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Post by CrepedCrusader on Apr 18, 2019 21:27:59 GMT
It seems like that the newest pastime of TLJ detractors is to point to things in the Rise of Skywalker trailer, or to things that J.J. has said, as "proof" that he is retconning TLJ. Here are a couple of those examples that I believe DON'T count as retconning.
1) Kylo fixing his helmet: Ken Napzok put my thoughts perfectly into words on today's Jedi Collider Council. Han told Kylo to take off his helmet, and he did. Snoke shamed Kylo for wearing the helmet, and he destroyed it in a fit of rage. But they're both gone now, and Kylo is the one who killed them. Rebuilding the helmet isn't a retcon, but character evolution. Kylo doesn't care what other people think of him and his mask anymore; he's the boss now, and he's going to do what he wants to do.
2) Rey's parents: In TLJ Kylo tells Rey that her parents are nobody, just a couple of deadbeats who sold her for booze and died in the desert. J.J. has said that there's "more to the story", which some have taken as a retcon. It's worth noting, however, that whenever Rian Johnson has been asked if the story Kylo told Rey about her parents was true, he was always careful to say that Kylo BELIEVED the story was true, which isn't quite the same as saying, "Yep, the story is true". Rian intentionally left the door open to a different truth.
p.s. And no, Luke will not be revealed to still be alive. I'm being your friend here--get the idea that they'e going to be like, "LOL, just foolin', Luke is still alive" out of your head. You are just setting yourself up for disappointment and meltdowns over your "ruined childhood".
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 21, 2019 3:06:29 GMT
2) Rey's parents: In TLJ Kylo tells Rey that her parents are nobody, just a couple of deadbeats who sold her for booze and died in the desert. J.J. has said that there's "more to the story", which some have taken as a retcon. It's worth noting, however, that whenever Rian Johnson has been asked if the story Kylo told Rey about her parents was true, he was always careful to say that Kylo BELIEVED the story was true, which isn't quite the same as saying, "Yep, the story is true". Rian intentionally left the door open to a different truth.omg make it stop... this is George Lucas 1990's all over again.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 23, 2019 18:53:23 GMT
1 Agree. Plus I like that look.
2 What the fuck does Kylo know anyway? If he knew for sure he would have offered proof - "This is what I've learned about your parents..." I think he just told her what he believed to be true, not what he knew for sure. More importantly he may have just been telling her what he hoped would make her join him.
3 Agree. But since Hamill is in the cast it will be interesting to see how they use him (and how much). Force ghost is the obvious bet, but I wonder if it wont be something else too. Flashback? I always thought SW wouldn't do flashbacks, but TFA kinda did it, and TLJ definitely did it, so...
I just hope we see Knight of Ren.
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Post by leesilm on May 6, 2019 23:04:48 GMT
I definitely agree about the Rey-parentage. No one died and made Krybaby Ren omnipotent god of all things Jedi. He thinks he knows her past (be it that Snoke told him, or he misread a Force-vision, whatever) and he pretty obviously intended to manipulate Rey any way he could. So he may have suspected a few things, filled in blanks with guesses of his own or with convenient guesses, and used that to basically tell Rey, "You've got nobody, you are nobody, but you could have me and you could be somebody at my side". And Rey seems to have believed him, or at least lost some of her hope that these sweet, kind, loving parents who lost her, will find her and come back for her to give her all the love she's been missing for all these years... she's beginning to truly face that her parents are never coming back, that she may not have been wanted, and that her parents may not be the angelic people she pictured in her dreams on Jakku.
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Post by ryboto on May 7, 2019 12:20:55 GMT
It's not interesting...so why do you care so much? It's much more fun to look at how awful the ST is.
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