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Post by DrKrippen on Apr 29, 2019 7:19:14 GMT
Was I the only one who couldn’t see shit for long stretches of this? I have 4K and even with the lights off I was looking at a black screen. That's been a complaint I've had and others I know have had for a while. All that money for a dark screen.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 29, 2019 12:04:45 GMT
Well that was shit. Seven seasons of hype and the guy gets shanked by someone hiding in the bushes? In thousands of years, the Children of the Forest never thought of this? All the lives lost in all of these recent battles and all it takes is Arya hiding in the bushes. What a cop out. The writers really screwed this up. What's worse, they seem to think we care what happens to Cruella Deville down in Kings Landing.
This is the most anticlimactic way I could've imagined the saga to end. The fate of the world was hanging in the balance when the threat was the white walkers. Now they expect me to tune in to watch some smirking bitch get her comeuppance? If I wanted that I'd watch a reality tv show. Incredibly disappointing.
Here's a thought. Drop the five minutes of slow motion Jon doing absolutely nothing and instead have a showdown featuring some fan favorites in an ultimate showdown with the Night King in the godswood. After a protracted battle, Arya deals the killing blow. Would've made for some epic shit. Instead we have Jon hiding behind a rock (where was his dragon? Did it die? I couldn't see anything, so forgive me if I missed that detail) and Arya apparently watching Theon die before deciding to shank the Night King. End of threat. The threat they've been building since the opening scene of the books and the show is wiped off the board by a kid with a knife jumping out of the bushes. Guy walks off dragon fire only to get sucker punched and explodes instantly. Way to tell a story.
By my count we lost Theon, Beric, Lyanna Mormont, Edd, and Jorah. Again maybe I missed something since the show is dimly lit and the action isn't filmed or edited well. If I have to choose between Cersei and Dany I'll take a page from Brewster's Millions and vote 'None of the above.' It's something, I guess. We all know the books are never going to be finished so at least we got something.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Apr 29, 2019 12:17:48 GMT
Agree that the lighting was shit!
I watched it as through a glass, darkly.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 29, 2019 12:23:02 GMT
I’m in the camp that thinks this will be the end of the Night Kings story. It won’t be easy but he will be defeated and we will those some big character names. The remaining 3 episodes will continue the battle for the iron throne. I’m not even expecting to see Cersei in this next episode, the focus needs to be the battle of Winterfell It was ridiculously easy. The first person to actually take a swing at the Night King killed him. Very few central characters were killed. Cersei and Euron barely have more of a personality than the Night King, and they seem like much less of a threat. I don't know where the tension comes from at this point. I'm sure more fan favorites will die in the upcoming battle, but it's going to seem so hollow. What are they fighting for after saving the world? Bragging rights? They should've dealt with Cersei first and then taken on the Night King. This show has gone completely off the rails since it went beyond the books. I can assume GRRM would do a better job wrapping up the saga but again we'll never know because he's never going to finish the books. I want a scene similar to this with people getting in line to smack Cersei around. Roll credits.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Apr 29, 2019 12:48:12 GMT
I’m in the camp that thinks this will be the end of the Night Kings story. It won’t be easy but he will be defeated and we will those some big character names. The remaining 3 episodes will continue the battle for the iron throne. I’m not even expecting to see Cersei in this next episode, the focus needs to be the battle of Winterfell It was ridiculously easy. The first person to actually take a swing at the Night King killed him. Very few central characters were killed. Cersei and Euron barely have more of a personality than the Night King, and they seem like much less of a threat. I don't know where the tension comes from at this point. I'm sure more fan favorites will die in the upcoming battle, but it's going to seem so hollow. What are they fighting for after saving the world? Bragging rights? They should've dealt with Cersei first and then taken on the Night King. This show has gone completely off the rails since it went beyond the books. I can assume GRRM would do a better job wrapping up the saga but again we'll never know because he's never going to finish the books. I want a scene similar to this with people getting in line to smack Cersei around. Roll credits. I’ve read the books but haven’t watched the series. I know enough of the spoilers though. What you’re describing kinda reminds me of (Breaking Bad spoiler ahead) Hank being killed with 2 or 3 episodes left to go. Don’t get me wrong, I loved BB, but I cared more about Hank than a group of Nazis.
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Post by MrFurious on Apr 29, 2019 13:11:43 GMT
Heard there was finally a good ep last night. Will watch the first 4 eps next Monday
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 29, 2019 15:35:54 GMT
The plot armor worn by so many characters was absurd. They fought off wave after wave after wave of wights... wights who’d torn minor characters to shreds. Named heroes were pinned down multiple times only to get out unscathed while wights apparently did little more than tickle them. Then the Night King raised the dead, portrayed as a huge deal.. only for our heroes to simply fight them all off over again. No one really had individual moments to shine, except Arya of course. Brienne, Jaime, Sam, Tormund, Pod, Gendry et al were stuck fighting random pockets of stunningly gentle wights again and again and again.
The dead in the crypts resulted in about three people being killed - all the rest had to do was go hide in a different corner.
The White Walkers themselves did absolutely nothing except stand by uselessly as Arya ran towards the Night King. Bran did nothing except warg into some ravens. Jon was pinned down by a dragon miles away from the action. The living dragons were more easily incapacitated than Giannis against the Celtics.
At least I have another reason to look forward to the remaining books, if they ever come: hoping that GRRM will portray the ending better than this.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Apr 29, 2019 16:30:16 GMT
I enjoyed it while I was watching it but thinking back on it and reading some of the negative comments I have to admit that this episode that was supposed to be THE MOST EPIC HOUR OF TELEVISION IN THE HISTORY OF TELEVISION was neither written nor directed very well.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 29, 2019 16:33:59 GMT
The plot armor worn by so many characters was absurd. They fought off wave after wave after wave of wights... wights who’d torn minor characters to shreds. Named heroes were pinned down multiple times only to get out unscathed while wights apparently did little more than tickle them. Then the Night King raised the dead, portrayed as a huge deal.. only for our heroes to simply fight them all off over again. No one really had individual moments to shine, except Arya of course. Brienne, Jaime, Sam, Tormund, Pod, Gendry et al were stuck fighting random pockets of stunningly gentle wights again and again and again. The dead in the crypts resulted in about three people being killed - all the rest had to do was go hide in a different corner. The White Walkers themselves did absolutely nothing except stand by uselessly as Arya ran towards the Night King. Bran did nothing except warg into some ravens. Jon was pinned down by a dragon miles away from the action. The living dragons were more easily incapacitated than Giannis against the Celtics. At least I have another reason to look forward to the remaining books, if they ever come: hoping that GRRM will portray the ending better than this. For such an epic battle, there were very few 'hero moments' to go around. Jorah defended Dany, Theon defended Bran, Arya got the big kill, and Lyanna Mormont went out like a boss. Did anyone else do anything at all of note? They were all just faces in the crowd who survived while others perished around them. You could argue the most dramatic moments of the episode belonged to the character we nearly forgot about who's reviled for burning a ten year old girl at the stake a few years ago. They've handled things poorly here and there over the last few seasons in order to rush us to the climax... but this is the final battle with the dead! What's the point of taking shortcuts around the crux of the plot literally since page one of the books?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 29, 2019 16:45:17 GMT
The plot armor worn by so many characters was absurd. They fought off wave after wave after wave of wights... wights who’d torn minor characters to shreds. Named heroes were pinned down multiple times only to get out unscathed while wights apparently did little more than tickle them. Then the Night King raised the dead, portrayed as a huge deal.. only for our heroes to simply fight them all off over again. No one really had individual moments to shine, except Arya of course. Brienne, Jaime, Sam, Tormund, Pod, Gendry et al were stuck fighting random pockets of stunningly gentle wights again and again and again. The dead in the crypts resulted in about three people being killed - all the rest had to do was go hide in a different corner. The White Walkers themselves did absolutely nothing except stand by uselessly as Arya ran towards the Night King. Bran did nothing except warg into some ravens. Jon was pinned down by a dragon miles away from the action. The living dragons were more easily incapacitated than Giannis against the Celtics. At least I have another reason to look forward to the remaining books, if they ever come: hoping that GRRM will portray the ending better than this. It's like the fights in the Rocky movies. They can be enjoyable and exciting until you realize "No one can get hit that hard more than a couple times and still be on their feet! And Rocky and Apollo/Clubber/Ivan have been whuppin on each other for hours." I was trying to keep track of you was dying (while squinting through the darkness) and the realized "How many times has Ser Brienne been near death and here she still it." Same with Pod, Jamie, Samwell, etc. Once that got into my head, I enjoyed the battle a lot less.
Whole point of this is, all the pawns are off the board for the "Good Guys". There's no numbers to fight Cercei. Still at least one dragon. But the Dothraki are gone (boy the flaming swords really helped), most of the Unsullied, most of the Ground Troops.
And Georgie Martin will never finish the books. It's obvious he doesn't want to or can't. A Dance With Dragons was released in 2011. Since then he has released eight books and 45,0753,676,324 excuses for The Winds of Winter. Even if it's released tomorrow, will it be another 8-10 years before the th book? And does the 70 year old Martin have that much time?
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Post by shadyvsesham on Apr 29, 2019 16:50:51 GMT
Well that was shit. Seven seasons of hype and the guy gets shanked by someone hiding in the bushes? In thousands of years, the Children of the Forest never thought of this? All the lives lost in all of these recent battles and all it takes is Arya hiding in the bushes. What a cop out. The writers really screwed this up. What's worse, they seem to think we care what happens to Cruella Deville down in Kings Landing. This is the most anticlimactic way I could've imagined the saga to end. The fate of the world was hanging in the balance when the threat was the white walkers. Now they expect me to tune in to watch some smirking bitch get her comeuppance? If I wanted that I'd watch a reality tv show. Incredibly disappointing. Here's a thought. Drop the five minutes of slow motion Jon doing absolutely nothing and instead have a showdown featuring some fan favorites in an ultimate showdown with the Night King in the godswood. After a protracted battle, Arya deals the killing blow. Would've made for some epic shit. Instead we have Jon hiding behind a rock (where was his dragon? Did it die? I couldn't see anything, so forgive me if I missed that detail) and Arya apparently watching Theon die before deciding to shank the Night King. End of threat. The threat they've been building since the opening scene of the books and the show is wiped off the board by a kid with a knife jumping out of the bushes. Guy walks off dragon fire only to get sucker punched and explodes instantly. Way to tell a story. By my count we lost Theon, Beric, Lyanna Mormont, Edd, and Jorah. Again maybe I missed something since the show is dimly lit and the action isn't filmed or edited well. If I have to choose between Cersei and Dany I'll take a page from Brewster's Millions and vote 'None of the above.' It's something, I guess. We all know the books are never going to be finished so at least we got something. I had the same feeling. I was like.....that's it? That's how this ends with the NK? All that build up for someone to shank him in the dark? I know some people loved it, I was not one. I think all the NK did was fly on dragon, smirk at Jon, kill Theon, stare down Bran, shanked. Does Cersei legit seem even a near threat as an army of the dead? The build up honestly was for Jon V NK, and yea that is probably "expected" and GOT does go the unexpected route, but I expected more than this. I couldnt see half the BS happening. Also NOT ONE legit main character dies? Theon and Jorah were probably the top 2. No Brienne, no Jaime, not ONE Stark? I also believe (again it was the same dark nonsense you got) both dragons were with Dany at the end. I had the same thing you did. All this build up for.....bushes and the end. Honestly it seemed pretty fn easy to defeat the NK. Im disappointed too bro.
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Post by DrKrippen on Apr 29, 2019 16:53:13 GMT
Well that was shit. Seven seasons of hype and the guy gets shanked by someone hiding in the bushes? In thousands of years, the Children of the Forest never thought of this? And what was all that Bran shit that apparently added up to nothing? "I'm leaving now" he says, or something like it, a three eyed raven flies around some, then he does not a thing.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 29, 2019 18:48:00 GMT
The plot armor worn by so many characters was absurd. They fought off wave after wave after wave of wights... wights who’d torn minor characters to shreds. Named heroes were pinned down multiple times only to get out unscathed while wights apparently did little more than tickle them. Then the Night King raised the dead, portrayed as a huge deal.. only for our heroes to simply fight them all off over again. No one really had individual moments to shine, except Arya of course. Brienne, Jaime, Sam, Tormund, Pod, Gendry et al were stuck fighting random pockets of stunningly gentle wights again and again and again. The dead in the crypts resulted in about three people being killed - all the rest had to do was go hide in a different corner. The White Walkers themselves did absolutely nothing except stand by uselessly as Arya ran towards the Night King. Bran did nothing except warg into some ravens. Jon was pinned down by a dragon miles away from the action. The living dragons were more easily incapacitated than Giannis against the Celtics. At least I have another reason to look forward to the remaining books, if they ever come: hoping that GRRM will portray the ending better than this. First, it was a black mess, then, it was a reddish brown mess. Jon proofed once more to be the stupidest cunt alive when it comes to battle strategies and tactics. The blonde bimbo almost managed it to get Drogon killed for nothing, and the show runner wasted the White Walkers for nothing. It it had been the last episode, it would have ranked aside Battlestar Galactica and Lost as the worst ending ever. Nothing compared to Hardhome, Winds of Winter or the Battle of the Bastards...or Spoils of War or Blackwater, in terms of the battles. Even the score fell flat.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 29, 2019 18:51:27 GMT
The plot armor worn by so many characters was absurd. They fought off wave after wave after wave of wights... wights who’d torn minor characters to shreds. Named heroes were pinned down multiple times only to get out unscathed while wights apparently did little more than tickle them. Then the Night King raised the dead, portrayed as a huge deal.. only for our heroes to simply fight them all off over again. No one really had individual moments to shine, except Arya of course. Brienne, Jaime, Sam, Tormund, Pod, Gendry et al were stuck fighting random pockets of stunningly gentle wights again and again and again. The dead in the crypts resulted in about three people being killed - all the rest had to do was go hide in a different corner. The White Walkers themselves did absolutely nothing except stand by uselessly as Arya ran towards the Night King. Bran did nothing except warg into some ravens. Jon was pinned down by a dragon miles away from the action. The living dragons were more easily incapacitated than Giannis against the Celtics. At least I have another reason to look forward to the remaining books, if they ever come: hoping that GRRM will portray the ending better than this. It's like the fights in the Rocky movies. They can be enjoyable and exciting until you realize "No one can get hit that hard more than a couple times and still be on their feet! And Rocky and Apollo/Clubber/Ivan have been whuppin on each other for hours." I was trying to keep track of you was dying (while squinting through the darkness) and the realized "How many times has Ser Brienne been near death and here she still it." Same with Pod, Jamie, Samwell, etc. Once that got into my head, I enjoyed the battle a lot less.
Whole point of this is, all the pawns are off the board for the "Good Guys". There's no numbers to fight Cercei. Still at least one dragon. But the Dothraki are gone (boy the flaming swords really helped), most of the Unsullied, most of the Ground Troops.
And Georgie Martin will never finish the books. It's obvious he doesn't want to or can't. A Dance With Dragons was released in 2011. Since then he has released eight books and 45,0753,676,324 excuses for The Winds of Winter. Even if it's released tomorrow, will it be another 8-10 years before the th book? And does the 70 year old Martin have that much time?
The only the goods news are that Sansa is well, and both dragons have survived according to the trailer for episode 4. Ghost...poor boy. But I guess they had shown his death...but they totally eclipsed him except for running with the Dorthraki into the certain demise.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 29, 2019 18:59:24 GMT
I can only sympathize with the feelings of fans of Jon, Dany and Sansa. The great feeling when you know you found the main hero the first time you saw the show. No love for Dragons, Direwolves and Ser Pounce?!
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Post by Marv on Apr 29, 2019 21:28:58 GMT
The plot armor worn by so many characters was absurd. They fought off wave after wave after wave of wights... wights who’d torn minor characters to shreds. Named heroes were pinned down multiple times only to get out unscathed while wights apparently did little more than tickle them. Then the Night King raised the dead, portrayed as a huge deal.. only for our heroes to simply fight them all off over again. No one really had individual moments to shine, except Arya of course. Brienne, Jaime, Sam, Tormund, Pod, Gendry et al were stuck fighting random pockets of stunningly gentle wights again and again and again. The dead in the crypts resulted in about three people being killed - all the rest had to do was go hide in a different corner. The White Walkers themselves did absolutely nothing except stand by uselessly as Arya ran towards the Night King. Bran did nothing except warg into some ravens. Jon was pinned down by a dragon miles away from the action. The living dragons were more easily incapacitated than Giannis against the Celtics. At least I have another reason to look forward to the remaining books, if they ever come: hoping that GRRM will portray the ending better than this. Even if he doesn't make sure you read the Tales of Dunk and Egg. Theyre fantastic short stories. I wish the GOT spinoff was of their story.
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Post by Marv on Apr 29, 2019 21:31:55 GMT
It's like the fights in the Rocky movies. They can be enjoyable and exciting until you realize "No one can get hit that hard more than a couple times and still be on their feet! And Rocky and Apollo/Clubber/Ivan have been whuppin on each other for hours." I was trying to keep track of you was dying (while squinting through the darkness) and the realized "How many times has Ser Brienne been near death and here she still it." Same with Pod, Jamie, Samwell, etc. Once that got into my head, I enjoyed the battle a lot less. Whole point of this is, all the pawns are off the board for the "Good Guys". There's no numbers to fight Cercei. Still at least one dragon. But the Dothraki are gone (boy the flaming swords really helped), most of the Unsullied, most of the Ground Troops.
And Georgie Martin will never finish the books. It's obvious he doesn't want to or can't. A Dance With Dragons was released in 2011. Since then he has released eight books and 45,0753,676,324 excuses for The Winds of Winter. Even if it's released tomorrow, will it be another 8-10 years before the th book? And does the 70 year old Martin have that much time? The only the goods news are that Sansa is well, and both dragons have survived according to the trailer for episode 4. Ghost...poor boy. But I guess they had shown his death...but they totally eclipsed him except for running with the Dorthraki into the certain demise. Ghost is apparently shown in the episode 4 preview. During the funeral scene, looks like you can see him in the crowd.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 29, 2019 23:01:41 GMT
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Post by Reggie_Stration on Apr 30, 2019 8:37:23 GMT
I checked out the rating of the episode very soon after it aired on IMDB and it was at a 10, which made me pretty hopeful. Then checked back many hours later and saw it was at 9.7, which already made me think it might not be as great as it first seemed, and not as good as Battle of the Bastards anyway. The rating is now at 9.3, and I can see why it's dropped so far down after seeing it.
It was a good episode but could have been so much more. The problems I have with it are pretty much the ones people have mentioned so far. Too dark to see what's going on, not enough individual "wow" moments, the NK wasted and defeated too early and too easily. I wanted his foe to last longer than that into this season, not die off with 3 long episodes to go to leave us with a battle for the Iron Throne that has never really appealed to me all that much. Felt anti-climatic and a wasted opportunity.
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Post by The Lost One on Apr 30, 2019 9:21:43 GMT
I thought it was pretty well done bar a few criticisms: - at times it was too dark - their battle tactics were crap: wasting their cavalry at the start, sending the dragons off when they could have been used to attack the front lines and burn the dead, not using archery more considering the dead were all infantry, setting a trap for the night king with only one guy there to kill him when he arrived. They were lucky to win - the night king suddenly became an idiot so Arya could kill him in a silly anticlimactic way - the zombies seemed really inconsistent in how dangerous they were: Jon, Grey Worm, Jaime, Breanne and Sam really all should have died. Jorah and Theon should have died much sooner. But from an emotional level it worked
Apart from that I liked it, not as good as the Battle of the Bastards which was better worked out and easier to follow but this was still a nice mix of excitement and emotion.
Sad to see Jorah, Theon and Lyanna go. Couldn't care less about eye patch guy, Jon's mate and the red woman.
Did Gendry die? I thought he did but wasn't sure
What the heck are the remaining episodes going to be about? Fighting Cersei?!
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