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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 29, 2019 7:00:22 GMT
"Hey Theon, instead of charging madly at the Night King, just stand behind me for two seconds and wait for Arya. You don't have to die." -not the Three-Eyed Raven It depends on what you expect of the show. I for one know that I am not watching a documentary where they will show some strategy used in real battle or a very cunning ninja assassin plot. I know I am watching a show in which dead are reanimated and in which fire breathing creatures live and where a magical wall has stood for years. I do not complain about each and everything that show is throwing upon us. I already expect they would. They have to show honour, courage etc etc.. And here goes again the terminally stupid argument: "if there are dragons and zombies, then why should anything make sense". This show is for idiots only.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 29, 2019 7:01:54 GMT
It depends on what you expect of the show. I for one know that I am not watching a documentary where they will show some strategy used in real battle or a very cunning ninja assassin plot. I know I am watching a show in which dead are reanimated and in which fire breathing creatures live and where a magical wall has stood for years. I do not complain about each and everything that show is throwing upon us. I already expect they would. They have to show honour, courage etc etc.. And here goes again the terminally stupid argument: "if there are dragons and zombies, then why should anything make sense". This show is for idiots only. It all makes sense. You're just too stupid to fit the pieces together.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 29, 2019 7:05:27 GMT
It depends on what you expect of the show. I for one know that I am not watching a documentary where they will show some strategy used in real battle or a very cunning ninja assassin plot. I know I am watching a show in which dead are reanimated and in which fire breathing creatures live and where a magical wall has stood for years. I do not complain about each and everything that show is throwing upon us. I already expect they would. They have to show honour, courage etc etc.. And here goes again the terminally stupid argument: "if there are dragons and zombies, then why should anything make sense". This show is for idiots only. Considering how you are dedicated to it, you might be correct afterall.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 29, 2019 7:19:15 GMT
And here goes again the terminally stupid argument: "if there are dragons and zombies, then why should anything make sense". This show is for idiots only. Considering how you are dedicated to it, you might be correct afterall. Discussing what idiots like is an enlightening thing.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 29, 2019 7:22:58 GMT
"Hey Theon, instead of charging madly at the Night King, just stand behind me for two seconds and wait for Arya. You don't have to die." -not the Three-Eyed Raven It depends on what you expect of the show. I for one know that I am not watching a documentary where they will show some strategy used in real battle or a very cunning ninja assassin plot. I know I am watching a show in which dead are reanimated and in which fire breathing creatures live and where a magical wall has stood for years. I do not complain about each and everything that show is throwing upon us. I already expect they would. They have to show honour, courage etc etc.. I don't think you need Sun Tzi to point out anything I said. And I don't think a fantastical plot means character logic goes out the window. Let the record show that unlike Lord of the Red Keep, I'm otherwise a fan of the show.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 29, 2019 7:25:17 GMT
“Theon, you’re a good man. Thank you”~ Three-eyed Raven Now if he could only learn to talk to girls, Meera could have used more than just a thank you.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 29, 2019 7:37:29 GMT
It depends on what you expect of the show. I for one know that I am not watching a documentary where they will show some strategy used in real battle or a very cunning ninja assassin plot. I know I am watching a show in which dead are reanimated and in which fire breathing creatures live and where a magical wall has stood for years. I do not complain about each and everything that show is throwing upon us. I already expect they would. They have to show honour, courage etc etc.. I don't think you need Sun Tzi to point out anything I said. And I don't think a fantastical plot means character logic goes out the window. Let the record show that unlike Lord of the Red Keep, I'm otherwise a fan of the show. He didn't do something that made no logic whatsoever. First, you got to consider that he had already used all his arrows. There were quite a few Walkers. Should he have let them come directly near Bran he would have been cramped for space and definitely not been able to protect him in a small space against so many. He probably thought he could get a kill to change the situation.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 29, 2019 7:53:29 GMT
I don't think you need Sun Tzi to point out anything I said. And I don't think a fantastical plot means character logic goes out the window. Let the record show that unlike Lord of the Red Keep, I'm otherwise a fan of the show. He didn't do something that made no logic whatsoever. First, you got to consider that he had already used all his arrows. There were quite a few Walkers. Should he have let them come directly near Bran he would have been cramped for space and definitely not been able to protect him in a small space against so many. He probably thought he could get a kill to change the situation. It only makes no sense if you know Arya will get the kill. Theon didn't. We have no proof that Bran did. Even if Bran did, it's possible Theon's death was necessary to give the White Walkers to drop their guard. For all the complaining the fake lion does about the show being dumbed down, he sure has a hard time filling in the blanks when the show isn't.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 29, 2019 7:57:46 GMT
I don't think you need Sun Tzi to point out anything I said. And I don't think a fantastical plot means character logic goes out the window. Let the record show that unlike Lord of the Red Keep, I'm otherwise a fan of the show. He didn't do something that made no logic whatsoever. First, you got to consider that he had already used all his arrows. There were quite a few Walkers. Should he have let them come directly near Bran he would have been cramped for space and definitely not been able to protect him in a small space against so many. He probably thought he could get a kill to change the situation. He knew he had no chance and basically killed himself. Director or whoever said as much after the episode. And I'm talking about Bran here, who likes to play fast and loose with his clairvoyance.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 29, 2019 8:14:33 GMT
He didn't do something that made no logic whatsoever. First, you got to consider that he had already used all his arrows. There were quite a few Walkers. Should he have let them come directly near Bran he would have been cramped for space and definitely not been able to protect him in a small space against so many. He probably thought he could get a kill to change the situation. He knew he had no chance and basically killed himself. Director or whoever said as much after the episode. And I'm talking about Bran here, who likes to play fast and loose with his clairvoyance. Does Bran make any sense to anyone?
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Post by Marendil on Apr 29, 2019 8:41:34 GMT
He didn't do something that made no logic whatsoever. First, you got to consider that he had already used all his arrows. There were quite a few Walkers. Should he have let them come directly near Bran he would have been cramped for space and definitely not been able to protect him in a small space against so many. He probably thought he could get a kill to change the situation. He knew he had no chance and basically killed himself. Director or whoever said as much after the episode. And I'm talking about Bran here, who likes to play fast and loose with his clairvoyance. Does he have clairvoyance? For some reason I got that impression too, but trying to think where I got that idea I drew a blank. Jojun Reed had clairvoyance but he couldn't see past his own death IIRC and it doesn't mean Bran ever got it.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 29, 2019 9:38:42 GMT
He knew he had no chance and basically killed himself. Director or whoever said as much after the episode. And I'm talking about Bran here, who likes to play fast and loose with his clairvoyance. Does he have clairvoyance? For some reason I got that impression too, but trying to think where I got that idea I drew a blank. Jojun Reed had clairvoyance but he couldn't see past his own death IIRC and it doesn't mean Bran ever got it. Well, he's always implying he knows the future. And the fact that he's the one that gave Arya the dagger cements to me that he knew what would happen.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 29, 2019 9:52:01 GMT
Does he have clairvoyance? For some reason I got that impression too, but trying to think where I got that idea I drew a blank. Jojun Reed had clairvoyance but he couldn't see past his own death IIRC and it doesn't mean Bran ever got it. Well, he's always implying he knows the future. And the fact that he's the one that gave Arya the dagger cements to me that he knew what would happen. The fact he was a cripple and knew Arya was an assassin was reason enough to give her the dagger. When did he say something that implied he knew the future which couldn't be interpreted differently? The only type of things I can think of are like when he asked Jaime what made him think there was a future which could just be dramatizing just how dire their situation appeared.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 29, 2019 9:58:22 GMT
Well, he's always implying he knows the future. And the fact that he's the one that gave Arya the dagger cements to me that he knew what would happen. The fact he was a cripple and knew Arya was an assassin was reason enough to give her the dagger. When did he say something that implied he knew the future which couldn't be interpreted differently? The only type of things I can think of are like when he asked Jaime what made him think there was a future which could just be dramatizing just how dire their situation appeared. Back when he first started having his visions he saw Ned's death before it happened. But that was just visions, and he didn't know what it meant. He also knew Jamie would be coming to Winterfell. But he obviously didn't know when, or he wouldn't have had to wait outside for so long.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 29, 2019 10:12:16 GMT
Does he have clairvoyance? For some reason I got that impression too, but trying to think where I got that idea I drew a blank. Jojun Reed had clairvoyance but he couldn't see past his own death IIRC and it doesn't mean Bran ever got it. Well, he's always implying he knows the future. And the fact that he's the one that gave Arya the dagger cements to me that he knew what would happen. Did Joffrey's dagger play a role in the end? Good boy. I knew he would make himself useful, somehow
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Post by Marendil on Apr 29, 2019 10:19:26 GMT
The fact he was a cripple and knew Arya was an assassin was reason enough to give her the dagger. When did he say something that implied he knew the future which couldn't be interpreted differently? The only type of things I can think of are like when he asked Jaime what made him think there was a future which could just be dramatizing just how dire their situation appeared. Back when he first started having his visions he saw Ned's death before it happened. But that was just visions, and he didn't know what it meant. He also knew Jamie would be coming to Winterfell. But he obviously didn't know when, or he wouldn't have had to wait outside for so long. True, so did Rickon come to think of it. He also saw the 'sea' flooding Winterfell which presaged Theon's attack.
Brynden Rivers, who was Bran's predecessor as the Three-Eyed Raven was a master strategist and manipulator in King's Landing before he took the Black. I got the impression he'd sent those visions and as he could 'see' events too and ought to be able to interpret their meaning he could have realized what Ned's likely fate was and, much easier, see what Theon was planning. However I agree that a primitive precognition is suggested by that, oddly enough though it was something he shared with Rickon and could do before he became the Three-Eyed Raven.
I doubt we'll get a much better explanation here. Sigh.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 29, 2019 11:20:19 GMT
Does he have clairvoyance? For some reason I got that impression too, but trying to think where I got that idea I drew a blank. Jojun Reed had clairvoyance but he couldn't see past his own death IIRC and it doesn't mean Bran ever got it. Well, he's always implying he knows the future. And the fact that he's the one that gave Arya the dagger cements to me that he knew what would happen. I don;t think he implies this. I think the main thing is - He can see the present through warging - He can see the past (In the books I thought this was in connection to the trees, but that doesn't seem to be the case in the show. Of course he could perhaps see the future as well in the books. Not sure. ) - He knows the Night King is coming Those were the important things to the story.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 29, 2019 11:20:33 GMT
I'm glad he's dead.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 29, 2019 11:29:50 GMT
He knew he had no chance and basically killed himself. Director or whoever said as much after the episode. And I'm talking about Bran here, who likes to play fast and loose with his clairvoyance. Does Bran make any sense to anyone? not to me at this point he is becoming more creepy than the NK , he just sits there in his chair giving this one liners scaring characters i asked this in another thread dont think i got an answer but it looked to me early on when battle began i think he warged into the NK?? i saw the nk eyes and they looked different they were some ravens or crows there too but i couldn't tell what was going on , and why did he let theon die? couldn't he just warg into the NK and have him commit suicide ??
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 29, 2019 17:14:15 GMT
Does Bran make any sense to anyone? not to me at this point he is becoming more creepy than the NK , he just sits there in his chair giving this one liners scaring characters i asked this in another thread dont think i got an answer but it looked to me early on when battle began i think he warged into the NK?? i saw the nk eyes and they looked different they were some ravens or crows there too but i couldn't tell what was going on , and why did he let theon die? couldn't he just warg into the NK and have him commit suicide ?? No. He couldn't. He has warged into animals and Hodor. There is no indication that he can warg into anyone at anytime.
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