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Post by Skaathar on Mar 16, 2019 21:03:45 GMT
Got this idea from their stare-down in the trailer. Let's say Cap and IM are killed in Endgame. Let's say the other Avengers are either not interested or not fit to lead the team. Let's say it boils down to Thor and Captain Marvel... who'd you prefer to lead the Avengers?
Try not to judge based on who you like better but base it on their qualities and personalities. Who'd make the better leader?
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 16, 2019 21:35:05 GMT
I don`t really care who leads the Avengers.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 16, 2019 22:25:08 GMT
Thor because hes a man
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Post by hobowar on Mar 16, 2019 22:28:09 GMT
A handsome, muscular man.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 16, 2019 23:10:31 GMT
Captain Marvel.
Thor's my favorite character, but while he has a certain amount of battle cunning and wisdom that comes with being ~1500 years old he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, he's fooled too easily. He also likes to run off and do his own thing, like at the end of every movie and the middle of AoU and the whole throne thing. Thor is a warrior, not a soldier, listen to him on the battlefield but leave the paperwork and overall leadership headaches to someone else. He also has a bit of a temper, which has gotten himself and his comrades into trouble before.
CM was a human military officer who may well have been fighting interstellar wars with a diverse cast of for 25 years, she's shown the wisdom to be able to re-evaluate and redirect when presented with new information like whether the Skrulls are really the scourge Kree propaganda insists they are. She was able to determine that Fury wasn't really her enemy despite him calling in SHIELD, she saved him but confiscated his 'state-of-the-art' pager, an appropriate discipline.
Frankly I think Cap Am is the best choice for leader amongst them all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 23:24:56 GMT
Thor because:
-man
-white
-God
-dumped Jane
-kickass lightning powers
-has a weapon called Stormbreaker
-cool with Rocket
-not Captain Marvel
-charisma
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 17, 2019 1:36:13 GMT
Black Panther
A cosmic leader would be less fun.
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Post by merh on Mar 17, 2019 2:44:38 GMT
Got this idea from their stare-down in the trailer. Let's say Cap and IM are killed in Endgame. Let's say the other Avengers are either not interested or not fit to lead the team. Let's say it boils down to Thor and Captain Marvel... who'd you prefer to lead the Avengers? Try not to judge based on who you like better but base it on their qualities and personalities. Who'd make the better leader? I don't think Thor would lead the Avengers. His first issue is his people. www.buzzfeed.com/perpetua/avengers-ranked-from-worst-to-bestThere are 84 listed.
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Post by James on Mar 17, 2019 18:18:49 GMT
Thor has been with the team longer than CM has, so I’m betting on him.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 17, 2019 23:09:12 GMT
I still think Steve Rogers will live. I won't be shocked if he's offed, nor remotely surprised. I just have a gut feel.
Stark is the one being set up more as the true martyr in all this saga.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 17, 2019 23:16:43 GMT
Thor of course.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 17, 2019 23:24:47 GMT
Thor.
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Post by poutinep on Mar 17, 2019 23:54:18 GMT
Shouldn't 'Earth's Mightiest Heroes' be led by someone....from Earth?
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 18, 2019 1:07:17 GMT
Thor is not a walking contrivance like Carol.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 18, 2019 2:07:50 GMT
Thor is not a walking contrivance like Carol. He ain't? Did you not see Ragnarok? Also:
"the use of skill to bring something about or create something" Guessing you weren't going for this definition.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 18, 2019 2:40:36 GMT
Thor is not a walking contrivance like Carol. He ain't? Did you not see Ragnarok? Also:
"the use of skill to bring something about or create something" Guessing you weren't going for this definition.
Nope. Was going for this one. www.dictionary.com/browse/contrivance
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 18, 2019 14:54:20 GMT
He ain't? Did you not see Ragnarok? Also:
"the use of skill to bring something about or create something" Guessing you weren't going for this definition.
Nope. Was going for this one. www.dictionary.com/browse/contrivance That explained nothing.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 18, 2019 21:33:21 GMT
Captain Marvel. Thor's my favorite character, but while he has a certain amount of battle cunning and wisdom that comes with being ~1500 years old he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, he's fooled too easily. He also likes to run off and do his own thing, like at the end of every movie and the middle of AoU and the whole throne thing. Thor is a warrior, not a soldier, listen to him on the battlefield but leave the paperwork and overall leadership headaches to someone else. He also has a bit of a temper, which has gotten himself and his comrades into trouble before. CM was a human military officer who may well have been fighting interstellar wars with a diverse cast of for 25 years, she's shown the wisdom to be able to re-evaluate and redirect when presented with new information like whether the Skrulls are really the scourge Kree propaganda insists they are. She was able to determine that Fury wasn't really her enemy despite him calling in SHIELD, she saved him but confiscated his 'state-of-the-art' pager, an appropriate discipline. Frankly I think Cap Am is the best choice for leader amongst them all. Fair enough. But let me make a counter-argument here: Thor has grown a lot since the first movie we've seen him in. He isn't as easily fooled nowadays as he was back then (as Loki found out in Ragnarok). He's also went through a lot of trials and tribulations, certainly harder than anything we've seen Carol go through, and come out of it stronger than before. You'll need/want that kind of grit in a leader. He's also shown that he can make hard decisions when necessary. Whether that means sparing your enemies (Frost Giant home world), killing your enemies without mercy (Kroenen in TDW), making allies of your enemies (Loki) or even destroying your home world for the greater good of all (Ragnarok). I don't think we've seen Captain Marvel tackle any decisions that tough yet. Thor has also proven he can lead a troupe in battle (Warriors 3, Revengers) whereas we have yet to see that from Carol and has also shown he can work properly with a team if necessary (Avengers). Then of course, he's a lot more experienced and knowledgeable and isn't suffering from memory loss. He also seems more likeable.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 19, 2019 3:35:46 GMT
Captain Marvel. Thor's my favorite character, but while he has a certain amount of battle cunning and wisdom that comes with being ~1500 years old he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, he's fooled too easily. He also likes to run off and do his own thing, like at the end of every movie and the middle of AoU and the whole throne thing. Thor is a warrior, not a soldier, listen to him on the battlefield but leave the paperwork and overall leadership headaches to someone else. He also has a bit of a temper, which has gotten himself and his comrades into trouble before. CM was a human military officer who may well have been fighting interstellar wars with a diverse cast of for 25 years, she's shown the wisdom to be able to re-evaluate and redirect when presented with new information like whether the Skrulls are really the scourge Kree propaganda insists they are. She was able to determine that Fury wasn't really her enemy despite him calling in SHIELD, she saved him but confiscated his 'state-of-the-art' pager, an appropriate discipline. Frankly I think Cap Am is the best choice for leader amongst them all. Fair enough. But let me make a counter-argument here: Thor has grown a lot since the first movie we've seen him in. He isn't as easily fooled nowadays as he was back then (as Loki found out in Ragnarok). He's also went through a lot of trials and tribulations, certainly harder than anything we've seen Carol go through, and come out of it stronger than before. You'll need/want that kind of grit in a leader. He's also shown that he can make hard decisions when necessary. Whether that means sparing your enemies (Frost Giant home world), killing your enemies without mercy (Kroenen in TDW), making allies of your enemies (Loki) or even destroying your home world for the greater good of all (Ragnarok). I don't think we've seen Captain Marvel tackle any decisions that tough yet. Thor has also proven he can lead a troupe in battle (Warriors 3, Revengers) whereas we have yet to see that from Carol and has also shown he can work properly with a team if necessary (Avengers). Then of course, he's a lot more experienced and knowledgeable and isn't suffering from memory loss. He also seems more likeable. I allowed that he's a fine battle commander, indeed Cap used him in that capacity in Age of Ultron, but let's talk about the 'Revengers' for a minute. He did put together a team to fight Hela but forgot the spaceship. Had Loki not shown up then all of his people would have perished when he employed his scorched-Asgard strategy, and he'd have had no reinforcements--and he just left the rest there as opposed to recruiting them. When he lost to Thanos and needed new ordnance he didn't think of trying to enlist the Guardians in the struggle, he was prepared to filch their pod and leave them. Had not the Raccoon decided to come with and bring Groot he would have failed to acquire a new hammer. He doesn't think very far ahead and rushes into things as he's headstrong. He spent 1500 years on Asgard and never managed to figure out that Odin had covered up the past and Hela showing up was a complete surprise.
Carol on the other hand managed to determine that what she'd been told about the war was false and quickly put together a team to deny them their prize and succeeded in saving her planet. That they couldn't breath vacuum and were powerless ('cept the cat) only means she used them in the correct capacity. She's only had one movie so I don't have much to draw off that I haven't mentioned but would just add that likability is not necessarily a defining quality in a leader, Cap Am doesn't put it first like when he found out Natasha had a clandestine mission on the boat or when he realized she pilfered his thumbdrive. However I gotta wonder, what did you find so unlikable about CM? She seemed nice enough to me, considering the context.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 4:46:12 GMT
Neither, to be honest. I just don't see it. Thor I think is too egotistical and most interested in leading himself into battle. Carol, maybe less so, but like Thor, she has the power to jump into situations nobody could possibly help them with. I think they're both tanks who take it personally when they fail, because their faith in themselves is their greatest asset and weakness. Thor never got the message the entire way through that the battle for the fate of the universe wasn't his alone to lose. In the first Endgame trailer, Thor looked worse than dead; he looked defeated. He might as well be dead in living form because of the weight of his failures.
Captain Marvel, maybe. She might be a tinge better with people skills but in the long run, I think she'd resign herself to accepting there are too many places where she can't be followed and it's the morally responsible decision to go it alone. I think they work better as galactic protectors. Choose a quadrant and protect it.
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