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Post by maya55555 on Mar 20, 2019 3:34:17 GMT
OPINIONS?
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Post by maya55555 on Mar 20, 2019 4:28:25 GMT
Yes, the Nazis were heavily into the occult.
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Post by clusium on Mar 20, 2019 4:44:18 GMT
The most important point to be made here is that Hitler and the Nazis were not Christian, and in fact, were anti-Christian. I would propose that ideologically the Nazis hated the Jews because they fomented Christianity. Of course the German masses resented Jewish wealth and progressivism. But the philosophical basis for Nazi anti-Semitism was a hatred of Christianity. Hitler may have been a Nietzschean existentialist and an atheist. But the religion he saw as most suited to his purpose and that of Germany was Teutonic paganism. He resented Christianity for destroying that as well. Gameboy & maya55555, both of you are absolutely correct. Before I began posting regularly on the R & S message forum on the old IMDB website 5 years ago (& I say "regularly" as I did come briefly to it several years ago, but, did not stay on. However, most of you guys probably don't remember, as I was way too brief at the time), I went to The Passion Of The Christ message forum. For a while there, things were okay, but, then one day this idiot posted to me, that Hitler was a Christian, & I said 'actually no. Hitler was really into the occult.' He asked me to give him a source for it, which I did, but, he (& others like him) dismissed it as "a conspiracy source." I even showed sources from Wikipedia, & they said that Wikipedia sources were not reliable. They then gave their own sources (including from Wikipedia) to prove that Hitler was Christian, & then claimed that theirs were the right sources.
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 20, 2019 9:27:27 GMT
Nonsense. Muhammad was at least a good military leader unlike Hitler. He's also one of the most influential person that has ever lived.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 20, 2019 9:34:36 GMT
Nonsense. Muhammad was at least a good military leader unlike Hitler. He's also one of the most influential person that has ever lived. The comparison really didn't have anything to do with military prowess or lack of it, and as for Muhammad being one of the most influential persons that have ever lived, so was Hitler.
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 20, 2019 9:41:41 GMT
The most important point to be made here is that Hitler and the Nazis were not Christian, and in fact, were anti-Christian. I would propose that ideologically the Nazis hated the Jews because they fomented Christianity. Of course the German masses resented Jewish wealth and progressivism. But the philosophical basis for Nazi anti-Semitism was a hatred of Christianity. Hitler may have been a Nietzschean existentialist and an atheist. But the religion he saw as most suited to his purpose and that of Germany was Teutonic paganism. He resented Christianity for destroying that as well. Gameboy & maya55555 , both of you are absolutely correct. Before I began posting regularly on the R & S message forum on the old IMDB website 5 years ago (& I say "regularly" as I did come briefly to it several years ago, but, did not stay on. However, most of you guys probably don't remember, as I was way too brief at the time), I went to The Passion Of The Christ message forum. For a while there, things were okay, but, then one day this idiot posted to me, that Hitler was a Christian, & I said 'actually no. Hitler was really into the occult.' He asked me to give him a source for it, which I did, but, he (& others like him) dismissed it as "a conspiracy source." I even showed sources from Wikipedia, & they said that Wikipedia sources were not reliable. They then gave their own sources (including from Wikipedia) to prove that Hitler was Christian, & then claimed that theirs were the right sources. I find the whole discussion irrelevant. Hitler's religious beliefs are only discussed when people want to smear some philosophy or religion. Hitler being a Christian or an atheist doesn't say anything about the validity of either proposition. That being said, while Hitler heavily read occult books, there is no indication that he subscribed to any occult beliefs. Albert Speer said that Hitler had a very low opinion Himmler's and Rosenberg mystical beliefs and there is several quotes by him where he describes those beliefs as ridiculous. Also I have yet to find a single quote by Hitler where the man declares his disbelief or denial in the existence of God so I have no indication that he was an atheist.
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 20, 2019 9:45:58 GMT
Nonsense. Muhammad was at least a good military leader unlike Hitler. He's also one of the most influential person that has ever lived. The comparison really didn't have anything to do with military prowess or lack of it, and as for Muhammad being one of the most influential persons that have ever lived, so was Hitler. Muhammad is far more influential than Hitler and you have to go to someone like St. Paul or actually Jesus to have an comparison. More than billion people consider him to be a prophet, he's responsible for turning North Africa and the Middle East from Christianity to Islam. He's also technically responsible for turning Persia and the large segment of the Indian subcontinent into Islamic strongholds.
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Post by Stammerhead on Mar 20, 2019 10:19:58 GMT
Did Muhammad hate Jewish people though?
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Post by faustus5 on Mar 20, 2019 10:31:46 GMT
Hitler was a Christian. Deal with it.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 20, 2019 10:34:54 GMT
So Jung was an islamophobe. Interesting.
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 20, 2019 11:30:38 GMT
But the philosophical basis for Nazi anti-Semitism was a hatred of Christianity. The Jews were convenient scapegoats - they were considered aloof from the other Germans, they had a reputation for being involved in finance (something despised by much of the populace during the economically turbulent Weimar years) and they were ethnically distinct. Racism was rife amongst Europe's upper classes at the time and Hitler was likely both a racist and one who would happily use racism as a vehicle to come to (and to maintain) power. Hitler also used Christian rhetoric several times. It's unlikely this was particularly heartfelt, to me it seems like an attempt to appeal to the Christian populace as a way of uniting them against those Hitler would like to crush. As for paganism, some Nazis were certainly into that (Himmler and Goebbels for instance), but Hitler himself seemed to take a dim view and to prefer Christianity: "What nonsense! Here we have at last reached an age that has left all mysticism behind it, and now [Himmler] wants to start that all over again. We might just as well have stayed with the church. At least it had tradition. To think that I may, some day, be turned into an SS saint! Can you imagine it? I would turn over in my grave …" "The characteristic thing about these people [modern-day followers of the early Germanic religion] is that they rave about the old Germanic heroism, about dim prehistory, stone axes, spear and shield, but in reality are the greatest cowards that can be imagined. For the same people who brandish scholarly imitations of old German tin swords, and wear a dressed bearskin with bull's horns over their heads, preach for the present nothing but struggle with spiritual weapons, and run away as fast as they can from every Communist blackjack." "It seems to me that nothing would be more foolish than to re-establish the worship of Wotan. Our old mythology ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself. Nothing dies unless it is moribund."
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 20, 2019 12:59:26 GMT
Did Muhammad hate Jewish people though? Yes. Especially after they rejected him for the fraud prophet that he was.
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Post by Stammerhead on Mar 20, 2019 13:16:08 GMT
Did Muhammad hate Jewish people though? Yes. Especially after they rejected him for the fraud prophet that he was. Oh well, at least they didn’t get him crucified.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 20, 2019 14:01:07 GMT
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Post by Stammerhead on Mar 20, 2019 14:33:32 GMT
Wow, a talking sheep!
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Post by clusium on Mar 20, 2019 15:11:37 GMT
Hitler was a Christian. Deal with it. Only because he came from a predominantly Christian continent, & was raised Christian. Otherwise, he really didn't care for Christianity too much. Pol Pot was Buddhist, but, only for the same reasons, that Hitler was Christian: Because he came from a predominantly Buddhist continent, & was raised Buddhist. Hitler actually preferred Islam & Shinto over Christianity. He is quoted as saying "Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese who regard the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammadan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness & flabbiness?" Also, his favourite spiritual leader was not the Pope (whom he actually conspired to have forcefully taken from the Vatican, BTW), but, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 20, 2019 19:07:43 GMT
Hitler was a Christian. Deal with it. No, he wasn't, but John Brown was. John Brown was a dedicated Christian. I used to wonder why your kind didn't use John Brown as an example to smear Christianity instead of Hitler. And then suddenly it hit me. Brown was anti-slavery. I sometimes forget that with your kind the results mean nothing. It's all about the goals.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 22, 2019 23:56:35 GMT
Hitler was a Christian. Deal with it. Hitler was actually a Darwinian evolutionist. In fact the basis for the holocaust was Darwinian ideas of human evolution.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 23, 2019 0:50:11 GMT
Hitler was a Christian. Deal with it. Hitler was actually a Darwinian evolutionist. In fact the basis for the holocaust was Darwinian ideas of human evolution. That's not exactly true. While he did borrow (and distort) certain ideas from Darwin, his idea of darwnism and "survival of the fittest" was more in a cultural and racial sense, not a biological/evolutionary one. The term "Darwinism" is often used to simply mean "weeding out the weak/undesiriable" and can be used for any number of things that don't actually involve biology (economic darwinism for instance). When Hitler used the term darwinism, he was refering to social darwinism, not biological darwinism. It's possible he didn't even accept human evolution:
"Where do we acquire the right to believe that man has not always been what he is now? The study of nature teaches us that, in the animal kingdom just as much as in the vegetable kingdom, variations have occurred. They've occurred within the species, but none of these variations has an importance comparable with that which separates man from the monkey — assuming that this transformation really took place"
I actually agree he probably wasn't a Christian (he despised the idea of his Messiah being a pacifist jew), but he definetly believed in some sort of higher power and possibly a Creationist.
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Post by jamescfinn on Mar 23, 2019 4:50:22 GMT
Hitler was a Christian. Deal with it. Hitler was actually a Darwinian evolutionist. In fact the basis for the holocaust was Darwinian ideas of human evolution. Wrong, chucklehead.
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