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Post by ant-mac on Apr 6, 2019 7:10:19 GMT
I think you're comparing apples to oranges. A woman's scent - natural or otherwise - is comparable to a man's scent - natural or otherwise. You'll have to find a female action that is more equivalent to "man-spreading" than that. PS - Personally, I rarely have a problem with scents, whether they emanate from a man or a woman. However, there is absolutely nothing that is visually appealing about "man-spreading". I was not referring to a woman's natural scent, that is just a natural thing that happens. Having a natural odor does not equate to "taking action". I am talking about women who wear perfume and that what this comes down to is choice. The woman is choosing to put perfume on, and I happen to find many of the manufactured scents that women wear in public to be offensive. They make my eyes water and they make me cough and gag, and I do think these scents impose. And I think this correlation is a no-brainer. Men who man spread in public are, in a sense, choosing to do this. But even that is giving the opposing POV the benefit of the doubt as I think the spreading of the legs thing is, for men, kind of a natural thing for men to do because of their anatomy. But women (and a few men, god help us) complain and say that men can be more considerate and choose to take up extra space by this "act" and can choose to hold their legs together (which would be somewhat uncomfortable for most guys) Well, the semi-toxic scent that emanates from females who wear perfume actually take up more space than the manspreading ever could, as the scent extends itself more than the 10-15 inches to be tallied from the spread of a man's thighs. And putting on a perfume that may be offensive to others IS an action taken by women. Putting on deodorant is an action. Putting on perfume is an action. As far as what is or is not visually appealing, well, that would come down to a matter of personal likes and dislikes. I love it when a guy spreads his legs on the subway. I just love the visual, gets me aroused, makes me horny... Being a straight man, I imagine you would not be likely to find man-spreading visually appealing or sexy. And I imagine perhaps you don't object when an attractive female shows a little bit of leg or some cleavage. Whatever floats your boat! 1. I did not say you were referring to a woman's natural scent. I simply chose to cover more possibilities. 2. I can certainly understand that having no brain might be an advantage in such an instance. As I stated earlier, you are attempting to compare apples and oranges. You need to find a better example that is an equivalency to what you're complaining about. 3. If someone has a problem with the scent - natural or otherwise - emanating from another individual - female, male or otherwise - then they should obviously attempt to fix the problem - through rational and reasonable means. And although I personally don't normally have a problem with such things, an offensive scent - natural or otherwise - can emanate from anyone - female, male or otherwise. 4. I agree, which is why I was disappointed you chose to express your specific example as if it were a universal truth. That is why I purposefully responded in kind.
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Post by morfeus on Apr 6, 2019 7:45:57 GMT
If a guy doesn't manspread it means he has no balls if you close your legs together you squish your balls. Huh, how thought provoking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 7:42:00 GMT
Men shouldn't 'manspread' anytime. I know my Uncle's definition of 'manspread' and it absolutely pongs and makes you feel like you are going to pass out when he lets them go at the table.
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Post by ant-mac on Apr 7, 2019 8:05:02 GMT
Men shouldn't 'manspread' anytime. I know my Uncle's definition of 'manspread' and it absolutely pongs and makes you feel like you are going to pass out when he lets them go at the table. That's not man-spreading. That's an entirely different type of "spreading"...
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Post by dirtypillows on Apr 7, 2019 8:11:01 GMT
I was not referring to a woman's natural scent, that is just a natural thing that happens. Having a natural odor does not equate to "taking action". I am talking about women who wear perfume and that what this comes down to is choice. The woman is choosing to put perfume on, and I happen to find many of the manufactured scents that women wear in public to be offensive. They make my eyes water and they make me cough and gag, and I do think these scents impose. And I think this correlation is a no-brainer. Men who man spread in public are, in a sense, choosing to do this. But even that is giving the opposing POV the benefit of the doubt as I think the spreading of the legs thing is, for men, kind of a natural thing for men to do because of their anatomy. But women (and a few men, god help us) complain and say that men can be more considerate and choose to take up extra space by this "act" and can choose to hold their legs together (which would be somewhat uncomfortable for most guys) Well, the semi-toxic scent that emanates from females who wear perfume actually take up more space than the manspreading ever could, as the scent extends itself more than the 10-15 inches to be tallied from the spread of a man's thighs. And putting on a perfume that may be offensive to others IS an action taken by women. Putting on deodorant is an action. Putting on perfume is an action. As far as what is or is not visually appealing, well, that would come down to a matter of personal likes and dislikes. I love it when a guy spreads his legs on the subway. I just love the visual, gets me aroused, makes me horny... Being a straight man, I imagine you would not be likely to find man-spreading visually appealing or sexy. And I imagine perhaps you don't object when an attractive female shows a little bit of leg or some cleavage. Whatever floats your boat! 1. I did not say you were referring to a woman's natural scent. I simply chose to cover more possibilities. 2. I can certainly understand that having no brain might be an advantage in such an instance. As I stated earlier, you are attempting to compare apples and oranges. You need to find a better example that is an equivalency to what you're complaining about. 3. If someone has a problem with the scent - natural or otherwise - emanating from another individual - female, male or otherwise - then they should obviously attempt to fix the problem - through rational and reasonable means. And although I personally don't normally have a problem with such things, an offensive scent - natural or otherwise - can emanate from anyone - female, male or otherwise. 4. I agree, which is why I was disappointed you chose to express your specific example as if it were a universal truth. That is why I purposefully responded in kind. Well, to be super honest with you, likable acquaintance, ant-mac... my entire OP was geared in sort of purposefully passive aggressive fashion to those people who find man-spreading offensive. I don't appreciate these people or their silly point of view and so I decided to come up with an example that was equally silly. Though, of course, I do think that women are/can be every bit as offensive as men, and the women who complain almost constantly about men are, as far as I'm concerned, the worst of the worst. And if I haven't been clear or obvious before, I will say it now. It is very likely that I do have a drop or two of misogyny in me. Probably not more than a couple or three or four drops, but it's there. And it's because these women (who really do just plain hate men) have to reach so hard and find something so petty and ridiculous like manspreading to bash men over that makes me like the "fairer sex" so much less than my own. And I don't have to be rational about it. I'm just going to ride this one out. Anyway, I liked your smiley faces.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 8:14:25 GMT
Men shouldn't 'manspread' anytime. I know my Uncle's definition of 'manspread' and it absolutely pongs and makes you feel like you are going to pass out when he lets them go at the table. That's not man-spreading. That's an entirely different type of "spreading"... Yeah and one that is really, really bad. My Uncle has always been really inappropriate with his farting and he likes to make fart noises that sound like animals and thinks it is some type of talent and he waits until everybody is sitting around him to do these really stinky ones and laughs his head off over it and he says he is being caring and caring is sharing. He has been doing it since I was a kid and it never gets old for him.
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Post by dirtypillows on Apr 7, 2019 8:20:29 GMT
Having to breathe in women's perfume can be extremely unpleasant, and can be considered a "public menace" approximately on the same order as men who spread their legs on public transit. I mean the sometimes overpowering scent of the perfume can create its own do-not-enter space, and it's not fair that other passengers should have to breath in something that could cause a negative reaction or make them sick. In fact, women wearing perfume in public spaces is actually worse than manspreading, as the latter does not make people break out in allergic reaction or to become sick. So, I can't take the manspreading complaint seriously until some gender appropriate policy that makes females accountable for their not always welcome "aromatic" contribution to the bus or train. Fair is fair, ladies. Can't have it both ways. Besides, at the least manspreading is visually appealing. I don't mind some ladies perfumes and can often comment on the fragrance. Men wear colognes as well and some can be more pleasant than others. I am not sure if a physical action of manspreading is comparable to cologne wearing and is perhaps not the best equivalency to your point. When cologne is mixed with natural body odor, I do feel from experience, that the feminine smell can create a more sharp and negative reaction together, than that of a males. I prefer the way a clean, deodorized male smells over a female. And yes, I love manspreading. No, it really is not, Toasted Cheese. I was being about half serious, and used a rather silly example to make a certain point. I just think that manspreading is a really dumb as well as totally ignorant thing that women have cooked up to complain about. Their point of view is not valid because it doesn't take into account the REASON why many men manspread, which is obviously due to anatomy. I should have worded my OP in closer keeping with that, but for some reason perfume entered my thinking and I just thought to myself "well, some of those perfumes can be overpowering" and I went with that. They're choosing to be anti-male (and that's all that is) and so I decided I would go for it and be "anti-female". The better opposing argument to this one, and one that has been provided by many observant, reasonable people, is to take note of all the females who use the seat next to them to put all their shopping bags from their latest spree. That, I think, is really a better example. I just went off half-cocked. And I really do love women, especially the funny ones, it's the lesbian manhaters who get under my skin and who make me want to not make love. Ahem... And I also do like some female fragrances, with Shalamar being my top favorite. I love the way Shalamar smells! So nice.
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Post by redhorizon on Apr 7, 2019 8:30:24 GMT
Is sitting Indian style manspreading?
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Post by ant-mac on Apr 7, 2019 8:41:04 GMT
That's not man-spreading. That's an entirely different type of "spreading"... Yeah and one that is really, really bad. My Uncle has always been really inappropriate with his farting and he likes to make fart noises that sound like animals and thinks it is some type of talent and he waits until everybody is sitting around him to do these really stinky ones and laughs his head off over it and he says he is being caring and caring is sharing. He has been doing it since I was a kid and it never gets old for him. Well, with a talent like that, I expect he doesn't get many invites to dinner parties...
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Post by ant-mac on Apr 7, 2019 8:49:39 GMT
1. I did not say you were referring to a woman's natural scent. I simply chose to cover more possibilities. 2. I can certainly understand that having no brain might be an advantage in such an instance. As I stated earlier, you are attempting to compare apples and oranges. You need to find a better example that is an equivalency to what you're complaining about. 3. If someone has a problem with the scent - natural or otherwise - emanating from another individual - female, male or otherwise - then they should obviously attempt to fix the problem - through rational and reasonable means. And although I personally don't normally have a problem with such things, an offensive scent - natural or otherwise - can emanate from anyone - female, male or otherwise. 4. I agree, which is why I was disappointed you chose to express your specific example as if it were a universal truth. That is why I purposefully responded in kind. Well, to be super honest with you, likable acquaintance, ant-mac... my entire OP was geared in sort of purposefully passive aggressive fashion to those people who find man-spreading offensive. I don't appreciate these people or their silly point of view and so I decided to come up with an example that was equally silly. Though, of course, I do think that women are/can be every bit as offensive as men, and the women who complain almost constantly about men are, as far as I'm concerned, the worst of the worst. And if I haven't been clear or obvious before, I will say it now. It is very likely that I do have a drop or two of misogyny in me. Probably not more than a couple or three or four drops, but it's there. And it's because these women (who really do just plain hate men) have to reach so hard and find something so petty and ridiculous like manspreading to bash men over that makes me like the "fairer sex" so much less than my own. And I don't have to be rational about it. I'm just going to ride this one out. Anyway, I liked your smiley faces. If people choose to find man-spreading offensive, that is there right. Just as it is your right to be sexually aroused by it. I stated that I do not find it visually appealing and that remains my opinion. Beyond that, I don't care much either way. Misogyny?! You?! The very thought had never occurred to me... Some women hate men and some men hate women... and that's barely even scratching the surface of all of the varieties of Human behaviour. I'm glad you enjoyed the emoticons. Here's one that I think does a reasonable job of representing you...
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 7, 2019 8:50:48 GMT
I’d say it’s all about moderation.
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Post by kls on Apr 7, 2019 11:56:46 GMT
No, it really is not, Toasted Cheese. I was being about half serious, and used a rather silly example to make a certain point. I just think that manspreading is a really dumb as well as totally ignorant thing that women have cooked up to complain about. Their point of view is not valid because it doesn't take into account the REASON why many men manspread, which is obviously due to anatomy. I should have worded my OP in closer keeping with that, but for some reason perfume entered my thinking and I just thought to myself "well, some of those perfumes can be overpowering" and I went with that. They're choosing to be anti-male (and that's all that is) and so I decided I would go for it and be "anti-female". The better opposing argument to this one, and one that has been provided by many observant, reasonable people, is to take note of all the females who use the seat next to them to put all their shopping bags from their latest spree. That, I think, is really a better example. I just went off half-cocked. And I really do love women, especially the funny ones, it's the lesbian manhaters who get under my skin and who make me want to not make love. Ahem...And I also do like some female fragrances, with Shalamar being my top favorite. I love the way Shalamar smells! So nice. I tend to have a lot of fun with my female friends and can be more spontaneous with them, where as with my straight male friends, I have to be a bit more reserved. Sometimes I slip. I work with a man-hater and since her health has been deteriorating, she has been even more hateful. She is a misandrist troll and once asked me to pull up my pants because the top of my daks were showing. Now, I think that is really hot on a male and she said, why do men do that, women don't. She looks for any opening she can, because she is a twat and she has a son that I bet she can barely stand because he is male and she favors the females on the roster. Respectfully you're going to have to provide more evidence that she's a man hater than saying you shouldn't show underwear at work.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 7, 2019 14:43:17 GMT
Anyone of any gender sitting next to a "manspread" man on public transportation is going to have a problem because the "manspreader" takes up more than their share of the room in the sitting area. It's not so much a VISUAL problem . Tt's about hogging the space.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 7, 2019 18:48:33 GMT
This picture ^^^^^^ does not show the pregnant girl and the guy with the cast on his leg and the 80 year old lady standing because jokers like this are "manspread" all over the place and taking up extra seats!
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Post by Nora on Apr 7, 2019 18:50:26 GMT
as someone who has to take the subway in the rush hour often i can say that its absolutelly ridiculous when a guy “manspreads” as it reall does take So Much more space than needed. There is an alternative which doesnt require a complete leg together posture but just slightly less spreading would sometimes go a long way.
Re visually appealing - I think this may be somewhat connected to the sexuality of the observer. And also to the shape and style of the spreader. Very few men that manspread are visually appealing to me.
Re perfume wearing (I think it goes both ways, women and mens frangance) I agree that if someone overdoes it with their frangnance on the subway, it is very difficult to be around that person or in their proximity or in closed spaces with them. But I rarely encounter this in the US (eeme a bigger problem in Europe).
More often I encounter an offensive BO smell coming from someone.
Most guys on the subway in NYC in rush hour dont manspread anymore though, the awareness campaign has worked it seems, since I remember it being a bigger problem a few years ago.
Good job, millenials!
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Post by deembastille on Apr 7, 2019 23:17:19 GMT
Well, perfume does not take up three seats on the subway.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 7, 2019 23:21:35 GMT
Well, perfume does not take up three seats on the subway. Always the possibility that it stinks so much that the car clears out completely at the next stop ! But that's another story !
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Post by deembastille on Apr 7, 2019 23:23:36 GMT
Well, perfume does not take up three seats on the subway. Always the possibility that it stinks so much that the car clears out completely at the next stop ! But that's another story ! Oh sure. But that's kinda rare and you can throw your nose into your shirt or something. Can't do that with manspreading. There's also perfume and body stank. I'd rather perfume and hopefully the ability to forego my place in that subway car if I have to.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 7, 2019 23:32:44 GMT
deembastille"Throwing noses into shirts or something" isn't much help with allergies / asthma and about as useful as asking the spreader to close 'em up and make room ! BOTH over perfumers and spreaders are rude and inconsiderate dolts but, other than that, they really are apples and oranges annoyance-wise.
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