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Post by Nora on Mar 7, 2019 22:29:39 GMT
with Brie Larson being so vocal and brazen about men in general and especially 40 plus yo white males, and in the erra of the ever pushed female power and in th metooed and most PC age so far, can we even expect most critics to be brave enough to rate it as freely as they would have, had it been a male driven movie or 5 years ago?
I really think more and more that the agenda now overpowers the movie. But maybe I am wrong. to be fair I have not seen it yet so maybe it Is really That great, who knows. I just wonder...
what are your thoughts on this?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 22:38:21 GMT
not unless she looks a bit less constipated.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 7, 2019 23:17:20 GMT
with Brie Larson being so vocal and brazen about men in general and especially 40 plus yo white males, and in the erra of the ever pushed female power and in th metooed and most PC age so far, can we even expect most critics to be brave enough to rate it as freely as they would have, had it been a male driven movie or 5 years ago? I really think more and more that the agenda now overpowers the movie. But maybe I am wrong. to be fair I have not seen it yet so maybe it Is really That great, who knows. I just wonder... what are your thoughts on this? No, because critics know that if they give Captain Marvel a bad rating, they'll be called sexist and women-haters, just like they knew that if they gave Black Panther a bad rating, they would've been called racist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 23:24:30 GMT
basically no everything is so PC the K U N T are gaurantred good reviews.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 7, 2019 23:33:52 GMT
I don`t think so, because its pretty clear that there are two agendas going around. one is to vote the movie down and the other is to vote the movie up.
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Post by darkpast on Mar 7, 2019 23:46:15 GMT
Not a chance. Ghostbusters 2016 changed everything. Critics won't leave social politics out of their reviews. We are in a era if a man directs a female fronted film there is outrage. It doesn't help that most critics are liberals, it's all one sided.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 8, 2019 2:53:08 GMT
It's got the same average rating as Ant-Man and the Wasp which is a fun but inconsequential MCU installment yet that holds a higher RT score than CM. So yeah I think so. Don't buy into the overreactions by both parties.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Mar 8, 2019 3:37:00 GMT
with Brie Larson being so vocal and brazen about men in general and especially 40 plus yo white males, and in the erra of the ever pushed female power and in th metooed and most PC age so far, can we even expect most critics to be brave enough to rate it as freely as they would have, had it been a male driven movie or 5 years ago? I really think more and more that the agenda now overpowers the movie. But maybe I am wrong. to be fair I have not seen it yet so maybe it Is really That great, who knows. I just wonder... what are your thoughts on this? No, because critics know that if they give Captain Marvel a bad rating, they'll be called sexist and women-haters, just like they knew that if they gave Black Panther a bad rating, they would've been called racist. So you're saying Wonder Woman didn't get a fair rating?
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Post by Caesium137 on Mar 8, 2019 8:35:05 GMT
It should even out. I think there are more or less equal ''trolls'' and ''superfans'' of these kind of movies, so the people voting it 0/10 would be counterbalanced by the people voting it a 10. If you want a true reflection on the audience score, then you need to examine the middle section and see how that is split.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 8, 2019 9:29:23 GMT
So you're saying Wonder Woman didn't get a fair rating? Wonder Woman got a fair rating because Wonder Woman didn't use a female empowerment agenda to promote the movie like Captain Marvel is doing or use racism to promote the movie like Black Panther did. Like Alien, Wonder Woman was just a good movie that had a strong female lead, but no female empowerment agenda.
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Post by miike80 on Mar 8, 2019 9:51:32 GMT
with Brie Larson being so vocal and brazen about men in general and especially 40 plus yo white males, and in the erra of the ever pushed female power and in th metooed and most PC age so far, can we even expect most critics to be brave enough to rate it as freely as they would have, had it been a male driven movie or 5 years ago? I really think more and more that the agenda now overpowers the movie. But maybe I am wrong. to be fair I have not seen it yet so maybe it Is really That great, who knows. I just wonder... what are your thoughts on this? No, because critics know that if they give Captain Marvel a bad rating, they'll be called sexist and women-haters, just like they knew that if they gave Black Panther a bad rating, they would've been called racist. That somehow does not apply to WonderWoman, right?
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 8, 2019 9:57:29 GMT
No, because critics know that if they give Captain Marvel a bad rating, they'll be called sexist and women-haters, just like they knew that if they gave Black Panther a bad rating, they would've been called racist. That somehow does not apply to WonderWoman, right? It doesn't apply to Wonder Woman because Wonder Woman didn't use a female empowerment agenda to promote the movie like Captain Marvel is doing or use eacism to promote the movie like Black Panthet did. Like Alien, Wonder Wonder is just a good movie that had a strong female lead, but no female empowerment agenda.
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Post by Nora on Mar 8, 2019 11:40:09 GMT
I don`t think so, because its pretty clear that there are two agendas going around. one is to vote the movie down and the other is to vote the movie up. thats a good point. conflicting agendas will for sure give the resulting score an addional bias and reason to doubt it.
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Post by Nora on Mar 8, 2019 11:41:32 GMT
Not a chance. Ghostbusters 2016 changed everything. Critics won't leave social politics out of their reviews. We are in a era if a man directs a female fronted film there is outrage. It doesn't help that most critics are liberals, it's all one sided. yeah that bugs me a Lot that now a male director directing a female lead is seen as “problematic”... aargh.
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Post by Nora on Mar 8, 2019 11:46:38 GMT
So you're saying Wonder Woman didn't get a fair rating? Wonder Woman got a fair rating because Wonder Woman didn't use a female empowerment agenda to promote the movie like Captain Marvel is doing or use racism to promote the movie like Black Panther did. Like Alien, Wonder Woman was just a good movie that had a strong female lead, but no female empowerment agenda. thats how i feel also about WW, if felt almost as if the gender didnt matter (which is the way it should be). it was more interesting that the director was female but even she wasnt pushed as much i dont think. i did genuinly liked BP a lot, to me it had two very unusually good things - music that really spoke to me (I love Goransson) and Killmonger who was one of the least one dimensional “bad” guys from recent years (to me he was even better than thanos whom I really like. But no Bane sure...
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 8, 2019 13:22:03 GMT
It doesn't apply to Wonder Woman because Wonder Woman didn't use a female empowerment agenda to promote the movie like Captain Marvel is doing or use eacism to promote the movie like Black Panthet did. Like Alien, Wonder Wonder is just a good movie that had a strong female lead, but no female empowerment agenda. It still promoted itself on the fact that it was directed by a woman and that it had a heroic female character. When the box office soared, it became about being one of the biggest hits directed by a woman. It was the same bulls<>t pc agenda. WOMAN, WOMAN, WOMAN, RA RA RA! How insecure are many women really, that they somehow need this extra boost of approval to make them feel appreciated, when we already live in a gynocentric saturated society? It was media sites that reported the box office numbers as being record-breaking for a female director. But as far as promoting the movie, Gal Godot didn't speak out against men the way that Brie Larson has been speaking out against men and WB didn't highlight the "HER" in "HERO" on all the trailers and posters. Like I said before, Wonder Woman was like Alien - just a good movie that had a strong female lead and didn't try to push a female empowerment agenda like Captain Marvel does.
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Post by miike80 on Mar 8, 2019 14:41:16 GMT
It still promoted itself on the fact that it was directed by a woman and that it had a heroic female character. When the box office soared, it became about being one of the biggest hits directed by a woman. It was the same bulls<>t pc agenda. WOMAN, WOMAN, WOMAN, RA RA RA! How insecure are many women really, that they somehow need this extra boost of approval to make them feel appreciated, when we already live in a gynocentric saturated society? It was media sites that reported the box office numbers as being record-breaking for a female director. But as far as promoting the movie, Gal Godot didn't speak out against men the way that Brie Larson has been speaking out against men and WB didn't highlight the "HER" in "HERO" on all the trailers and posters. Like I said before, Wonder Woman was like Alien - just a good movie that had a strong female lead and didn't try to push a female empowerment agenda like Captain Marvel does. She's not against men. It was rather a poor choice of words. You all know that, you just act like you don't
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Post by miike80 on Mar 8, 2019 14:42:12 GMT
It still promoted itself on the fact that it was directed by a woman and that it had a heroic female character. When the box office soared, it became about being one of the biggest hits directed by a woman. It was the same bulls<>t pc agenda. WOMAN, WOMAN, WOMAN, RA RA RA! How insecure are many women really, that they somehow need this extra boost of approval to make them feel appreciated, when we already live in a gynocentric saturated society? It was media sites that reported the box office numbers as being record-breaking for a female director. But as far as promoting the movie, Gal Godot didn't speak out against men the way that Brie Larson has been speaking out against men and WB didn't highlight the "HER" in "HERO" on all the trailers and posters. Like I said before, Wonder Woman was like Alien - just a good movie that had a strong female lead and didn't try to push a female empowerment agenda like Captain Marvel does. Have you warmed up to James Gunn's pedo jokes? Now that he's part of the DCEU?
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Mar 8, 2019 15:46:56 GMT
It still promoted itself on the fact that it was directed by a woman and that it had a heroic female character. When the box office soared, it became about being one of the biggest hits directed by a woman. It was the same bulls<>t pc agenda. WOMAN, WOMAN, WOMAN, RA RA RA! How insecure are many women really, that they somehow need this extra boost of approval to make them feel appreciated, when we already live in a gynocentric saturated society? It was media sites that reported the box office numbers as being record-breaking for a female director. But as far as promoting the movie, Gal Godot didn't speak out against men the way that Brie Larson has been speaking out against men and WB didn't highlight the "HER" in "HERO" on all the trailers and posters. Like I said before, Wonder Woman was like Alien - just a good movie that had a strong female lead and didn't try to push a female empowerment agenda like Captain Marvel does. Except it did through all the media hype with headlining the fact it was directed by a woman and first successful female superhero film. And Wonder Woman is no Ripley or Sarah Connor. WW breezes through her film with little stakes or difficulty that critics really missed or blatantly ignored because they were blinded by the headlines of WW being the first successful female superhero film.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 8, 2019 19:39:15 GMT
It was media sites that reported the box office numbers as being record-breaking for a female director. But as far as promoting the movie, Gal Godot didn't speak out against men the way that Brie Larson has been speaking out against men and WB didn't highlight the "HER" in "HERO" on all the trailers and posters. Like I said before, Wonder Woman was like Alien - just a good movie that had a strong female lead and didn't try to push a female empowerment agenda like Captain Marvel does. Except it did through all the media hype with headlining the fact it was directed by a woman and first successful female superhero film. And Wonder Woman is no Ripley or Sarah Connor. WW breezes through her film with little stakes or difficulty that critics really missed or blatantly ignored because they were blinded by the headlines of WW being the first successful female superhero film. That was the media, not Gal Gadot nor WB, hyping it up. Gal Gadot and WB have no control over how the nedia decides to report it. By contrast, Brie Larson is spesking out against men and Marvel Studios is trying to hype up Captain Marvel as a female empowerment movie by highlighting the "HER" in "HERO" on all the trailers and posters. And Wonder Woman had plenty of stakes. Civilians were gassed to death and there were wounded soldiers with amputated limbs. Ares was trying to continue the war, which would've rezulted in more civilians gassed to death and more wounded soldiers. Wonder Woman was fighting to stop that. That's pretty big stakes.
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