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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 23:14:19 GMT
Because it totally sets up possibilities for the next movie to be awesome, does it not? Is it a good movie? No, but that's not what it was intended to be, ha. It was only meant to be a set up. For the next one ok?
So ya, I love this movie. Then again as we all know I'm probably an idiot.
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Post by ck100 on Mar 21, 2019 23:26:30 GMT
There are plenty of sequels that have the sole purpose of setting up possibilities for the next film.
How can you say it's one of the best sequels ever if you don't actually like it?
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Post by alpha128 on Mar 21, 2019 23:34:24 GMT
I would say, the Last Jedi is the best sequel ever made. Or one of them at least. Because it totally sets up possibilities for the next movie to be awesome, does it not? Then again as we all know I'm probably an idiot. I'm not going to say you're an idiot. However your OP does make me wonder if you're trolling. However, if you're serious, then I emphatically disagree. What possibilities? Han Solo is dead. Luke Skywalker is dead. Carrie Fisher is dead. Sure there are possibilities for the one-dimensional cardboard cutouts that Lucasfilm calls characters. But when it comes to those characters, in the immortal words of John Boyega:
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Post by politicidal on Mar 21, 2019 23:37:18 GMT
The prodigal son returns.
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Post by Harmless elf on Mar 22, 2019 0:23:36 GMT
No because if that was true then solo wouldn't have been the failure it was.
if you're judging by just setting up for next movie it may be the worst sequel ever
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 4:04:48 GMT
I would say, the Last Jedi is the best sequel ever made. Or one of them at least. Because it totally sets up possibilities for the next movie to be awesome, does it not? Then again as we all know I'm probably an idiot. I'm not going to say you're an idiot. However your OP does make me wonder if you're trolling. However, if you're serious, then I emphatically disagree. What possibilities? Han Solo is dead. Luke Skywalker is dead. Carrie Fisher is dead. Sure there are possibilities for the one-dimensional cardboard cutouts that Lucasfilm calls characters. But when it comes to those characters, in the immortal words of John Boyega: I think it did a good job of simplifying things, especially since it pretty much ended all the subplots of episode 7. Also, killing off Snoke was good because that simplified things even more. And the last jedi didn't introduce any subplots that can carry over to the next movie also, thus simplifying things even more. So based on that, it's pretty clear that that was Rian's main goal or whatever. Because he understands that with too many B stories/subplots, it makes it hard for someone to find their footing while watching it. In the words of Daisey Ridley, Ryan has made unexpected choices that are somehow right. She is correct, imo.
Simplification, if that's actually a word, is what this series needed. Maybe I just think so, because I'm a simple man.
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Post by alpha128 on Mar 22, 2019 11:53:10 GMT
I think it did a good job of simplifying things, especially since it pretty much ended all the subplots of episode 7. Also, killing off Snoke was good because that simplified things even more.
And the last jedi didn't introduce any subplots that can carry over to the next movie also, thus simplifying things even more. So based on that, it's pretty clear that that was Rian's main goal or whatever. Because he understands that with too many B stories/subplots, it makes it hard for someone to find their footing while watching it. In the words of Daisey Ridley, Ryan has made unexpected choices that are somehow right. She is correct, imo.
Simplification, if that's actually a word, is what this series needed. Maybe I just think so, because I'm a simple man.
IMO, ending subplots and killing off major characters is something you do in the last chapter of a trilogy, not the middle chapter. The lack of planning for this sequel trilogy is obvious. So from that perspective TLJ is not a good sequel. As a side note, it still bothers me that at no time in this trilogy will we ever see Han, Luke, and Leia together - unless Lucasfilm resorts to some digital trickery. It seems so obvious to put the big three in a scene together, but Lucasfilm couldn't be bothered. As I've written before, the OT characters were never intended to be characters in the ST - they were intended to be marketing gimmicks.
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Post by Harmless elf on Mar 22, 2019 13:00:53 GMT
I think it did a good job of simplifying things, especially since it pretty much ended all the subplots of episode 7. Also, killing off Snoke was good because that simplified things even more.
And the last jedi didn't introduce any subplots that can carry over to the next movie also, thus simplifying things even more. So based on that, it's pretty clear that that was Rian's main goal or whatever. Because he understands that with too many B stories/subplots, it makes it hard for someone to find their footing while watching it. In the words of Daisey Ridley, Ryan has made unexpected choices that are somehow right. She is correct, imo.
Simplification, if that's actually a word, is what this series needed. Maybe I just think so, because I'm a simple man.
IMO, ending subplots and killing off major characters is something you do in the last chapter of a trilogy, not the middle chapter. The lack of planning for this sequel trilogy is obvious. So from that perspective TLJ is not a good sequel. As a side note, it still bothers me that at no time in this trilogy will we ever see Han, Luke, and Leia together - unless Lucasfilm resorts to some digital trickery. It seems so obvious to put the big three in a scene together, but Lucasfilm couldn't be bothered. As I've written before, the OT characters were never intended to be characters in the ST - they were intended to be marketing gimmicks. you can tell Mark Hamill wanted that by his interviews. his ideas always involve him appearing with them
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 22, 2019 13:38:35 GMT
I think it did a good job of simplifying things, especially since it pretty much ended all the subplots of episode 7. Also, killing off Snoke was good because that simplified things even more.
And the last jedi didn't introduce any subplots that can carry over to the next movie also, thus simplifying things even more. So based on that, it's pretty clear that that was Rian's main goal or whatever. Because he understands that with too many B stories/subplots, it makes it hard for someone to find their footing while watching it. In the words of Daisey Ridley, Ryan has made unexpected choices that are somehow right. She is correct, imo.
Simplification, if that's actually a word, is what this series needed. Maybe I just think so, because I'm a simple man.
IMO, ending subplots and killing off major characters is something you do in the last chapter of a trilogy, not the middle chapter. The lack of planning for this sequel trilogy is obvious. So from that perspective TLJ is not a good sequel. As a side note, it still bothers me that at no time in this trilogy will we ever see Han, Luke, and Leia together - unless Lucasfilm resorts to some digital trickery. It seems so obvious to put the big three in a scene together, but Lucasfilm couldn't be bothered. As I've written before, the OT characters were never intended to be characters in the ST - they were intended to be marketing gimmicks. Come on, man! Something something, subversive writing! It's genius!
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Post by vegalyra on Mar 22, 2019 21:39:28 GMT
Well, with the acquisition of Fox, maybe the Rey can fight some xenomorphs. I'm all in if that happens.
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Post by alpha128 on Mar 22, 2019 22:57:28 GMT
IMO, ending subplots and killing off major characters is something you do in the last chapter of a trilogy, not the middle chapter. The lack of planning for this sequel trilogy is obvious. So from that perspective TLJ is not a good sequel. As a side note, it still bothers me that at no time in this trilogy will we ever see Han, Luke, and Leia together - unless Lucasfilm resorts to some digital trickery. It seems so obvious to put the big three in a scene together, but Lucasfilm couldn't be bothered. As I've written before, the OT characters were never intended to be characters in the ST - they were intended to be marketing gimmicks. Come on, man! Something something, subversive writing! It's genius! Right. Why do I think the underpants gnomes put more thought into their business plan than Lucasfilm did? Seriously, if you're going to subvert expectations, the twists better: 1.) be good and 2.) make sense.
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Post by James on Mar 22, 2019 23:00:14 GMT
Come on, man! Something something, subversive writing! It's genius! Right. Why do I think the underpants gnomes put more thought into their business plan than Lucasfilm did? Seriously, if you're going to subvert expectations, the twists better: 1.) be good and 2.) make sense. You do realize he was being sarcastic in that statement, right?
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Post by alpha128 on Mar 22, 2019 23:01:38 GMT
Right. Why do I think the underpants gnomes put more thought into their business plan than Lucasfilm did? Seriously, if you're going to subvert expectations, the twists better: 1.) be good and 2.) make sense. You do realize he was being sarcastic in that statement, right? Yeah. It's all good.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Mar 23, 2019 6:12:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 7:01:12 GMT
I would say I am surprised to see you have had a change of heart after your threads about 'The Last Jedi' on here last year but I have known other people who have come to like movies after seeing them a second time.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Apr 4, 2019 14:10:01 GMT
I think that the Number 1 Best Movie Sequel ever made is "ALIENS".
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 4, 2019 15:22:42 GMT
Because it totally sets up possibilities for the next movie to be awesome, does it not? Is it a good movie? No, but that's not what it was intended to be, ha. It was only meant to be a set up. For the next one ok?
So ya, I love this movie. Then again as we all know I'm probably an idiot. Its not just a good movie. It’s a fantastic movie which is why it builds anticipation. If it was a bad movie it would be impossible to be the reason to want to see a third movie.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 4, 2019 15:55:54 GMT
Because it totally sets up possibilities for the next movie to be awesome, does it not? Is it a good movie? No, but that's not what it was intended to be, ha. It was only meant to be a set up. For the next one ok?
So ya, I love this movie. Then again as we all know I'm probably an idiot. Your being an idiot is well established as per this post. But let me pursue at least one major flaw in your idiotic thinking.
TFA was the movie that was setup. In TFA Abrams set up everything a follow up director needed to continue telling a pretty good story. Created new characters and scenarios and left us of with a relatively cool cliffhanger.
Instead TLJ wasted just about EVERY opportunity set-up by TFA. So much so in fact that I really don't know where Episode 9 is going to go. One should get a sense from a third movie in a trilogy that there are things that should be wrapping up, right?
But what needs to be wrapped up about Finn? I don't know. He hasn't done anything in the last two movies. What needs to be wrapped up about Poe? I don't know. He hasn't done anything in the last two movies. What needs to be wrapped up about Rey? I don't know. She hasn't done anything in the last two movies either. Luke didn't train her. She pretty much trained herself, and only a little bit at that. Her parents? They're nobody. Where's she headed? Who know? Who cares? Luke? Dead. Han? Dead. Leia? Dead. Snoke? Dead. Phasma? Dead. The Resistance? Dead. Kylo? Who gives a fuck? Rose Tico? Who really gives a fuck?
The coolest fucking character so far has been BB8!!!
How can they wrap all that up with only one more movie and legitimately call it the end of the Skywalker saga? The end was TLJ.
(I was just kidding about you being an idiot, lol)
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 4, 2019 16:01:48 GMT
As a side note, it still bothers me that at no time in this trilogy will we ever see Han, Luke, and Leia together - unless Lucasfilm resorts to some digital trickery. It seems so obvious to put the big three in a scene together, That is not a side note. That is the MAIN NOTE! Its such a duh thing I will never understand how all the people involved didnt make it happen. I mean WTF were they thinking?
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Post by alpha128 on Apr 4, 2019 22:24:52 GMT
As a side note, it still bothers me that at no time in this trilogy will we ever see Han, Luke, and Leia together - unless Lucasfilm resorts to some digital trickery. It seems so obvious to put the big three in a scene together, That is not a side note. That is the MAIN NOTE! Its such a duh thing I will never understand how all the people involved didnt make I happen. I mean WTF were they thinking? They were thinking the following: - They couldn't give the OT characters prominent roles in the ST because they would "overshadow" the new one-dimensional cardboard cut-outs that Lucasfilm calls characters
- Star Wars fans were mindless sheep who would go to multiple viewings of anything Lucasfilm put out with the "Star Wars" brand name on it
- Lucasfilm could repeatedly insult the Star Wars fandom without any negative consequences because of #2
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