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Post by poelzig on Mar 17, 2019 2:53:10 GMT
Politicidal is on to something. Carol is Blonde Rey is brunette and British. Think about it I thought Rey was Jakkuian
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Post by darkpast on Mar 17, 2019 5:34:57 GMT
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 18, 2019 13:04:33 GMT
Oh, the springhole.net... I should have consulted that old reliable site first.
So.. Basically he has won the argument, you no longer have a leg to stand on and are resorting to posting GIFs.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 18, 2019 13:05:28 GMT
Is there supposed to be some meaning to this?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 16:42:36 GMT
So.. Basically he has won the argument, you no longer have a leg to stand on and are resorting to posting GIFs. Skathaar has a clear understanding of the term while you do not. Why don't you listen to him and learn something instead of raging against him with ignorance? At least admit the guy was right and you were wrong. Show some character, if you have any, that is...
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 19, 2019 13:16:03 GMT
Skathaar has a clear understanding of the term while you do not. Why don't you listen to him and learn something instead of raging against him with ignorance? At least admit the guy was right and you were wrong. Show some character, if you have any, that is... The irony is strong with this one.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 19, 2019 13:19:55 GMT
Carols full power was restrained by a microchip but we had seen her have training done by Jude Law so she knew her capabilities. Rey on the other hand, a noob with zero training, was just developing powers outta nowhere as the script demanded. ''Oh I didnt know I could fly the Falcon/use the force/duel with a lightsaber,etc!''. Carol always knew her powersets so the revelation she could fly, fire strong photon blasts etc isnt as WTF as Reys and feels more earned. How did she know that she could fly if she never done it before?
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Post by charzhino on Mar 19, 2019 13:36:22 GMT
Carols full power was restrained by a microchip but we had seen her have training done by Jude Law so she knew her capabilities. Rey on the other hand, a noob with zero training, was just developing powers outta nowhere as the script demanded. ''Oh I didnt know I could fly the Falcon/use the force/duel with a lightsaber,etc!''. Carol always knew her powersets so the revelation she could fly, fire strong photon blasts etc isnt as WTF as Reys and feels more earned. How did she know that she could fly if she never done it before? Maybe she could before they brainwashed her using the supreme intelligence and put on microchip? Not very well established so you can say that part was a bit of a dues ex machina.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 19, 2019 14:08:36 GMT
Carols full power was restrained by a microchip but we had seen her have training done by Jude Law so she knew her capabilities. Rey on the other hand, a noob with zero training, was just developing powers outta nowhere as the script demanded. ''Oh I didnt know I could fly the Falcon/use the force/duel with a lightsaber,etc!''. Carol always knew her powersets so the revelation she could fly, fire strong photon blasts etc isnt as WTF as Reys and feels more earned. How did she know that she could fly if she never done it before? I thought she had a surprised look on her face when she stopped falling.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 19, 2019 14:16:18 GMT
Carols full power was restrained by a microchip but we had seen her have training done by Jude Law so she knew her capabilities. Rey on the other hand, a noob with zero training, was just developing powers outta nowhere as the script demanded. ''Oh I didnt know I could fly the Falcon/use the force/duel with a lightsaber,etc!''. Carol always knew her powersets so the revelation she could fly, fire strong photon blasts etc isnt as WTF as Reys and feels more earned. How did she know that she could fly if she never done it before? I don't believe she did. It was a period of desperation and she looked surprised when she flew.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 19, 2019 14:47:30 GMT
I don't believe she did. It was a period of desperation and she looked surprised when she flew. If that is the case then unfortunately its bad writing. Both superman and iron man had teething problems with their first flights and this was without being in a fight. Carol suddenly knows not only how to fly, but fly in combat effective style in an immediate conflict. This would equate to Rey being able to take on Kylo Ren in her first lightsaber duel, a classic example of mary sueness.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 19, 2019 15:25:35 GMT
I don't believe she did. It was a period of desperation and she looked surprised when she flew. If that is the case then unfortunately its bad writing. Both superman and iron man had teething problems with their first flights and this was without being in a fight. Carol suddenly knows not only how to fly, but fly in combat effective style in an immediate conflict. This would equate to Rey being able to take on Kylo Ren in her first lightsaber duel, a classic example of mary sueness. No, it wouldn't. Rey fought against a trained and skilled swordsman and did well without any prior training. Carol flew against... what, gravity? She didn't need to compete against a skilled flier. That's like saying learning to ride the bike on your first try is as impossible as defeating the boxing champ in your first ever boxing match. One of them is magnitudes harder than the other.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 19, 2019 15:31:27 GMT
If that is the case then unfortunately its bad writing. Both superman and iron man had teething problems with their first flights and this was without being in a fight. Carol suddenly knows not only how to fly, but fly in combat effective style in an immediate conflict. This would equate to Rey being able to take on Kylo Ren in her first lightsaber duel, a classic example of mary sueness. No, it wouldn't. Rey fought against a trained and skilled swordsman and did well without any prior training. Carol flew against... what, gravity? She didn't need to compete against a skilled flier. That's like saying learning to ride the bike on your first try is as impossible as defeating the boxing champ in your first ever boxing match. One of them is magnitudes harder than the other. But isn't Carol just some surly, man-hating bitch from Nowhere, USA? Rey had the Force.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 19, 2019 15:33:24 GMT
No, it wouldn't. Rey fought against a trained and skilled swordsman and did well without any prior training. Carol flew against... what, gravity? She didn't need to compete against a skilled flier. That's like saying learning to ride the bike on your first try is as impossible as defeating the boxing champ in your first ever boxing match. One of them is magnitudes harder than the other. She flew without any problems on her supposed first flight. Why did Superman and Ironman have trouble? They were up against the same force of gravity. And learning to ride to ride a bike on first go isnt impossible. Learning to ride a bike...and completing a BMX stunt course as well on first attempt, is. Which is effectively the same thing as in the movie, she is up against an alien fleet, in space and she suddenly waltz around like shes been a pro for years.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 19, 2019 15:35:08 GMT
No, it wouldn't. Rey fought against a trained and skilled swordsman and did well without any prior training. Carol flew against... what, gravity? She didn't need to compete against a skilled flier. That's like saying learning to ride the bike on your first try is as impossible as defeating the boxing champ in your first ever boxing match. One of them is magnitudes harder than the other. She flew without any problems on her supposed first flight. Why did Superman and Ironman have trouble? They were up against the same force of gravity. And learning to ride to ride a bike on first go isnt impossible. Learning to ride a bike...and completing a BMX stunt course as well on first attempt, is. Which is effectively the same thing as in the movie, she is up against an alien fleet, in space and she suddenly waltz around like shes been a pro for years. So basically Daisy Ridley got to you. WHAT DOES SHE HAVE ON YOU, MANG?!?!!1
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 19, 2019 16:11:21 GMT
No, it wouldn't. Rey fought against a trained and skilled swordsman and did well without any prior training. Carol flew against... what, gravity? She didn't need to compete against a skilled flier. That's like saying learning to ride the bike on your first try is as impossible as defeating the boxing champ in your first ever boxing match. One of them is magnitudes harder than the other. She flew without any problems on her supposed first flight. Why did Superman and Ironman have trouble? They were up against the same force of gravity. And learning to ride to ride a bike on first go isnt impossible. Learning to ride a bike...and completing a BMX stunt course as well on first attempt, is. Which is effectively the same thing as in the movie, she is up against an alien fleet, in space and she suddenly waltz around like shes been a pro for years. I am not saying that CM mastering her flight in one go isn't lazy writing. I'm saying comparing it to Rey matching Kylo in lightsaber combat is silly. One is obviously way harder than the other. When all you have to compete with is yourself, it's easy to look good. When needing to compete another, that's different. Besides, I don't recall CM doing any crazy maneuvers during her flight. She rotated a few times here and there but it's not like she was in a dog fight against multiple fast fliers doing crazy barrel rolls and sharp turns and stuff. . Her flying in the movie seemed pretty basic to me. So your "BMX doing crazy stunts" comparison is inaccurate. If I remember correctly, she pretty much just flew straight forward, blasting things out of her way. She evaded a few shots but still got hit here and there. Complaining about her flying prowess would be like complaining how Vision immediately knew how to phase or how to fly, or how Captain America knew how to throw his shield.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 19, 2019 16:17:56 GMT
Since we have no idea exactly how the powers she gets from that space stone manifest themselves, it's a pointless discussion. It's a fantasy element.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 19, 2019 16:35:54 GMT
She flew without any problems on her supposed first flight. Why did Superman and Ironman have trouble? They were up against the same force of gravity. And learning to ride to ride a bike on first go isnt impossible. Learning to ride a bike...and completing a BMX stunt course as well on first attempt, is. Which is effectively the same thing as in the movie, she is up against an alien fleet, in space and she suddenly waltz around like shes been a pro for years. I am not saying that CM mastering her flight in one go isn't lazy writing. I'm saying comparing it to Rey matching Kylo in lightsaber combat is silly. One is obviously way harder than the other. When all you have to compete with is yourself, it's easy to look good. When needing to compete another, that's different. Besides, I don't recall CM doing any crazy maneuvers during her flight. She rotated a few times here and there but it's not like she was in a dog fight against multiple fast fliers doing crazy barrel rolls and sharp turns and stuff. . Her flying in the movie seemed pretty basic to me. So your "BMX doing crazy stunts" comparison is inaccurate. If I remember correctly, she pretty much just flew straight forward, blasting things out of her way. She evaded a few shots but still got hit here and there. Complaining about her flying prowess would be like complaining how Vision immediately knew how to phase or how Captain America knew how to throw his shield. The comparison is valid. Both premises are the hero suddenly mastering a previously unlearned skillset to take on a formidable enemy, and said skillset playing a big factor in defeating them. I see no difference in the Rey/Carol scenario. Carol isnt by herself, shes using her flight to expertly kill enemys in midair, that shouldnt be easy. Carol fights the Kree with no mistep, no misflight no struggle. Just like Rey.
I think you believe that flying in combat is easy. Now obviously flying isnt real, but in the context of superhero movies as weve seen before in iron man with his icing problems and superman with failing to maintain first flight, it isnt easy, your going to run into problems. But its easy to pick up straight away for Carol because shes a strong independent woman who needs no training? Now that I think about it more, the whole thing is even more ridicolous. The montage that preceedes that flight moment is her falling to the ground and getting back up from various sporting activies, showcasing a strong will of determination to never give up if at first she fails. So whats the real message to little girls here if she attempts to fly and does it perfectly from the get go? Weve just seen several flashbacks of her falling and failing, but here she just powers up and flys like no problem at all? It just contradicts the whole message of the montage thats supposed to inspire little girls. Thats a different topic anyway, but that small part of her powers is mary sue-ish like Rey, even though overall Carol isnt a Mary Sue.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 19, 2019 16:37:03 GMT
Since we have no idea exactly how the powers she gets from that space stone manifest themselves, it's a pointless discussion. It's a fantasy element. Dues ex machina abilities have to be internally consistent with the rules set by the story. Otherwise no one should complain if Captain Marvel started to teleport like Nightcrawler.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 19, 2019 16:42:44 GMT
Complaining about her flying prowess would be like complaining how Vision immediately knew how to phase or how to fly, or how Captain America knew how to throw his shield. Vision is shown before his build to be a powerful AI that learns at exceptional rates, a fusion of Jarvis, the mindstone and Ultron program. Basically a ultra-superior A.I, so him learning physics and abilties of his host world isnt that far of a stretch. Carol or any other human/living thing is not as intelligent to learn things so fast. There is a montage of Cap fighting with his coloured shield after he gets the shield from Peggy in its silver plain form. Can guess between then he learns how to use it. There is no moment where Cap gets the shield for the first time and is immediatley fighting someone and bouncing his shield off people.
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