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Post by goz on Oct 14, 2019 19:59:44 GMT
There is not one number one goal for humans. Even psychologists like Maslow or Reiss disagree on what's important for humans. Therefore, it can only be subjective, and on a case by case basis. Who doesn't want to be happy? Clearly from his replies above, Erjenious!
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Post by movieliker on Oct 14, 2019 20:22:32 GMT
Who doesn't want to be happy? Masochists? Most people are not masochists.
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Post by general313 on Oct 15, 2019 0:43:13 GMT
Most people are not masochists. I believe masochists derive pleasure from harming themselves, thus in that sense they're like everyone else in the pursuit of happiness.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 15, 2019 1:20:24 GMT
Most people are not masochists. I believe masochists derive pleasure from harming themselves, thus in that sense they're like everyone else in the pursuit of happiness. Okay, that works.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 15, 2019 6:46:26 GMT
The number one goal is ... Art
Of course that gets interpreted in a variety of ways. For the lucky the goal may be to ponder what is the goal.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 15, 2019 11:02:14 GMT
The number one goal is ... Art
Of course that gets interpreted in a variety of ways. For the lucky the goal may be to ponder what is the goal. And if it is not found, does that then make them unlucky? Anyone can ponder the meaning of life of course. Some people don't get much time to do that though.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 15, 2019 11:19:39 GMT
Anyone can ponder the meaning of life of course. Some people don't get much time to do that though. What if the pondering is futile though Arlon? What if the search meaning is that there is no meaning? One would have to ask meaning for whom and that is all subjective. Sometimes it is more about the journey than the destination, just saying. Neil deGrasse Tyson has a new book where he talks about people making their own meaning instead of trying to find it. It's the smartest thing he's ever done, the best we might expect from a scientist.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 15, 2019 11:38:52 GMT
Sometimes it is more about the journey than the destination, just saying. Neil deGrasse Tyson has a new book where he talks about people making their own meaning instead of trying to find it. It's the smartest thing he's ever done, the best we might expect from a scientist. I can go with that, because each person's journey will take different paths, par for the course to leading up to the ultimate meaning\revelation, that there is no meaning. The meaning in the making, is about finding the purpose of being and not someone else's projected notion of what it is all about, as in religion. Religion and self fulfillment are not antithetical. I wonder why you would think otherwise?
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 15, 2019 11:56:07 GMT
Religion and self fulfillment are not antithetical. I wonder why you would think otherwise? Religions are telling others how to be self-fullfilled. I wonder why you wouldn't believe otherwise. There are quite many and varied endeavors claiming to be a religion. Few of them offer career advice. Several "religions" do offer marriage advice, but rarely on specific partners. Religions typically do consider marriage as the best arrangement to care for biological children, which it is.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 15, 2019 12:14:35 GMT
There are quite many and varied endeavors claiming to be a religion. Few of them offer career advice. Several "religions" do offer marriage advice, but rarely on specific partners. Religions typically to consider marriage as the best arrangement to care for biological children, which it is. However, where meaning or search for meaning is concerned, this reaches beyond life's mundane circumstances of choice. Religion purports to offer others meaning, without really knowing itself. Almost everyone does that, including you.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 15, 2019 12:24:06 GMT
Almost everyone does that, including you. Yes, but religion also makes bold and irrational claims about God and what truth is, and lays down rules and boundaries for people to follow, as though that is the "only" way to happiness or salvation, or whatever it is, it gets called. And who knows about bold and irrational claims if not you?
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Post by movieliker on Oct 15, 2019 13:08:17 GMT
Anyone can ponder the meaning of life of course. Some people don't get much time to do that though. What if the pondering is futile though Arlon? What if the search meaning is that there is no meaning? One would have to ask meaning for whom and that is all subjective. I for one, think "life's goal", and "life's meaning" are two different things.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 15, 2019 13:13:28 GMT
Religion and self fulfillment are not antithetical. I wonder why you would think otherwise? Religions are telling others how to be self-fullfilled. I wonder why you wouldn't believe otherwise. For multiple reasons, people like to bastardize the purpose of religion. Religion's only real purpose is to pass down time tested ways of being moral, ethical and spiritual. Any religious person that does anything different is usually guilty of misinterpretation.
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Post by phludowin on Oct 15, 2019 15:20:05 GMT
Religion's only real purpose is to pass down time tested ways of being moral, ethical and spiritual. That is your subjective opinion. Assuming it was true: Any religious person that does anything different is usually guilty of misinterpretation. That can only be true from the point of view of one specific religion. From the person who is doing something different it's a perfectly valif stance to believe that everyone else is guilty of misrepresentation. I have a problem with religions who claim to be the only true religion. But since these religions are usually false (especially the Abrahamic ones), their notions of morality, ethics and spirituality don't have to be followed.
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