever fully recovered from it.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 22, 2019 0:49:08 GMT
What do you think of this list?
1. Championships meant nothing. 2. Social media made WWE interactive. 3. No NXT. 4. The rampant objectification of women. 5. Safety was never a concern. 6. Smaller guys were cannon fodder. 7. The WCW invasion ruined Stone Cold Steve Austin 8. WWE network. 9. Wrestling was often an afterthought. 10. WrestleMania is far better today.
I agree with 1, 4, 5, 6 and 9 in particular.
1. False. A-listers, & there were a lot, were beating one another to a pulp for the chance to play keep away. 2. lols… TV exclusive made WWE bigger than Monday Night Football, back when MNF was it. 3. lols… that's because the parent product was so strong & evenly balanced. 4. Yes. Yet the likes of Chyna & Lita & Trish were given centre stage often enough they were credible wrestlers. 5. Sure, but name 1 industry where that hasn't improved. 6. Jericho, Rey, Benoit, Eddie... fodder?? 7. No because that's an arbitrary pov. I've never heard that take ever before, not least from those in the know. His health took him out of the grind, thus the main event circuit. 8. WWE Network buys for nostalgia. Next. 9. Wrestling was on the cover of Entertainment Weekly & a legitimate television mainstay. lols 10.I think the showmanship of WM has never been greater. The in-ring product? Yeah no.
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Post by mrellaguru on Jan 25, 2019 18:46:02 GMT
I eventually stopped watching after WWE bought WCW. The product was much more entertaining when there were two companies competing on Monday nights.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 25, 2019 19:21:35 GMT
I eventually stopped watching after WWE bought WCW. The product was much more entertaining when there were two companies competing on Monday nights. I think I began to stop once Cena was drafted to RAW. It was as if, okay what's next? And they've still never delivered a next to this day. Cena should've turned heel at least once. Sure he was a cereal box icon, that's why you turn him back face for an even bigger pop. So stupid.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jan 25, 2019 20:17:50 GMT
I'm a New Generation Era guy, so I don't take potshots at any other eras. Except the current one, of course.
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Post by petrolino on Jan 26, 2019 3:25:04 GMT
I'll always enjoy watching the wrestling but I'm also probably blinded by nostalgia.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 26, 2019 20:58:45 GMT
I'll always enjoy watching the wrestling but I'm also probably blinded by nostalgia. The thing with the Attitude Era reminds me of stuff like grunge music or something... where you had to be there, when every new'ness of it was omg wtf. Bingeing on it nowadays, reading about it, etc... doesn't impact the same as when it was first airing & it'd never been seen or done before. For me it unofficially began when Superstars or whatever G rated wkend show of theirs aired the Austin smashing Pillman's ankle in the chairs. All bets were off after that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 23:28:23 GMT
WCW invasion didn't ruin Stone Cold's run...
He was suffering from neck injury sustained from a match with Owen Hart. He never fully recovered.
He had a whole run where he was the CEO and then a corporate stooge etc... All so he could stay relevant and not have to wrestle.
Plus, he refused to wrestle Hulk Hogan at WM X8, so they gave it to The Rock and that propelled the Rock into even greater fame. That match was legendary.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 28, 2019 15:48:51 GMT
I'll always enjoy watching the wrestling but I'm also probably blinded by nostalgia. The thing with the Attitude Era reminds me of stuff like grunge music or something... where you had to be there, when every new'ness of it was omg wtf. Bingeing on it nowadays, reading about it, etc... doesn't impact the same as when it was first airing & it'd never been seen or done before. For me it unofficially began when Superstars or whatever G rated wkend show of theirs aired the Austin smashing Pillman's ankle in the chairs. All bets were off after that. That was a great segment. He clobbered Pillman from behind. The leg smashing was shocking at the time. I'd never seen a chair used that way before.
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Post by cwsims on Jan 28, 2019 17:52:28 GMT
the wcw invasion had nothing to do with ruining Austin austins career was ruined after he suffered an injury during his feud with owen hart. as previously stated never fully recovering from his injury was what caused him to refuse feuds with Hogan. lesnar. gurerro. etc and what ultimately led to him walking out of the company in the summer of 02. Austin later admitted his injury and doctors advising him not to wrestle was what caused him to get cold feet and snobby attitudes towards proposed storylines vince and wwe had planned for him
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