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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 2, 2019 4:14:13 GMT
Alternate futures, pasts, & presents.
The more I've read about time & time travel & alternate universe theories, the simpler Back to the Future maps out.
Essentially, there is no one single time & space line. When 1985 Marty returns from 1955, the entire McFly clan is rich & wealthy. It's not that he's dropped back into his 'original' time & space, it's that as soon as he changes Lorraine & George's future in 1955, Marty is then aligned to going forward into that alternate future 1985.
The best thing I've learned about alternate universes is that if one were to exist, science & logic would be unable to argue that an infinite number of them do as well.
BTTF we merely see Marty & Doc not breaking &/or band-aid'ing one single time & space, rather they're travelling through alternate universes.
Doc says that travelling through time is different than travelling through space. Which is a flaw in the script I think lest the universe & thereby our Earth were inactive movers through space. Every passing moment 'space' is in motion. He's invented a space time machine.
All that mapped out makes BTTF's continuities entirely plausible & acceptable for me. There is no single thread Marty must tight rope walk... there's infinite ones.
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Post by biker1 on Apr 2, 2019 15:30:06 GMT
Alternative timelines seems to be the theory that makes sense - at least, in simplistic terms of the movies. Some of the indepth analysis by boffins on the web would do your head in...pages and pages of the stuff. Both primer and interstellar did renew interest, re. time travel in film.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 2, 2019 15:39:35 GMT
The depressing thing to consider regarding the plot and alternate universes is that in his 'original' universe, Marty just disappeared one day and never came back. So his family is still in a shitty place and now their son is gone. Sad.
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Post by James on Apr 2, 2019 16:06:25 GMT
I like to imagine that the original timelines get erased after alternate timelines form.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 2, 2019 16:16:11 GMT
sometimes thinking too much about the details spoils the fun of the fantasy 
OT BUT …. I was distracted by the sudden addition of Marty's wild reaction to "don't call me chicken" as if it had been part of the continuing story and yet was completely absent in #1. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 2, 2019 20:28:43 GMT
But does the fact that Marty and his siblings start fading from existence contradict a multiverse theory? If Marty was from one universe and traveled to another, the things from his original universe wouldn't be effected by what he does in an alternative one. His photograph would stay the same.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Apr 2, 2019 22:56:27 GMT
The depressing thing to consider regarding the plot and alternate universes is that in his 'original' universe, Marty just disappeared one day and never came back. So his family is still in a shitty place and now their son is gone. Sad. A sobering thought indeed.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 2, 2019 23:05:07 GMT
sometimes thinking too much about the details spoils the fun of the fantasy
OT BUT …. I was distracted by the sudden addition of Marty's wild reaction to "don't call me chicken" as if it had been part of the continuing story and yet was completely absent in #1. Wow! Yes! I'm glad someone else agrees! That wasn't a thing!
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 3, 2019 4:38:19 GMT
sometimes thinking too much about the details spoils the fun of the fantasy
OT BUT …. I was distracted by the sudden addition of Marty's wild reaction to "don't call me chicken" as if it had been part of the continuing story and yet was completely absent in #1. Wow! Yes! I'm glad someone else agrees! That wasn't a thing! My Mandela effect was always Needles. He appears in BTTF III as a teen like he's some regular character. I think maybe he was on the animated tv show more frequently? Dunno. Even BTTF II we see future Needles like he's a familiar face or something.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 3, 2019 4:42:54 GMT
But does the fact that Marty and his siblings start fading from existence contradict a multiverse theory? If Marty was from one universe and traveled to another, the things from his original universe wouldn't be effected by what he does in an alternative one. His photograph would stay the same. Another jab counter my take is if Marty does return to wealthy McFly'verse 1985 (& I was thinking this thought upon re-watch) shouldn't his family have probably moved to a better home in a better neighbourhood. Like BTTF II his family's gone from that house. In the 'new' 1985 his family should've maybe also been. When Marty drives into the cinema, I wonder if he figured he oughta brake real hard from 88mph lols. I guess Doc took that travelling through time thing pretty high risk high reward - if he drove into a new/old building or worse. Like going into hyper space without proper coordinates.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 15, 2019 3:10:22 GMT
BTTF III, when would 1855 Doc become the one who helped Marty go back to see him from 1955?
I kinda get that the 1855 Doc we see is directly jumped from 1955's flying DeLorean, yet wouldn't Doc be changed in our 1855 to know Marty was coming for him now? When else would that Part III 1955 Doc exist otherwise?
This is heavy.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 16, 2019 21:56:33 GMT
BTTF III dvd Q&A faqs bonus feature - speaking to why 2015 Marty still exists if 1985 Marty has left time to visit the future (because Marty would've vacated that timeline for the DeLorean). They're pretty ambiguous about it, all but admitting it's for storytelling purposes & the film wouldn't exist without that.
What I've always appreciated is they try to gravitate around time space continuum having its own properties trying to protect paradoxes. Marty unable to re-start the DeLorean upon return to 1985 in Part I lest he run into his 1985 self.
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