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Post by geode on Apr 10, 2019 10:22:01 GMT
For those who believe in God (I am thinking the Abrahamic God here) do you think God's love is unconditional? For the atheists here, do you think God as a concept offers unconditional love?
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 10, 2019 10:37:14 GMT
Unconditional - Not subject to any conditions.
The first condition of the Abrahamic god is that you have to follow his religion. Even if you follow his religion you still have to abide by his standards. In my personal opinion, there isn't even any room for debate here. God's love (especially Abrahamic God's) love is totally conditional.
It would be good to ask whether anyone's love is unconditional. My answer will remain the same. Love is always conditional. Sometimes conditions are implicit in reasons for developing love in the first place. However, I can respectfully agree to disagree with people who believe that their love for their children or parents or wife is unconditional.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 10, 2019 10:43:26 GMT
One has to define love first.
God's love is unconditional in the sense he wants everyone to have the opportunity for salvation and ensured people were given that option which is fair.
It is not in the sense he feels the exact same way for enemies of his followers that he does for his followers which is also fair.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 10, 2019 10:58:08 GMT
No conditions there. 👇
“The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.” 1 JOHN 4:8
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 11:01:30 GMT
For the atheists here, do you think God as a concept offers unconditional love? Okay, first off, I don't think unconditional love is a good thing. Love is, and should be, conditional. The real discussion to have is what conditions does one's love come with. If I love somebody only so long as they kiss my ass, then I'm not doing it right. If I love someone only so long as they aren't molesting children, then I'm being perfectly reasonable. Second off, the answer to the question is obviously going to depend on one's conception of god. Many conceptions of god include him sending people to burn in hell for all eternity for trivial 'crimes', sometimes even for not being sufficiently sycophantic towards him. Some believers see this as something a loving god can do, and have no issue with the idea that a god who would do this to them nevertheless loves them. I do not find that position a very credible one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 13:26:05 GMT
Ask every man, woman, child, and yet un-born the first day of the flood...
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 10, 2019 13:30:04 GMT
Ask every man, woman, child, and yet un-born the first day of the flood... Ask the millions of pre-born babies how loving their mothers were the day they aborted them. A procedure you support.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 13:33:34 GMT
Ask every man, woman, child, and yet un-born the first day of the flood... Ask the millions of pre-born babies how loving their mothers were the day they aborted them. Indeed... thanks for reinforcing my point. Link?
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 10, 2019 13:35:32 GMT
Ask the millions of pre-born babies how loving their mothers were the day they aborted them. Indeed... thanks for reinforcing my point. Link? Are you anti-abortion?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 13:50:23 GMT
Indeed... thanks for reinforcing my point. Link? Are you anti-abortion? What is ' anti-abortion'? Please define.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 10, 2019 13:55:02 GMT
What is ' anti-abortion'? Please define. Against abortion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 13:56:46 GMT
What is ' anti-abortion'? Please define. Against abortion. You mean, against me or my wife having an abortion... or any person anywhere for any reason having an abortion and would prevent that at almost any cost?
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 10, 2019 14:00:38 GMT
You mean, against me or my wife having an abortion... or any person anywhere for any reason having an abortion and would prevent that at almost any cost? Let me rephrase it so you can’t weasel your way out. Do you support a woman’s choice to abort her un-born baby?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 14:02:37 GMT
You mean, against me or my wife having an abortion... or any person anywhere for any reason having an abortion and would prevent that at almost any cost? Let me rephrase it so you can’t weasel your way out. Do you support a woman’s choice to abort her un-born baby? Yes... why wouldn't I?
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 10, 2019 14:08:42 GMT
Let me rephrase it so you can’t weasel your way out. Do you support a woman’s choice to abort her un-born baby? Yes... why wouldn't I? Then my original charge was correct. You support the procedure of a woman aborting/killing her un-born baby. Something you originally disingenuously denied.
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Post by clusium on Apr 10, 2019 14:12:45 GMT
For those who believe in God (I am thinking the Abrahamic God here) do you think God's love is unconditional? For the atheists here, do you think God as a concept offers unconditional love? While God's Love for us might be Conditional, He Does Give His children free will, and the choice to be with Him or not. He Did not Create us all as robots, which would have PREVENTED us from rejecting Him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 14:40:22 GMT
Then my original charge was correct. You support the procedure of a woman aborting/killing her un-born baby. Something you originally disingenuously denied. Are you vegan?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 15:11:53 GMT
Then my original charge was correct. You support the procedure of a woman aborting/killing her un-born baby. Something you originally disingenuously denied. Hello... hello... is this thing on? Are you vegan?
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 10, 2019 15:17:38 GMT
Then my original charge was correct. You support the procedure of a woman aborting/killing her un-born baby. Something you originally disingenuously denied. Hello... hello... is this thing on? Are you vegan? No.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 15:20:12 GMT
Hello... hello... is this thing on? Are you vegan? No. You should be... God only gave us plants for food, not animals. You are instructed not to kill.
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