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Post by Cody™ on Mar 30, 2019 13:46:07 GMT
That doesn't really refute anything I said. Christianity didn't give you any of those things, Western society did, Christianity just happened to going along for the ride. In fact if anything, Christianity has been a hinderance to those things for the reasons I just listed off. I think most of you are missing the point of the quote. It’s not really saying those things originate solely from Christianity. It’s point is that the way they are formed as we know them today are as the fruit of Christianity. This is an undeniable fact. The link only substantiates that.
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Post by faustus5 on Mar 30, 2019 13:51:12 GMT
This is an undeniable fact. The link only substantiates that. Only in the mind of someone who doesn't know how to reason from facts to valid conclusions.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 30, 2019 13:57:10 GMT
This is an undeniable fact. The link only substantiates that. Only in the mind of someone who doesn't know how to reason from facts to valid conclusions. Universities as we know them today were established in Christian Europe in the Middle Ages. Fact. Modern science and medicine, political liberty, purified sexuality, exaltation of women, transcendent music and abolition of slavery. All these things as we as we know them today were influenced or deeply rooted in Christianity. These are facts.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 30, 2019 14:10:43 GMT
That doesn't really refute anything I said. Christianity didn't give you any of those things, Western society did, Christianity just happened to going along for the ride. In fact if anything, Christianity has been a hinderance to those things for the reasons I just listed off. I think most of you are missing the point of the quote. It’s not really saying those things originate solely from Christianity. It’s point is that the way they are formed as we know them today are as the fruit of Christianity. This is an undeniable fact. The link only substantiates that. You haven't actually demonstrated that. The ancient Greeks were already practicing philosophy, academia, science, large elaborate buildings and art, no Jesus required. It's because of things the like the Enlightenment, the Constitution, the Protestant Reformation, rejecting Biblical literalism in western society that allowed for Christianity to ease it's influence on science, art, and politics and produce the so called "fruits" that you're championing.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 30, 2019 14:23:59 GMT
I think most of you are missing the point of the quote. It’s not really saying those things originate solely from Christianity. It’s point is that the way they are formed as we know them today are as the fruit of Christianity. This is an undeniable fact. The link only substantiates that. You haven't actually demonstrated that. The ancient Greeks were already practicing philosophy, academia, science, large elaborate buildings and art, no Jesus required. It's because of things the like the Enlightenment, the Constitution, the Protestant Reformation, rejecting Biblical literalism in western society that allowed for Christianity to ease it's influence on science, art, and politics and produce the so called "fruits" that you're championing. The provided link pretty much does demonstrate that.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 30, 2019 14:28:44 GMT
You haven't actually demonstrated that. The ancient Greeks were already practicing philosophy, academia, science, large elaborate buildings and art, no Jesus required. It's because of things the like the Enlightenment, the Constitution, the Protestant Reformation, rejecting Biblical literalism in western society that allowed for Christianity to ease it's influence on science, art, and politics and produce the so called "fruits" that you're championing. The provided link pretty much does demonstrate that. It really doesn't
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 30, 2019 15:07:15 GMT
The provided link pretty much does demonstrate that. It really doesn't Are you winding me up?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 30, 2019 16:41:51 GMT
In the name of God... "We'll give some land to n****rs and chinks, but we don't want the Irish" ☹️ When I was a kid my aunt told me that American businesses in the 1800's had signs up that said NINA (No Irish Need Apply). It was pretty bad.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 17:25:19 GMT
In the name of God... "We'll give some land to n****rs and chinks, but we don't want the Irish" ☹️ When I was a kid my aunt told me that American businesses in the 1800's had signs up that said NINA (No Irish Need Apply). It was pretty bad. Accommodation to rent in Britain in the 1950s and 1960s often had this notice attached...
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 30, 2019 17:28:59 GMT
When I was a kid my aunt told me that American businesses in the 1800's had signs up that said NINA (No Irish Need Apply). It was pretty bad. Accommodation to rent in Britain in the 1950s and 1960s often had this notice attached... Horrible. I can only hope that kind of thing wouldn't fly in Britain today. There are some rather serious consequences for it here in the States.
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Post by phludowin on Mar 30, 2019 19:03:00 GMT
When I was a kid my aunt told me that American businesses in the 1800's had signs up that said NINA (No Irish Need Apply). It was pretty bad. Accommodation to rent in Britain in the 1950s and 1960s often had this notice attached... This is the country of Robert Relf.
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Post by faustus5 on Mar 31, 2019 13:26:44 GMT
Only in the mind of someone who doesn't know how to reason from facts to valid conclusions. Universities as we know them today were established in Christian Europe in the Middle Ages. Fact. They would have been established anyway, regardless of whatever idiotic religion was ruling the land. Fact. Institutions of learning are a world wide phenomena. Fact. I don't know what you think you mean by "transcendent music" (I doubt even you know what you mean), but every one of the other advances was opposed, in some form or other, by Christians. Dipshits like you would have been quoting the bible in support of slavery in the 19th century.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 31, 2019 15:37:10 GMT
Universities as we know them today were established in Christian Europe in the Middle Ages. Fact. They would have been established anyway, regardless of whatever idiotic religion was ruling the land. Fact. Institutions of learning are a world wide phenomena. Fact. I don't know what you think you mean by "transcendent music" (I doubt even you know what you mean), but every one of the other advances was opposed, in some form or other, by Christians. Dipshits like you would have been quoting the bible in support of slavery in the 19th century. Really? You don't say? What institutions of learning were established in Mongolia during that time? I have yet to hear about them.
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Post by faustus5 on Mar 31, 2019 16:26:43 GMT
Really? You don't say? What institutions of learning were established in Mongolia during that time? I have yet to hear about them. That's only because you are an ignorant, know-nothing hick who didn't bother to do any research before making this post. I don't know what you meant by "during that time"--and by the way, you don't know what you meant, either--but there were Buddhist run institutions of learning there around the same time as the Western Enlightenment. They weren't as awesome as ours, but they existed.
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