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Post by azzajones on Mar 1, 2019 8:18:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 17:58:44 GMT
Shame.
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 3, 2019 12:01:11 GMT
Good. Discovery has found its feet remarkably quickly; far quicker than most other Trek series. Can you imagine how good it could become if given a traditional seven season run?
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 17, 2019 16:06:30 GMT
Good. Discovery has found its feet remarkably quickly; far quicker than most other Trek series. Can you imagine how good it could become if given a traditional seven season run? I have no idea. It's not canon, hence, I've never bothered to watch a single episode.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 17:10:49 GMT
Maybe it's gotten better but that first season pretty much ruined me on watching any more of this.
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Post by leesilm on May 6, 2019 23:10:10 GMT
I just bought the first season on DVD (I have crap internet, so streaming is not an option), but at a friend's house, he pulled up a few episodes at random. They were pretty good. Really liking three of the characters- Ash Tyler, Saru, and of course- Pike (I have always loved Pike, in every version/timeline/universe), so I'm looking forward to finally getting to see the whole first season and possibly getting the second at some point, and then the third whenever it if filmed, released, and put on DVD.
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Post by xystophoros on May 17, 2019 8:09:20 GMT
Good. Discovery has found its feet remarkably quickly; far quicker than most other Trek series. Can you imagine how good it could become if given a traditional seven season run? I have no idea. It's not canon, hence, I've never bothered to watch a single episode.
What do you mean it's not canon? Did Paramount just declare that for some reason?
I mean, don't get me wrong, I think Discovery is fucking terrible and not at all in the spirit of what Star Trek is, just like the JJ Abrams reboots, but I was under the impression it was canon like every other ST show.
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Post by leesilm on May 18, 2019 6:21:33 GMT
I have no idea. It's not canon, hence, I've never bothered to watch a single episode.
What do you mean it's not canon? Did Paramount just declare that for some reason?
I mean, don't get me wrong, I think Discovery is fucking terrible and not at all in the spirit of what Star Trek is, just like the JJ Abrams reboots, but I was under the impression it was canon like every other ST show.
I've been a little confused by this "not canon" argument as well, that I hear a lot lately. Do they mean because [SPOILERS - DO NOT READ BEYOND THIS POINT IF YOU HAVE NOT FINISHED THE SECOND SEASON. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED. BEYOND THIS POINT THERE BE SPOILERS, PEOPLE, SPOILERS] they had the Discovery ship/chunk of the crew fly into the future and the records of them have been scrubbed up so they won't ever be mentioned again, and the ship will be reported to have been destroyed during an unspecified scientific mission? That it will be so far into the future, everything that happened in TOS/NextG will be the distant past to the people they'll meet in their new time? Because anything that happened up until they jumped, would technically be canon. Granted, if this takes place AFTER Kirk's birth but before Kirk & co. face off against the time-displaced Romulans under Nero, technically they can move around a little on canon because Pike's original destiny had been to have his fate from TOS. But, if you go with the idea that every time meddles with time, they create a new outcropping of time/reality. So by that theory- everything that happened in the original show, will still happen, in one reality/timeline. Everything that happened because of them going back in time to get the whales, will create a new timeline. Everything done on DISCO where they mess with time will create a new timeline. Then there's the Kelvin Timeline, etc. etc. etc., so canon can be a little wobbly.
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Post by bluerisk on Jun 14, 2019 15:09:29 GMT
What do you mean it's not canon? Did Paramount just declare that for some reason?
I mean, don't get me wrong, I think Discovery is fucking terrible and not at all in the spirit of what Star Trek is, just like the JJ Abrams reboots, but I was under the impression it was canon like every other ST show.
I've been a little confused by this "not canon" argument as well, that I hear a lot lately. Do they mean because [SPOILERS - DO NOT READ BEYOND THIS POINT IF YOU HAVE NOT FINISHED THE SECOND SEASON. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED. BEYOND THIS POINT THERE BE SPOILERS, PEOPLE, SPOILERS] they had the Discovery ship/chunk of the crew fly into the future and the records of them have been scrubbed up so they won't ever be mentioned again, and the ship will be reported to have been destroyed during an unspecified scientific mission? That it will be so far into the future, everything that happened in TOS/NextG will be the distant past to the people they'll meet in their new time? Because anything that happened up until they jumped, would technically be canon. Granted, if this takes place AFTER Kirk's birth but before Kirk & co. face off against the time-displaced Romulans under Nero, technically they can move around a little on canon because Pike's original destiny had been to have his fate from TOS. But, if you go with the idea that every time meddles with time, they create a new outcropping of time/reality. So by that theory- everything that happened in the original show, will still happen, in one reality/timeline. Everything that happened because of them going back in time to get the whales, will create a new timeline. Everything done on DISCO where they mess with time will create a new timeline. Then there's the Kelvin Timeline, etc. etc. etc., so canon can be a little wobbly. The canon, the history and lore, is more than just a list of time tables which contain certain events: take the look of the Klingons, the design of their ships etc. pp. that is all part of it. Of you don't care about these aspects , you also shouldn't care what is Chinese, what Russian, or what French albeit each of these cultures distinguish from each other through their style, architecture, writing, language, look ...or to sum it up in one word: their culture. This show is a gross violation of the canon. Period. For Americans, a people without true history and culture, it doesn't matter. For a European it does.
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Post by leesilm on Jun 19, 2019 0:20:51 GMT
I've been a little confused by this "not canon" argument as well, that I hear a lot lately. Do they mean because [SPOILERS - DO NOT READ BEYOND THIS POINT IF YOU HAVE NOT FINISHED THE SECOND SEASON. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED. BEYOND THIS POINT THERE BE SPOILERS, PEOPLE, SPOILERS] they had the Discovery ship/chunk of the crew fly into the future and the records of them have been scrubbed up so they won't ever be mentioned again, and the ship will be reported to have been destroyed during an unspecified scientific mission? That it will be so far into the future, everything that happened in TOS/NextG will be the distant past to the people they'll meet in their new time? Because anything that happened up until they jumped, would technically be canon. Granted, if this takes place AFTER Kirk's birth but before Kirk & co. face off against the time-displaced Romulans under Nero, technically they can move around a little on canon because Pike's original destiny had been to have his fate from TOS. But, if you go with the idea that every time meddles with time, they create a new outcropping of time/reality. So by that theory- everything that happened in the original show, will still happen, in one reality/timeline. Everything that happened because of them going back in time to get the whales, will create a new timeline. Everything done on DISCO where they mess with time will create a new timeline. Then there's the Kelvin Timeline, etc. etc. etc., so canon can be a little wobbly. The canon, the history and lore, is more than just a list of time tables which contain certain events: take the look of the Klingons, the design of their ships etc. pp. that is all part of it. Of you don't care about these aspects , you also shouldn't care what is Chinese, what Russian, or what French albeit each of these cultures distinguish from each other through their style, architecture, writing, language, look ...or to sum it up in one word: their culture. This show is a gross violation of the canon. Period. For Americans, a people without true history and culture, it doesn't matter. For a European it does. Well, I mean the Klingons in TOS as well as their ships, tech, whatnot, look almost nothing like the Klingons and their ships, weapons, clothes, etc. from NEXT GEN. Then you had ENTERPRISE, which figured out a backdoor way of explaining the differences - and it actually made a lot of sense. But the Klingons in the new Kelvin Timeline movies don't look exactly like the Klingons from any of the previous movies/shows. The Romulans change even more, from show to show. Part of it is TOS had Christmas lights struck through cardboard and painted over salt'n'pepper shakers because they had the kind of budget that you get that with (heck, the reason Kirk's fancy "state dinner" Green Shirt was actually almost the same color as his regular gold/yellow tunic but the lights on set and cameras of the era made it appear to be that olive-like shade of green.). NEXT GEN had a nice enough budget that no one was using Christmas lights. Shatner ran out of money making one of the movies and had to cut entire sections out of it, so the bad guy ended up being a light-up face who could shoot small lightening bolts at people. Then you've got the Kelvin Timeline movies that had MCU level budgets. I don't think that Americans automatically are going to embrace or be blind to such changes cause they have no culture due to being so young. I think many are just willing to embrace the nostalgia of a show based in something they love that goes back a couple generations in the family, and are willing to also embrace the changes that new voices, bigger budgets, better technology, etc. have offered. Granted, I've only seen a few episode of the new STAR TREK DISCOVER (Such an unfortunate set of initials though, I must say), but I liked what I saw of it for the most part. I quite liked Pike for the little I saw of him, Michael Burnham is an interesting character who I look forward to seeing more of, the new Sarek is phenomenal, I haven't gotten to see the new Spock so I haven't got any idea about him, I love Tilly- she's got the best sense of humour and she's a hoot, Ash Tyler is amazing, and I like the woman that's buried in all the computer parts. I got to see part of an episode from the second season with Phillipa from the Mirror Verse, and I swear I could watch her all day - she's so sassy. I'm sorry you think there is any chunk of the fandom that is better than another chunk. I thought TREK was about inclusion, acceptance, and embracing new ideas. I guess some people missed the memo.
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