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Post by stargazer1682 on Feb 25, 2019 4:06:06 GMT
Rewatching "Deep Down" and I find myself conflicted with Angel kicking Connor out of the hotel. On the one hand, yeah, there needed to be serious repercussions; and Connor presented some level of threat towards the AI team. And yet, that threat, to whatever it degree it existed beyond his animosity towards Angel, was true regardless where he was; and at the very least it seems like he'd be more dangerous roaming around free than someplace they could at least monitor him. Plus, what was Angel's long term plan for eventually building any kind of trust or relationship with Connor, by sending him out into the world? Does he expect him to learn some kind of lesson and come back reformed? That's assuming he sees things the same way Angel or anyone else did and feels that what he did was wrong, rather than justified.
It also doesn't seem to take into account that, for one thing, Connor has not had the most well adjusted upbringing to date; and kicking him out does nothing to help fix that. Nor the fact that he was just a pawn in Holtz's plan to exact revenge, by manipulating Connor into thinking Angel killed him.
And that's all just from the perspective of where circumstances and the characters are at when the season starts; never mind how the rest of the season plays out. Taking into account the events that follow because Connor was kicked out, namely everything that went down between him and Cordelia, and it becomes an inadvertently bad decision in its own right. Plus Connor's mental and emotional state by the end of the season, it seems even less safe to just have let him roam free without supervision or some type of guiding influence.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Feb 25, 2019 14:35:30 GMT
We can forgive Angel for not being in the right frame of mind after going insane with starvation for several months.
While it's true Angel couldn't build trust with Connor by kicking him out, he couldn't do it either by keeping him prisoner. At this point, Angel doesn't trust that Connor won't be a threat to his team if it means more revenge on Angel. Letting Connor discover the world on his own isn't an inherently terrible thing. Lot's of parents do it. Both shows were metaphors for things that happen in real life, just with an operatic, supernatural twist.
And yes, things do go south, but not because they're necessarily traced back to this decision. It'd be like blaming Ms. Calendar's death on Buffy's first kiss with Angel on Halloween. It was a confluence of many events.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Feb 25, 2019 15:48:19 GMT
We can forgive Angel for not being in the right frame of mind after going insane with starvation for several months. While it's true Angel couldn't build trust with Connor by kicking him out, he couldn't do it either by keeping him prisoner. At this point, Angel doesn't trust that Connor won't be a threat to his team if it means more revenge on Angel. Letting Connor discover the world on his own isn't an inherently terrible thing. Lot's of parents do it. Both shows were metaphors for things that happen in real life, just with an operatic, supernatural twist. And yes, things do go south, but not because they're necessarily traced back to this decision. It'd be like blaming Ms. Calendar's death on Buffy's first kiss with Angel on Halloween. It was a confluence of many events. What I find especially interesting about Angel kicking Connor out, is even though the circumstances are different, there's a striking a parallel between Angel telling his son to leave his house and Angel's own father doing the same to him once upon a time. And oddly enough, Connor likewise is taken advantage of by an older, evil woman.... Still, while his actions aren't blameless, and still acknowledging the fact that he could give Dawn and Wesley Crusher a run for their money when it comes to obnoxious character; the thing that gets me is that Connor is ultimately nothing more than a pawn in how any of this plays out. He never stood a chance, to borrow a cliche. He's robbed of having any kind of well adjusted upbringing, yet despite that it looked like he was on the verge of bonding with Angel before Holtz came back from Quor'toth. And even then, if Holtz hadn't been such a dick and staged his death to look like it had been at the hands of Angel, it's still entirely possible Angel could have gotten through to Connor and built something with him. Sinking him to the bottom of the ocean is hard to forgive, but at the same time a significant portion of the blame rests on Holtz and Justine; Connor was acting on honed instincts that were lead astray. It doesn't even seem to be a matter of trust or safety, which was the main premise the people in the other discussion focused on. They honed in on how Connor went after Fred in order to escape, which was arguably more defensive than malicious; and they apparently didn't deem him much of a threat, that he could be relatively trusted not to hurt Cordelia when she turned to him without her memory. He wasn't on the same threat level as say, Spike or Andrew during the same time period over on Buffy, who had to be bound or chained. I'm not sure what keeping him around and trying to rehabilitate him would look like, but the more I think of it, the more that seems like the better alternative.
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