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Post by Winston Wolfe on Mar 3, 2019 6:07:10 GMT
Still a little over a month to go, but figured I'd start a thread.
Anywho, just finished a rewatch of the first 7 seasons. Hadn't watched the first 2-3 since they aired; forgot damn near everything about them. It was almost like I was watching the show for the first time again.
Don't really care who "wins" at the end, Daenerys, the White Walkers, etc. as long as it doesn't end in a cliffhanger. Too many damn shows end like this because they "want to keep the audience talking." Lazy writing, imo.
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 3, 2019 6:10:53 GMT
My wife and I are in the midst of a rewatch. We’re in the middle of season 3 right now.
I also don’t care who wins, as long as the final season is entertaining and isn’t plagued by the idiotic writing of season 7.
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Post by hehatesshe on Mar 3, 2019 6:41:10 GMT
Still a little over a month to go, but figured I'd start a thread. Anywho, just finished a rewatch of the first 7 seasons. Hadn't watched the first 2-3 since they aired; forgot damn near everything about them. It was almost like I was watching the show for the first time again. Don't really care who "wins" at the end, Daenerys, the White Walkers, etc. as long as it doesn't end in a cliffhanger. Too many damn shows end like this because they "want to keep the audience talking." Lazy writing, imo. I hate that it's only gonna be 6 episodes. You guys don't care who wins, but any predictions on big plot points? Betrayals? Deaths? Will Tormund get with his beloved?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 3, 2019 6:55:56 GMT
Seems like rewatches are a popular thing. Ours starts next week. I just hope there's no cute shit at the end, like Lost, St. Elsewhere or The Sopranos. I can see HBO doing sometnhing to set up sequels (I know the next is a prequel but HBO will milk this dry).
Wondering if George R.R Martin will ever finish the books, which by now will just be filmbooks of the series. What a crapout that fat ass turned out to be. All the "I'm working on it, honest" bullshit.
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 3, 2019 7:00:08 GMT
Wondering if George R.R Martin will ever finish the books, which by now will just be filmbooks of the series. I don't think so. Actually, the books and the show feel like completely different entities at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 7:00:24 GMT
The one single thing that I am rooting for to happen is for Sansa to just fucking die. I mean I want her to die in the dumbest and most worthless way possible. I don't want some heroic or trial situation. I want her to wake up one morning and fall face first into a pile of horse shit and forget all human functions and just drown herself in horse shit while everyone points and laughs.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 3, 2019 7:16:02 GMT
Wondering if George R.R Martin will ever finish the books, which by now will just be filmbooks of the series. I don't think so. Actually, the books and the show feel like completely different entities at this point. He said he turned down a cameo in the last season to work on Winds of Winter, but I've been hearing that for years. The books are too radically different from the series, like you said. He obviously was going in a different direction than HBO wanted and he can't keep going down that road. He will have to bring the books back into line with the series and who will really give a shit after we see how it all ends.
heard rumors that Lady Stoneheart makes an appearance in the last season but they will have to waste too much time bringing that backstory into the series.
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 3, 2019 7:19:34 GMT
I don't think so. Actually, the books and the show feel like completely different entities at this point. He said he turned down a cameo in the last season to work on Winds of Winter, but I've been hearing that for years. The books are too radically different from the series, like you said. He obviously was going in a different direction than HBO wanted and he can't keep going down that road.
Why is that? I don't think the final books need to reflect the final seasons of the show at all.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 3, 2019 7:29:33 GMT
He said he turned down a cameo in the last season to work on Winds of Winter, but I've been hearing that for years. The books are too radically different from the series, like you said. He obviously was going in a different direction than HBO wanted and he can't keep going down that road.
Why is that? I don't think the final books need to reflect the final seasons of the show at all. I don't think the books can be radically different from the show anymore. Suppose Martin decided to kill off (for real) Tyrion Lannister or Jon Snow in Winds of Winter? How will fans like that, knowing there's still Book 7 to come? The real "Big Bad" of the entire plot, the White Walkers and the Night King, aren't even in the books yet. Will he have to shoehorn all of that into the last two or were they an invention of HBO and were never going to be a real factor in the books?
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 3, 2019 7:45:57 GMT
Why is that? I don't think the final books need to reflect the final seasons of the show at all. I don't think the books can be radically different from the show anymore. Suppose Martin decided to kill off (for real) Tyrion Lannister or Jon Snow in Winds of Winter? How will fans like that, knowing there's still Book 7 to come? The real "Big Bad" of the entire plot, the White Walkers and the Night King, aren't even in the books yet. Will he have to shoehorn all of that into the last two or were they an invention of HBO and were never going to be a real factor in the books?
The previous season may have been rushed as hell but the books aren't - the opposite in fact. There's ample room to delve more into the White Walkers in the remaining books. And if the Night King was an HBO invention, then he simply won't appear in the books. Martin's under no obligation at all to change his story to reflect the HBO series. He has far more characters, far more sideplots, far more details than the show does. So what if he does kill Tyrion in book 6? Fans didn't like it when he killed Ned in book 1, Robb in book 3 etc. I really don't see why he has to change anything just so it's more in line with the series.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 3, 2019 14:51:28 GMT
I don't think the books can be radically different from the show anymore. Suppose Martin decided to kill off (for real) Tyrion Lannister or Jon Snow in Winds of Winter? How will fans like that, knowing there's still Book 7 to come? The real "Big Bad" of the entire plot, the White Walkers and the Night King, aren't even in the books yet. Will he have to shoehorn all of that into the last two or were they an invention of HBO and were never going to be a real factor in the books?
The previous season may have been rushed as hell but the books aren't - the opposite in fact. There's ample room to delve more into the White Walkers in the remaining books. And if the Night King was an HBO invention, then he simply won't appear in the books. Martin's under no obligation at all to change his story to reflect the HBO series. He has far more characters, far more sideplots, far more details than the show does. So what if he does kill Tyrion in book 6? Fans didn't like it when he killed Ned in book 1, Robb in book 3 etc. I really don't see why he has to change anything just so it's more in line with the series. My concern is that he changes his original ideas for the books as a middle finger to HBO, or just to outwit himself since it's taken him so long to finish it, many fans have already figured out every major plot point (R+L=J, that kind of thing). I don't want the books ruined by a bitter writer who thinks he can outsmart the internet by going sideways for no reason (i.e., Rian Johnson with The Last Jedi; M. Night Shyamalan, etc.).
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on Mar 3, 2019 17:21:31 GMT
The previous season may have been rushed as hell but the books aren't - the opposite in fact. There's ample room to delve more into the White Walkers in the remaining books. And if the Night King was an HBO invention, then he simply won't appear in the books. Martin's under no obligation at all to change his story to reflect the HBO series. He has far more characters, far more sideplots, far more details than the show does. So what if he does kill Tyrion in book 6? Fans didn't like it when he killed Ned in book 1, Robb in book 3 etc. I really don't see why he has to change anything just so it's more in line with the series. My concern is that he changes his original ideas for the books as a middle finger to HBO, or just to outwit himself since it's taken him so long to finish it, many fans have already figured out every major plot point (R+L=J, that kind of thing). I don't want the books ruined by a bitter writer who thinks he can outsmart the internet by going sideways for no reason (i.e., Rian Johnson with The Last Jedi; M. Night Shyamalan, etc.). I think part of the problem is Martin just doesn't care for the books anymore. Each book got longer, less tight, more tangential characters than the last. He's lost his inspiration for them. Ever since he killed Robb, I think he's lost his love (Martin has admitted that was the hardest chapter to write, having written the entire book, both before and after, and saving that chapter for last.)
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 3, 2019 17:22:50 GMT
I'm not feeling it to be honest.
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Post by MrFurious on Mar 3, 2019 17:34:13 GMT
I'll try to avoid spoilers and watch the lot over a footballess Sunday. Wont miss it when its gone tbh. I prefer zombies and terrorists
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 3, 2019 17:59:37 GMT
I don't think the books can be radically different from the show anymore. Suppose Martin decided to kill off (for real) Tyrion Lannister or Jon Snow in Winds of Winter? How will fans like that, knowing there's still Book 7 to come? The real "Big Bad" of the entire plot, the White Walkers and the Night King, aren't even in the books yet. Will he have to shoehorn all of that into the last two or were they an invention of HBO and were never going to be a real factor in the books?
The previous season may have been rushed as hell but the books aren't - the opposite in fact. There's ample room to delve more into the White Walkers in the remaining books. And if the Night King was an HBO invention, then he simply won't appear in the books. Martin's under no obligation at all to change his story to reflect the HBO series. He has far more characters, far more sideplots, far more details than the show does. So what if he does kill Tyrion in book 6? Fans didn't like it when he killed Ned in book 1, Robb in book 3 etc. I really don't see why he has to change anything just so it's more in line with the series. If you read the books first, you knew Ned's fate. But that was when the show and the books were in the same ballpark. Now it's Shining-esque. But, of course, the books are a Song of Ice and Fire and the show is Game of Thrones so I guess it can be two different things. Not spoiler, my theory... There's only one way this can end, end well anyway. The Night King has to die. It's like a line of dominos, when one White Walker "dies", all the undead he created died. Since the Night King is the beginning, when he gets turned into ice cubes, all the Undead go, Giants dragon all. Watch, this will be Ned Stark's nightmare, he will wake up, all will be as it was, with Robert coming to Winterfell (somewhat The Dark Tower, I know)
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Mar 5, 2019 16:36:26 GMT
New trailer.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Mar 5, 2019 16:51:10 GMT
The previous season may have been rushed as hell but the books aren't - the opposite in fact. There's ample room to delve more into the White Walkers in the remaining books. And if the Night King was an HBO invention, then he simply won't appear in the books. Martin's under no obligation at all to change his story to reflect the HBO series. He has far more characters, far more sideplots, far more details than the show does. So what if he does kill Tyrion in book 6? Fans didn't like it when he killed Ned in book 1, Robb in book 3 etc. I really don't see why he has to change anything just so it's more in line with the series. If you read the books first, you knew Ned's fate. But that was when the show and the books were in the same ballpark. Now it's Shining-esque. But, of course, the books are a Song of Ice and Fire and the show is Game of Thrones so I guess it can be two different things. Not spoiler, my theory... There's only one way this can end, end well anyway. The Night King has to die. It's like a line of dominos, when one White Walker "dies", all the undead he created died. Since the Night King is the beginning, when he gets turned into ice cubes, all the Undead go, Giants dragon all. Watch, this will be Ned Stark's nightmare, he will wake up, all will be as it was, with Robert coming to Winterfell (somewhat The Dark Tower, I know) I think Bran and the Night King are somehow inexorably linked, and perhaps in some ways Bran may have inadvertently retroactively created them, perhaps to thwart an impending victory by the Lannisters. And to take it a step further, when the Mad King is yelling "Burn Them All," it's Bran trying to warg into someone in the past to try to burn his newly created abominations but in his haste he fucks it up and enters the Mad King (perhaps in his dying moments he loses the full grasp of his power), thus initiating the driving force behind the entire storyline. Basically, it's Finnegan's Wake. I need a hobby.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 5, 2019 16:59:10 GMT
If you read the books first, you knew Ned's fate. But that was when the show and the books were in the same ballpark. Now it's Shining-esque. But, of course, the books are a Song of Ice and Fire and the show is Game of Thrones so I guess it can be two different things. Not spoiler, my theory... There's only one way this can end, end well anyway. The Night King has to die. It's like a line of dominos, when one White Walker "dies", all the undead he created died. Since the Night King is the beginning, when he gets turned into ice cubes, all the Undead go, Giants dragon all. Watch, this will be Ned Stark's nightmare, he will wake up, all will be as it was, with Robert coming to Winterfell (somewhat The Dark Tower, I know) I think Bran and the Night King are somehow inexorably linked, and perhaps in some ways Bran may have inadvertently retroactively have created them, perhaps to thwart an impending victory by the Lannisters. And to take it a step further, when the Mad King is yelling "Burn Them All," it's Bran trying to warg into someone in the past to try to burn his newly created abominations but in his haste he fucks it up and enters the Mad King (perhaps in his dying moments he loses the full grasp of his power), thus initiating the driving force behind the entire storyline. Basically, it's Finnegan's Wake. I need a hobby. This has actually been a popular theory for a lot of years. I think that Bran might actually BE the Night King.
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Post by orlandogardner on Mar 5, 2019 17:07:27 GMT
I usually look forward to my previous season re-watch before the new season starts but I found season 7 a little underwhelming. Lets be honest the writing quality of the show has nosedived since they have gone off the book's script. You can almost see the join. Everything in the books, and in the first few season, painted Westeros, Essos, and Sothoryos as these pretty sizeable continents, and the stories played out with that in mind. But as the show has gone on that's been chucked out of the window. Instead now we have armies and naval fleets hoping all over the gaff at the speed of light. Subsequently the show's plot now seem less like the game of chess it was supposed to be and has become a game of draughts (checkers) with all the pieces kinged, and it has suffered greatly because of this. Barring a few set-pieces of course which were suitably spectacular.
Of course I'll watch the final season but I'm not holding out much hope that I will be satisfied with the conclusion.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 5, 2019 17:22:37 GMT
If you read the books first, you knew Ned's fate. But that was when the show and the books were in the same ballpark. Now it's Shining-esque. But, of course, the books are a Song of Ice and Fire and the show is Game of Thrones so I guess it can be two different things. Not spoiler, my theory... There's only one way this can end, end well anyway. The Night King has to die. It's like a line of dominos, when one White Walker "dies", all the undead he created died. Since the Night King is the beginning, when he gets turned into ice cubes, all the Undead go, Giants dragon all. Watch, this will be Ned Stark's nightmare, he will wake up, all will be as it was, with Robert coming to Winterfell (somewhat The Dark Tower, I know) I think Bran and the Night King are somehow inexorably linked, and perhaps in some ways Bran may have inadvertently retroactively have created them, perhaps to thwart an impending victory by the Lannisters. And to take it a step further, when the Mad King is yelling "Burn Them All," it's Bran trying to warg into someone in the past to try to burn his newly created abominations but in his haste he fucks it up and enters the Mad King (perhaps in his dying moments he loses the full grasp of his power), thus initiating the driving force behind the entire storyline. Basically, it's Finnegan's Wake. I need a hobby. Always thought Bran would warg into one of the dragon and toast the Night King. Remember season one "You'll never walk, but you'll fly." Always taken to mean the Three Eyes Raven.
Yeah, I gotta quit this nerd shit. Next I'll be getting into arguments "Who's had the bigger package, Batman or Superman?'
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