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Post by shannondegroot on Mar 16, 2019 23:44:02 GMT
do you think it is explained to you that you are in Hell and what for or do you think you just find yourself suddenly being tortured for all of eternity? Do you think you meet the Devil first? Perhaps another demon? But I guess what would the purpose of the Devil be if you don't meet him.
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Post by clusium on Mar 16, 2019 23:49:32 GMT
do you think it is explained to you that you are in Hell and what for or do you think you just find yourself suddenly being tortured for all of eternity? Do you think you meet the Devil first? Perhaps another demon? But I guess what would the purpose of the Devil be if you don't meet him. I'm pretty sure we know the reasons we end up in Hell, just, as we know why we get sent to jail for.
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Post by Catman on Mar 17, 2019 0:27:22 GMT
There's probably some sort of exit interview when you die.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 17, 2019 0:36:43 GMT
Meeting the devil on your first day would be like taking a tour bus through Washington and being introduced to the President. Very appropriate analogy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 2:34:21 GMT
Hell doesn't exist as an actual place.
If you are so far from grace in mortal sin, you will be separated from God, and become nothing.
For nearly everyone, there will be purgatory, a period where your soul is cleansed of venial sins before you reside with Christ eternal.
That's how I understand it from a Catholic perspective anyway.
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Post by Vegas on Mar 17, 2019 2:59:16 GMT
Hell doesn't exist as an actual place.
If you are so far from grace in mortal sin, you will be separated from God, and become nothing. This is pretty scriptural. Everything else is just a misunderstanding of the metaphoric "lake of fire" or "Gehenna"... and one parable that suddenly gets taken waaayyy too literal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 3:05:29 GMT
Hell doesn't exist as an actual place.
If you are so far from grace in mortal sin, you will be separated from God, and become nothing. This is pretty scriptural. Everything else is just a misunderstanding of the metaphoric "lake of fire" or "Gehenna"... and one parable that suddenly gets taken waaayyy too literal. We leave all that lake of fire stuff with demons sticking red hot pokers up yer arse to those Protestant types. They seem to get off on condemning other people to it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 17, 2019 3:51:25 GMT
This is pretty scriptural. Everything else is just a misunderstanding of the metaphoric "lake of fire" or "Gehenna"... and one parable that suddenly gets taken waaayyy too literal. We leave all that lake of fire stuff with demons sticking red hot pokers up yer arse to those Protestant types. They seem to get off on condemning other people to it. Father Jack, I'm going to say this again, not that I expect your mind to be changed by it, but rather for the benefit of any interested people out there. If what I viewed when I had my vision was Purgatory instead of Hell, then it more than adequately stands in for Hell. It was 100% pain, agony, fear, and horrible torture, and every negative emotion that there is. I can think of absolutely nothing good to say about it. Now you've got Pope Francis saying Hell doesn't exist, and you've got me and others contradicting him by telling of our Hell experiences. Of course, you're going to believe the Pope. He's the source you trust, and he's the one telling you what you prefer to hear.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 5:44:41 GMT
We leave all that lake of fire stuff with demons sticking red hot pokers up yer arse to those Protestant types. They seem to get off on condemning other people to it. Father Jack, I'm going to say this again, not that I expect your mind to be changed by it, but rather for the benefit of any interested people out there. If what I viewed when I had my vision was Purgatory instead of Hell, then it more than adequately stands in for Hell. It was 100% pain, agony, fear, and horrible torture, and every negative emotion that there is. I can think of absolutely nothing good to say about it. Now you've got Pope Francis saying Hell doesn't exist, and you've got me and others contradicting him by telling of our Hell experiences. Of course, you're going to believe the Pope. He's the source you trust, and he's the one telling you what you prefer to hear. That's fine Erjen, each is free to believe as they do. Protestants do the whole Heaven or Hell thing, and denounce us for believing in Purgatory. We believe in Purgatory, an 'in between' final purification if you like, be it a place or process... We pray for the dead which we believe grants them 'time off' in Purgatory... and we reduce our own time in Purgatory by performing certain solemn acts of faith whilst we are alive. Different faiths, different beliefs.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 18, 2019 16:48:02 GMT
Father Jack, I'm going to say this again, not that I expect your mind to be changed by it, but rather for the benefit of any interested people out there. If what I viewed when I had my vision was Purgatory instead of Hell, then it more than adequately stands in for Hell. It was 100% pain, agony, fear, and horrible torture, and every negative emotion that there is. I can think of absolutely nothing good to say about it. Now you've got Pope Francis saying Hell doesn't exist, and you've got me and others contradicting him by telling of our Hell experiences. Of course, you're going to believe the Pope. He's the source you trust, and he's the one telling you what you prefer to hear. That's fine Erjen, each is free to believe as they do. Protestants do the whole Heaven or Hell thing, and denounce us for believing in Purgatory. We believe in Purgatory, an 'in between' final purification if you like, be it a place or process... We pray for the dead which we believe grants them 'time off' in Purgatory... and we reduce our own time in Purgatory by performing certain solemn acts of faith whilst we are alive. Different faiths, different beliefs. And, as always, Father Jack's 'live and let live' attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 6:27:28 GMT
That's fine Erjen, each is free to believe as they do. Protestants do the whole Heaven or Hell thing, and denounce us for believing in Purgatory. We believe in Purgatory, an 'in between' final purification if you like, be it a place or process... We pray for the dead which we believe grants them 'time off' in Purgatory... and we reduce our own time in Purgatory by performing certain solemn acts of faith whilst we are alive. Different faiths, different beliefs. And, as always, Father Jack's 'live and let live' attitude. I hear Fr. Jack was a good man, did his best to actually practice his faith, not just talk it. Liked a bit of the old football ⚽ Took a drop occasionally, liked curry. Not without his faults for sure, but who is 🤷
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Mar 19, 2019 6:48:31 GMT
And, as always, Father Jack's 'live and let live' attitude.
I hear Fr. Jack was a good man, did his best to actually practice his faith, not just talk it. Liked a bit of the old football ⚽ Took a drop occasionally, liked curry.
Not without his faults for sure, but who is 🤷 Are YOU @nedkelly Father Jack OR @fatherjackhackett? YOU ONLY have seven posts...so just wonderin'!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 6:56:19 GMT
I hear Fr. Jack was a good man, did his best to actually practice his faith, not just talk it. Liked a bit of the old football ⚽ Took a drop occasionally, liked curry.
Not without his faults for sure, but who is 🤷 Are YOU @nedkelly Father Jack OR @fatherjackhackett ? YOU ONLY have seven posts...so just wonderin'! Think of it as a continuum 🤔 They all evolve and merge in to one glorious hole whole 😉
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Post by Stammerhead on Mar 19, 2019 11:30:36 GMT
There's probably some sort of exit interview when you die. Probably loads of insurance liability forms that have to be filled in too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 11:35:46 GMT
There's probably some sort of exit interview when you die. Probably loads of insurance liability forms that have to be filled in too. "I accept that I enter Heaven of my own free will, and accept personal responsibility for any accidents I incur during eternity. I will not hold Himself, nor any of the Blessed Saints, liable for any injuries or personal losses." That kind of thing 🤔
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Post by Stammerhead on Mar 19, 2019 11:43:40 GMT
Probably loads of insurance liability forms that have to be filled in too. "I accept that I enter Heaven of my own free will, and accept personal responsibility for any accidents I incur during eternity. I will not hold Himself, nor any of the Blessed Saints, liable for any injuries or personal losses." That kind of thing 🤔 Yeah, just think of how many lawyers must be down there just looking for work.
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 19, 2019 12:21:38 GMT
Meeting the devil on your first day would be like taking a tour bus through Washington and being introduced to the President. No, unless you're somebody important, like a son of perdition, you're just handed off to some low rank demons. I would assume, that in hell, important people don't get the VIP treatment. In fact they probably receive the exact opposite. I bet Hitler is still waiting in the reception while Jews who died after him were already attended.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 12:52:12 GMT
Meeting the devil on your first day would be like taking a tour bus through Washington and being introduced to the President. No, unless you're somebody important, like a son of perdition, you're just handed off to some low rank demons. I bet Hitler is still waiting in the reception while Jews who died after him were already attended. I'm only a lay person, but I'm guessing Hitler didn't make it in to the the 'You are a pure soul, go straight to Heaven' line at the old Pearly Gates. Probably didn't get in to the 'Do your final purification time in Purgatory first' queue either. I think the magnitude of his sins might have been the complete fall from grace, total separation from God, soul snuffed out at death, kind of seriousness. Like I say, I'm only laity, just guessing 🤷
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 19, 2019 15:34:23 GMT
I would assume, that in hell, important people don't get the VIP treatment. In fact they probably receive the exact opposite. I bet Hitler is still waiting in the reception while Jews who died after him were already attended. I didn't mean "important" by our worldly standards. I referred to the "sons of perdition", those who know Christ is the savior but reject him regardless to follow Satan. That's the sin against the Holy Ghost. They get first class treatment in Hell. Judas the Jew met Satan on his first day in Hell. Wasn't Judas just doing God's work by betraying Jesus to the Romans? No betrayal, no crucifixion, no Resurrection, no salvation.
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Post by mslo79 on Apr 4, 2019 22:14:15 GMT
It will be crystal clear your in hell, no room for even the slightest doubt. trust me, you will know. because everyone is judged by God after death here on earth and after that one of three things happens to you... 1)Heaven 2)Purgatory (if you end up in this state your guaranteed Heaven eventually, so you will ultimately win ; basically this purges sin from your soul, it purifies it(which is painful), to get it ready for Heaven. basically Purgatory is God's mercy in action.) 3)Hell (if you end up here, ALL is lost for eternity. nothing but hate/misery remains within your entire being. basically all traces of good cease to exist for you because here on earth, even someone who's bound for hell can still experience some good things but once you pass from this life into the next, if your not on God's side (basically if your will is fixed in evil) all good ceases to exist for you. NOTE: some people wonder how one can be here forever but keep in mind those here reject God as they hate Him and don't want to be with Him. they hate EVERYONE and EVERYTHING in hell, even if they had kids in their earthly life they hate them to. or another way to put hell... the pain there far exceeds any possible pain one can experience here on earth and it's forever.) given what we know from the Catholic church... in my opinion, the vast majority of people will not immediately enter Heaven upon earthly death simply because we are not pure enough to immediately enter Heaven which is where Purgatory comes into play to purge us of our attachment to sin before eventually reaching Heaven. but a lot of Christian denominations think you immediately go to Heaven upon earthly death which is simply not true. @nedkelly While we might not be able to say Hitler is in hell with absolute certainty it's still a pretty safe bet he's in hell as killing THAT many people one has to have completely rejected God at that point. even if by some very slim chance Hitler repented before passing from this life into the next, he's going to be in purgatory for a VERY long time for that level of sin. so at the end of the day... I feel very confident in saying Hitler is in hell as people like him almost surely have to be as killing THAT many people is evil personified.
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