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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 25, 2019 23:26:01 GMT
And as for the rest: The Blair Witch Project sold itself as real footage. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre sold itself as true events. Friday the 13th pt 3 sold itself on 3D, as did Jaws 3-D. Horror has been selling itself on a gimmick for decades. So, plot?
Blair Witch was gimmicky crap--the advertising budget was like 100 x the budget. Texas Chainsaw was regional horror--it can at least claim the idea of Leatherface was an innovative creation so plot related selling point--Friday the 13th is hardly the grand example of the genre. Jaws 3d was a well worn franchise and part of the mass market big studio system. It had an expensive mechanical shark-what did Halloween 2018 have? A senior citizen killer.
Try making a comparison to horror prior to 1973 if you want to see the stronger contrast between now and then.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 6:52:08 GMT
I love lighthouses as settings 👍
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 26, 2019 13:23:52 GMT
And as for the rest: The Blair Witch Project sold itself as real footage. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre sold itself as true events. Friday the 13th pt 3 sold itself on 3D, as did Jaws 3-D. Horror has been selling itself on a gimmick for decades. So, plot?
Blair Witch was gimmicky crap--the advertising budget was like 100 x the budget. Texas Chainsaw was regional horror--it can at least claim the idea of Leatherface was an innovative creation so plot related selling point--Friday the 13th is hardly the grand example of the genre. Jaws 3d was a well worn franchise and part of the mass market big studio system. It had an expensive mechanical shark-what did Halloween 2018 have? A senior citizen killer.
Try making a comparison to horror prior to 1973 if you want to see the stronger contrast between now and then.
I did. I pointed out the Universal Horror series from the 30's - 50's. Horror was mainstream and gimmicky. And we can go as far back as The Phantom of the Opera, which used a color gimmick for the ballroom scene.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 26, 2019 13:24:12 GMT
I love lighthouses as settings 👍 Indeed. Should be an interesting premise.
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 26, 2019 14:29:41 GMT
I did. I pointed out the Universal Horror series from the 30's - 50's. Horror was mainstream and gimmicky. And we can go as far back as The Phantom of the Opera, which used a color gimmick for the ballroom scene. But it wasn't the only selling point. The plot and visuals (and Chaney) mattered much more. In the case of the Witch, the film was marketed as a quasi-horror, quasi-arthouse film (and we know how much the public has always loved arthouse--it doesn't). Personally I think the Universal horror phase is pretty weak. Both Dracula and Frankenstein deviate from the sources. No wonder Hammer has a stronger fan reputation without the big budget support.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 26, 2019 14:49:46 GMT
I did. I pointed out the Universal Horror series from the 30's - 50's. Horror was mainstream and gimmicky. And we can go as far back as The Phantom of the Opera, which used a color gimmick for the ballroom scene. But it wasn't the only selling point. The plot and visuals (and Chaney) mattered much more. In the case of the Witch, the film was marketed as a quasi-horror, quasi-arthouse film (and we know how much the public has always loved arthouse--it doesn't). Personally I think the Universal horror phase is pretty weak. Both Dracula and Frankenstein deviate from the sources. No wonder Hammer has a stronger fan reputation without the big budget support.
And the visuals will be a big part of The Lighthouse, hence the use of old cameras. Whether the movies deviate from the source is irrelevant. The Universal movies were mainstream and successful. Plus, Hammer deviated far more than Universal. And their selling point was gore and sex, hardly plot laden. As for reputation, but Universal and Hammer have equal fan reputation.
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 26, 2019 16:53:16 GMT
And the visuals will be a big part of The Lighthouse, hence the use of old cameras. Whether the movies deviate from the source is irrelevant. The Universal movies were mainstream and successful. Plus, Hammer deviated far more than Universal. And their selling point was gore and sex, hardly plot laden. As for reputation, but Universal and Hammer have equal fan reputation. No-the selling point IS the old cameras--that's why they did an article on it and not the plot.
The deviations can matter-like Warner Bros version of Moby Dick where Ahab kills the whale and goes home. Misses the entire point. In the 1931 Dracula, the old guy kills Dracula off screen and hes never presented as anything more than a sinister Valentino. The Hammer film made him into a demon and let's Van Helsing do heroic stuff to defeat him. The average Hammer script was more traditional than the Universal ones. And they lacked the mainstream marketing that Universal had.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 3, 2019 23:57:59 GMT
Just started The Witch on Netflix—first time seeing it. I really like it so far, I’ll chime in with my thoughts afterwards. There’s a thread for it, right? I’ll put my thoughts there.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 5, 2019 2:14:16 GMT
As mentioned above, I saw The Witch last night—and absolutely loved it. So I’m very much looking forward to this, and those images look great.
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 20, 2019 14:12:13 GMT
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 18, 2019 14:05:02 GMT
Wonder if the recent Pattinson news will raise the profile of this film.
I can just see the comic book guys and twilight girls going to see this bizarre art film and being massively confused and pissed off.
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