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Post by kevin on Feb 7, 2019 16:04:19 GMT
Season 8 is very close now so I should continue this if I still want to finish it. Here's some data for season 4 and a list of the episodes: Episode | IMDb rating | Rotten Tom avg | Viewer numbers (millions) | Two Swords | 9.1 | 9.0 | 6.64 | The Lion and the Rose | 9.7 | 9.5 | 6.31 | Breaker of Chains | 8.9 | 8.7 | 6.59 | Oathkeeper | 8.9 | 8.1 | 6.95 | First of His Name | 8.8 | 8.3 | 7.16 | The Laws of Gods and Men | 9.7 | 9.0 | 6.40 | Mockingbird | 9.2 | 9.0 | 7.20 | The Mountain and the Viper | 9.7 | 9.3 | 7.17 | The Watchers on the Wall | 9.6 | 9.6 | 6.95 | The Children | 9.7 | 9.5 | 7.09 | AVG | 9.33 | 9.00 | 6.85 |
The average Rotten Tomatoes ratings for episodes 3, 4, 7 & 8 weren't available so I manually calculated them using the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. What did you think of season 4 in general? What where your favorite moments/episodes/characters/plot twists and what were your least favorite ones? What would you have changed? This is just a general discussion of everything relating to season 4, so say what you want .
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Feb 7, 2019 16:47:55 GMT
This season was a major turning point for two important characters.
First, Daenerys revealed her true nature by passing a blanket judgement on the Meereenese masters. She kept stumbling upon every stone available on the way, which is understandable for a "ruler" without any experience. For a time it looked like she was learning, but later seasons showed her increasingly less willing to do so. "A wise young king listens to his counsellors and heeds their advice until he comes of age. And the wisest kings continue to listen to them long afterwards." These words from Tywin to Tommen exemplify what Daenerys fails to do. By S7, she has come to the conclusion that "ignoring smart men" is the way to go. She'll "be a dragon" instead, following her stupid or disgusting impulses. She is the hero of the dumb and resentful, of the vindictive scum of the earth and of all those who think a bigger hammer solves complex problems better.
The other one who fell was Tyrion. There had been signs of self-pity all along but S4 brought them in plain sight at his trial. Littlefinger wanted Sansa to be made a widow and the Tyrells needed a scapegoat to clear themselves of all suspicion. Framed by a few with a personal interest, attacked by those he had threatened in the past, betrayed by those who had to save themselves first, Tyrion did not hesitate to issue an angry blanket accusation to the world out of pure uncontrolled spite. Set free by his brother, he decided to throw himself away again to go murder his own father then joined the Targaryen monster in hope of completing his revenge plans.
Two of the series favourites had turned into full villains.
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Post by Troyal1 on Feb 7, 2019 17:48:54 GMT
Season 4 was the best season in my view. Alex graves directed so many iconic scenes.
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Post by Seto on Feb 8, 2019 13:17:19 GMT
There are some truly amazing parts in this season, but also a number of disappointing parts as well. As a result it comes across a little uneven.
Much of the problem comes from the fact that D&D seemed to be determined to have the season end with the ending of 'A Storm of Swords,' except most of that book was adapted in season 3. Hence a lot of needless filler comes in season four.
The best parts are the Tyrion, Oberyn and Tywin plot. The three actors playing them are incredible, and in a lot of ways Oberyn is a lot more likeable in the show as opposed to the book. Most of the scenes are pretty accurate to the book, and they are tense and exciting. The one let down is the change of the Shae character and her reasons for betraying Tyrion. In the show she really stupidly betrays him for jealousy over Sansa. Also Tyrion kills Tywin over Shae, rather than Tysha.
Other good parts of the season include Joffrey's death, the battle at the Wall and Natalie Dormer's performance as Margaery.
Disappointing aspects of the season are mainly the continuing watering down of many characters and plot lines. Namely Littlefinger and Arya's storyline. Jamie also severely suffers in this season. The writers seem determined to prolong his noble transformation for a really long time.
Worst parts of the season are the ridiculous sub-plots added, namely Jon's expedition to kill the Nights Watch mutineers, and worse still Yara's "attempt" to save Theon from Ramsay.
Overall there's enough good stuff in this season to make it enjoyable, but there are some glaring problems. I'd say its fairly close to season 2 in quality.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Feb 8, 2019 13:33:28 GMT
The one let down is the change of the Shae character and her reasons for betraying Tyrion. In the show she really stupidly betrays him for jealousy over Sansa. There is no reason to think that. The pained look on her face when she turns around to him at the trial tells it: "I'm a whore, remember?" Fast shooters with little brains jump to the conclusion they want but the show has left hints that she must have been arrested on the ship and brought to Tywin, then it even had Tyrion tell her once "you can't fuck your way out of everything". In her present situation, with no Tyrion to protect her, she has to again. She's a whore, remember? That's all she is without him, so that's what she does.
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Post by Seto on Feb 8, 2019 13:44:33 GMT
There is no reason to think that. The pained look on her face when she turns around to him at the trial tells it: "I'm a whore, remember?" Fast shooters with little brains jump to the conclusion they want but the show has left hints that she must have been arrested on the ship and brought to Tywin, then it even had Tyrion tell her once "you can't fuck your way out of everything". In her present situation, with no Tyrion to protect her, she has to again. She's a whore, remember? That's all she is without him, so that's what she does. Umm, no. She is saying that line with anger at Tyrion for what she perceives was him sweeping her aside for Sansa. As contrived as that sounds, its the route D&D chose to go. You continue to make up whatever nonsense you believe because you live in your own delusional headspace. There is no hint that she was arrested on the ship, that's in your moronic head. Anyway, I know your just a loser troll, always trying to bait me. Well you won this time, but I'll go back to ignoring you now.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Feb 8, 2019 13:53:54 GMT
I'll go back to ignoring you now. Fine. I'll keep pointing out idiots and their stupidities for the benefit of whomever else reads them. I can see a look on an actor's face, hear a tone in a voice. That's something book wankers apparently are no very skilled at doing. This place would be better off if they went back to discussing their juvenile fantasy crap in appropriate places.
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