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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 6:29:29 GMT
I don't know about that take this oldie as an example where in the middle a guy starts with spoken vocals as a counterpoint. And tell me it's not a song:
I only listened to the first 15 seconds. That's a song. Somebody is singing over music.
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Post by lunda2222 on Mar 15, 2019 6:31:29 GMT
I don't know about that take this oldie as an example where in the middle a guy starts with spoken vocals as a counterpoint. And tell me it's not a song:
I only listened to the first 15 seconds. That's a song. Somebody is singing over music. Go to 1:30.
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2019 6:32:15 GMT
Why does the song become music when someone talks over it? I never said that. I have been consistent from the beginning of this thread. Somebody talking over music is not a song. I'm not questioning your consistency. You said an instrumental is a song because it has melody. Then you said if spoken vocals are added, it's absolutely not a song anymore, but rather somebody talking over music. Thus my question, which I'll rephrase for clarity: Why does the song become music when spoken vocals are added to it? ps. I just noticed this thread is in Politics. Moving to Music General...
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 6:38:47 GMT
I never said that. I have been consistent from the beginning of this thread. Somebody talking over music is not a song. I'm not questioning your consistency. You said an instrumental is a song because it has melody. Then you said if spoken vocals are added, it's absolutely not a song anymore, but rather somebody talking over music. Thus my question, which I'll rephrase for clarity: Why does the song become music when spoken vocals are added to it? ps. I just noticed this thread is in Politics. Moving to Music General... It doesn't become music. It was music already. Adding spoken words doesn't change that. This belongs in politics. Rap is not music. Rap song and rap music are oxymorons.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 6:40:43 GMT
I only listened to the first 15 seconds. That's a song. Somebody is singing over music. Go to 1:30. Having a speech in the middle doesn't change it from a song. Most of the song is singing over music.
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2019 6:43:59 GMT
I'm not questioning your consistency. You said an instrumental is a song because it has melody. Then you said if spoken vocals are added, it's absolutely not a song anymore, but rather somebody talking over music. Thus my question, which I'll rephrase for clarity: Why does the song become music when spoken vocals are added to it? ps. I just noticed this thread is in Politics. Moving to Music General... It doesn't become music. It was music already. Adding spoken words doesn't change that. If it has a melody, is it music or a song? It's more appropriate in music than politics, and since I'm active in this one, I don't want to be a hypocrite, so I moved it. I'll meet you in the middle and move it to the Rap board if you prefer... To be referenced later, I'm sure. lol
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 6:47:35 GMT
It doesn't become music. It was music already. Adding spoken words doesn't change that. If it has a melody, is it music or a song? It's more appropriate in music than politics, and since I'm active in this one, I don't want to be a hypocrite, so I moved it. I'll meet you in the middle and move it to the Rap board if you prefer... To be referenced later, I'm sure. lol It probably won't get as much exposure on the music or rap boards as in politics. If the vocals are sung it is a song. If the vocals are spoken, it is not a song.
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Post by lunda2222 on Mar 15, 2019 6:52:54 GMT
Having a speech in the middle doesn't change it from a song. Most of the song is singing over music. I agree.
But you said "absolutely" when asked "But if spoken vocals are added, it's not a song anymore?" In this case it's obviously not so.
I think it must be a matter of degrees. The problem is where can one draw the line?
Can one as an example say that if speech is a counterpoint to singing it's still a song, but if it's singing making a counterpoint to speech it's not?
I honestly don't know, which is why I'm asking.
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2019 6:58:55 GMT
If it has a melody, is it music or a song? It's more appropriate in music than politics, and since I'm active in this one, I don't want to be a hypocrite, so I moved it. I'll meet you in the middle and move it to the Rap board if you prefer... To be referenced later, I'm sure. lol It probably won't get as much exposure on the music or rap boards as in politics. If the vocals are sung it is a song. If the vocals are spoken, it is not a song. According to you: If it's an instrumental with a melody, it's a song. If it's an instrumental with a melody and spoken vocals, it's somebody talking over music. I'll just leave it at that. If I ask the question again, I'll be perpetuating your dance around it. Good talk!
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 7:02:57 GMT
Having a speech in the middle doesn't change it from a song. Most of the song is singing over music. I agree.
But you said "absolutely" when asked "But if spoken vocals are added, it's not a song anymore?" In this case it's obviously not so.
I think it must be a matter of degrees. The problem is where can one draw the line?
Can one as an example say that if speech is a counterpoint to singing it's still a song, but if it's singing making a counterpoint to speech it's not?
I honestly don't know, which is why I'm asking.
I never thought about it in that much detail before. I guess when the singing is 51 percent of the song, it's a song. When the talking is 51 percent of the track, it is not a song.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 7:05:14 GMT
It probably won't get as much exposure on the music or rap boards as in politics. If the vocals are sung it is a song. If the vocals are spoken, it is not a song. According to you: If it's an instrumental with a melody, it's a song. If it's an instrumental with a melody and spoken vocals, it's somebody talking over music. I'll just leave it at that. If I ask the question again, I'll be perpetuating your dance around it. Good talk! I would think this would be enough; If it's an instrumental with a melody, it's a song. If it's an instrumental with a melody and spoken vocals, it's somebody talking over music.
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2019 7:07:13 GMT
I guess when the singing is 51 percent of the song, it's a song. Remember, it's also a song when the singing (or the talking!) is 0 percent... Cheers.
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2019 7:09:13 GMT
According to you: If it's an instrumental with a melody, it's a song. If it's an instrumental with a melody and spoken vocals, it's somebody talking over music. I'll just leave it at that. If I ask the question again, I'll be perpetuating your dance around it. Good talk! I would think this would be enough; If it's an instrumental with a melody, it's a song. If it's an instrumental with a melody and spoken vocals, it's somebody talking over music.Thus my [unanswered] question. Oh well. There are greater mysteries in life. lol
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 7:16:26 GMT
I guess when the singing is 51 percent of the song, it's a song. Remember, it's also a song when the singing (or the talking!) is 0 percent... Cheers. That's the difference between a song with vocals. And an instrumental. That has never changed.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 7:17:09 GMT
I would think this would be enough; If it's an instrumental with a melody, it's a song. If it's an instrumental with a melody and spoken vocals, it's somebody talking over music.Thus my [unanswered] question. Oh well. There are greater mysteries in life. lol Are you trying to make a point? I would assume you see mine.
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2019 7:23:54 GMT
Thus my [unanswered] question. Oh well. There are greater mysteries in life. lol Are you trying to make a point? I would assume you see mine. No, I was simply trying to understand why adding spoken vocals to an instrumental with a melody (ie, a song) isn't somebody talking over a song (ie, an instrumental with a melody). According to you, the song becomes music when spoken vocals are added to it. I find that interesting, but not interesting enough to keep dancing in circles over it.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 7:39:45 GMT
Are you trying to make a point? I would assume you see mine. No, I was simply trying to understand why adding spoken vocals to an instrumental with a melody (ie, a song) isn't somebody talking over a song (ie, an instrumental with a melody). According to you, the song becomes music when spoken vocals are added to it. I find that interesting, but not interesting enough to keep dancing in circles over it. I never said a song becomes music when spoken vocals are added to it. An instrumental has music. That doesn't change when spoken vocals are added. It is still music in the background. It just isn't a song.
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2019 8:23:14 GMT
No, I was simply trying to understand why adding spoken vocals to an instrumental with a melody (ie, a song) isn't somebody talking over a song (ie, an instrumental with a melody). According to you, the song becomes music when spoken vocals are added to it. I find that interesting, but not interesting enough to keep dancing in circles over it. I never said a song becomes music when spoken vocals are added to it. You said: If the vocals are sung it is a song. If the vocals are spoken, it is not a song.Going by these terms, let's say we have a melodic instrumental - AKA a song. If we add sung vocals to it, it remains a song. If we add spoken vocals to it, it is no longer a song. When I asked what it was if it was no longer a song, you said it was somebody talking over music. Why isn't it somebody talking over a song? But it was a song before the spoken vocals were added. You said so yourself. And here you are, calling it music again. Is it just a semantic thing? Because if it is, it should be ok to say that if we add spoken vocals to a melodic instrumental (a song), then it simply becomes somebody talking over a song.
No?
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 8:42:10 GMT
I never said a song becomes music when spoken vocals are added to it. You said: If the vocals are sung it is a song. If the vocals are spoken, it is not a song.Going by these terms, let's say we have a melodic instrumental - AKA a song. If we add sung vocals to it, it remains a song. If we add spoken vocals to it, it is no longer a song. When I asked what it was if it was no longer a song, you said it was somebody talking over music. Why isn't it somebody talking over a song? But it was a song before the spoken vocals were added. You said so yourself. And here you are, calling it music again. Is it just a semantic thing? Because if it is, it should be ok to say that if we add spoken vocals to a melodic instrumental (a song), then it simply becomes somebody talking over a song.
No?
If you have an instrumental song, and somebody talks over that instrumental song, it is somebody talking over a song.
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2019 9:05:04 GMT
If you have an instrumental song, and somebody talks over that instrumental song, it is somebody talking over a song. Awesome. I don't suppose you would agree that rap is somebody talking over a song?
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