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Post by bud47 on Jul 9, 2019 19:48:13 GMT
Don't forget: Read my website. The X-Men movies are fantastic and excellent, and their timeline has been finally explained. Nobody cares but you dude. Give it up.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 9, 2019 19:50:20 GMT
Don't forget: Read my website. The X-Men movies are fantastic and excellent, and their timeline has been finally explained. Nobody cares but you dude. Give it up. Why are you even on this thread?
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Post by bud47 on Jul 9, 2019 19:54:08 GMT
Nobody cares but you dude. Give it up. Why are you even on this thread? Just bumping the thread again for Supperhero, in case he gets tired.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 9, 2019 22:40:27 GMT
Why are you even on this thread? Just bumping the thread again for Supperhero, in case he gets tired. Good job! Well done.
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Post by bud47 on Jul 10, 2019 1:10:47 GMT
Just bumping the thread again for Supperhero, in case he gets tired. Good job! Well done. You're welcome! Don't want all that hard work to go to waste.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 10, 2019 10:06:55 GMT
You're welcome! Don't want all that hard work to go to waste. Proper and legit, buddy.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 31, 2019 0:40:19 GMT
My timeline is still the way to go.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 30, 2019 0:30:38 GMT
Any feedback?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 31, 2019 16:14:24 GMT
No - there is no feedback. Your timeline is finally finished - celebrate.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 31, 2019 19:30:48 GMT
No - there is no feedback. Your timeline is finally finished - celebrate. Okay. Champagne!
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Post by dazz on Nov 2, 2019 13:26:53 GMT
Prime
A few issues, why is Emma 2 a clone? she didn't show psychic abilities from what I recalled in Origins, couldn't she have simply been Emma 1's child? she has her mothers diamond form but not her psychic abilities, this makes more sense imo for a child than a clone, family tend to share similar but not exact mutant powers, so she may have a more powerful diamond form than her mother, just make her a year older, or Emma 1 didn't die when they thought she did but later after giving birth, or after Emma's death they quickly saw she was carrying and used some sort of artificial womb to birth the new Emma.
Last Stands young Jean scenes are set 20 years in the past, X1 is stated as taking place in the near future, the near future from 2000, meaning these scenes would be in the 1980's not 1979, and Jean would be older, you actually got the maths wrong on this 67-79 is 12 years at most, Jean couldn't be born in 67 and be 13 in 79, she'd be 11/12, and aren't Jean and Scott the same age anyway?
If Young Jean scenes in X3 are set in 1979 20 years in the past how are the Angel scenes set 10 years later happening in 1991?
Other issues are why is Xavier using recently escaped prisoner and supposed Presidential assassin Magneto to recruit Jean? surely Jean's antics attracted some attention from the government what with her knowing she can levitate an entire street of cars and water, wouldn't they maybe notice holy shit that's Magneto? seems very off.
How exactly does the dude from The Wolverine track Logan to where he was after such short a time? wouldn't he have found him more likely living at the X-Mansion for the better part of a decade instead of in the wilderness of the Yukon for at most a couple of years? Even in an X-Men movie that's a bit of a stretch, Logan living out there for longer makes it more reasonable, also more likely he took off sooner rather than later after Jean's death.
Why is Scott not dead? he doesn't show up again in the normal timeline does he or have I forgotten something here?
Moira 2 thing is still just odd, she could literally be any relation, or not, she could be adopted, married into the family, literally anything.
Sigma
Any event prior to DOFP should still happen in this timeline and vice versa, changes only should happen during and after this time.
Why does Jean develop powers far earlier in this timeline?
Again Scott & Jean are meant to be the same age right? or does legal adult Scott Summers getting all horned up over 15/16 year old Jean not seem like an issue some may have?
Why does Wolverine become an X-Man 2 years earlier, how is this even established?
When does Jean return?
When/Why does Xavier take back over control of the school?
How do the X-Men find and recruit new mutants without Xavier or Jean to use Cerebro? How does everyone introduced in X1-3 as main characters still exist perfectly as they were in this new timeline? Did the changes DOFP set into motion not alter the sexual escapades of any of the dozens of people that had to get down to fucking to reproduce all those mutant babies?
Overall
Makes more sense than the Shaw theory I give you that, but still lots of inconsistencies, wild leaps, turning a blind eye to various things imo, but you know better atleast.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 2, 2019 16:03:57 GMT
According to paper reports in DOFP, Emma died in 1963 - while Emma looks at least 18/19 in 1983. Maybe Emma 2 will display telepathy later in life? Why not.
Few minutes ago, I moved X1 and X2 in 1998, and TLS in 1999. "Future" from the First Class world perspective and point of view (I know, it's a retcon). That scene is firmly placed in 1979. It makes sense, since she obviously looks 13, while in "Apocalypse" she is 17. Scott is 18.
Right. I moved the Young Warren scene in 1989.
Well, I think Xavier had totally rehabilitated Erik in his mind, at that point. The Dallas Event was a way to frame Magneto, he was 100% innocent. I guess Xavier felt he was more safe with having Erik along with him... the X-Men did not exist yet.
Well, we don't know how it worked. I guess the dude did not need Wolvie yet, and Wolvie was an accomplished X-Man at that point anyway. I guess people were afraid of the X-Men, no matter what.
Fan fiction from my part, but: the "Logan" universe was largely based on Timeline Prime of the mainstream universe, and Scott showed up in the comic books Logan was reading, so maybe Cyclops was still alive in Timeline Prime as well.
Maybe she didn't. Maybe that happened in Timeline Prime too. Said that, she was the little girl watching the stadium levitating in the air in DOFP.
In 1983, Scott was 18, Jean was 17.
Bishop, Blink, Sunspot and Warpath are nowhere to be seen in the Timeline Sigma 2023. Storm's life may have been vastly different in Timeline Sigma, see "Apocalypse".
Time is a river... so I guess they were born anyway. Piotr, Rogue, Kitty and so on.
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Post by dazz on Nov 2, 2019 17:42:38 GMT
According to paper reports in DOFP, Emma died in 1963 - while Emma looks at least 18/19 in 1983. Maybe Emma 2 will display telepathy later in life? Why not. Few minutes ago, I moved X1 and X2 in 1998, and TLS in 1999. "Future" from the First Class world perspective and point of view (I know, it's a retcon). That scene is firmly placed in 1979. It makes sense, since she obviously looks 13, while in "Apocalypse" she is 17. Scott is 18. Right. I moved the Young Warren scene in 1989. Well, I think Xavier had totally rehabilitated Erik in his mind, at that point. The Dallas Event was a way to frame Magneto, he was 100% innocent. I guess Xavier felt he was more safe with having Erik along with him... the X-Men did not exist yet. Well, we don't know how it worked. I guess the dude did not need Wolvie yet, and Wolvie was an accomplished X-Man at that point anyway. I guess people were afraid of the X-Men, no matter what. Fan fiction from my part, but: the "Logan" universe was largely based on Timeline Prime of the mainstream universe, and Scott showed up in the comic books Logan was reading, so maybe Cyclops was still alive in Timeline Prime as well. Maybe she didn't. Maybe that happened in Timeline Prime too. Said that, she was the little girl watching the stadium levitating in the air in DOFP. In 1983, Scott was 18, Jean was 17. Bishop, Blink, Sunspot and Warpath are nowhere to be seen in the Timeline Sigma 2023. Storm's life may have been vastly different in Timeline Sigma, see "Apocalypse". Time is a river... so I guess they were born anyway. Piotr, Rogue, Kitty and so on. Still doesn't explain the clone thing, I mean really what makes more sense she's a clone of Emma despite not looking exactly like her *nitpick I know but *, doesn't have the same exact powers and needed to be kidnapped by the same people who engineered her creation or she's Emma's daughter through a surrogate unbeknownst to Emma and her family?
One thing I feel is you take some very large and extreme leaps when smaller ones make more sense, this for instance, cloning seems to be relatively new even by Logan's time period let alone 50+ years earlier, a surrogate birth makes more sense imo and explains the abilities difference without needing to assume the character simply develops more powers later on.
If Jean is meant to be 13 then it the year would be 1980/1 not 1979, again if she is born in 67' she would at the oldest only be 12, not 13, but she could be 13 in either 80 or 81' depending on her exact DOB, this is a simple case of your maths not adding up.
Where have you gotten Scott's DOB from because without it honestly it makes more sense for him to be born in 67 along with Jean, as his powers manifesting when he's 18 seems odd, it usually happens earlier.
Apparently Origins is set in 1979 not 83, which Scott being either 16 or 18 would place is DOB in 61' or 63'...god damn Origins this is why we cannot have a nice timeline, also makes Scott almost 40 by the time of X1 when the actor wasn't even 30 yet, god damn Origins, Brightside means Emma 2 could actually be Emma 1's daughter no need for any fancy cloning or surrogate pregnancies yay, still god damn Origins, can you tell I hate this film?
The Magneto thing doesn't quite work as an answer to what I said, also doesn't work to what you said, if Magneto was 100% rehabilitated *temporarily, that naughty little Magneto*, why would he feel more...never mind I just reread what you said, Xavier feels safer having Magneto with him as back up, not safer taking Magneto with him rather than leaving him to his own vices, got yah, but still yeah we know Magneto didn't kill JFK but the government don't know that, and shouldn't Jean's antics arouse government scrutiny, making taking Magneto seems like Xavier is asking for trouble imo.
Do people even know who Logan is at the start of The Wolverine? the issue I have being it makes more sense Logan to bail on the team sooner rather than later and having spent longer in the wilderness, possibly creating a legend of the mountain man in that area, rather than him sticking around for the better part of a decade with the X-Men before randomly being overwrought with grief so he takes off, probably traveling around a while before ending up where he did then staying there for a longer time living in isolation.
Fair enough about Scott, though as Logan said those comics were bullshit, stuff like that probably being one of the things he hates about them.
Jean must have developed powers earlier otherwise Xavier would have found her right? Xavier's powers aren't fully gone, so when the serum wears off from time to time he would likely be able to sense her, them both being extremely powerful telepaths and all.
The time is a river thing works in reverse though, closer to the divergence point the larger the alterations to time, Iceman, Rogue, Colossus are more likely not to be born than Bishop, Blink & Sunspot due to how their birth's are closer to the epicentre of a major temporal shift, as well as a major event caused due to this shift in the events of Apocalypse.
I still find it funny how clearly the timelines make no sense though when we don't try to retcon stuff out, like Scott & Storm and Jean I guess were all seen by Xavier as children during the initial Cerebro test drive, all being near their teens in 1962 but then only being 16-18 in 1983, I mean aging slows during adulthood for mutants is one thing, taking 21 years to go from pre-teen to teen is fucking ridiculous.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 2, 2019 19:59:03 GMT
She was USED as a way to control Kayla Silverfox. That was a major plotpoint of ORIGINS. And she had not developed telepathy yet. She was 18. Emma Frost in FC was aprox. 30.
Technology in the X-Men Universe was very advanced and has been that way since the sixties. Have your forgotten the post-credits scene of "Apocalypse"? Or the Sentinels in 1973?
"Dark Phoenix" canonically established her being 8 in 1975.
Scott looked adult in ORIGINS and sure as hell he was doing his last year of high school. Don't forget the range of time between him and his MUCH older brother Alex. Let's cut that a little bit.
It's established on-screen that the infamous 3 Mile Island Incident already happened years before. 1983 has been canonically established by Timeline Sigma, and I would say that it's a good reference point for Timeline Prime too.
Since "The Last Stand" (1999), X-Men have been very active. They also fought Magneto again (as mentioned in DOFP). I would say that Logan retired in 2006, two years before the main events of "The Wolverine" (2008), and the dude found him in some mysterious way, not because Wolvie had a "legendary fame" as loneman. Probably, at that point, the X-Men were famous, and Wolverine was recognizable - no matter what.
At that point, in Timeline Prime, he was still undecided about opening up the School (again) and create the X-Men. And he reconciled with Magneto only in the late seventies.
In X-Men comic books, no matter how many times you alter the X-Men timeline, they ALL exist. See "Age of Apocalypse".
We can assume that the girl WAS indeed Ororo/Storm, and she was 2 years old in 1962. The other two were two looklikes.
I have a question for you:
In my timeline, Quicksilver died in 1975 or 1976 because Stryker's agenda, and that's why DOFP Wolverine knew about him. We can assume that he has been cloned by Stryker at least 13 years before 1983 (1970), and the clone became an X-Man in the Nineties. That would also explain why Quicksilver was so isolated and alienated in 1973.
Curiously enough, if you read the files of 'Project WideAwake' in X2, you can read TWO Maximoffs and TWO Cassidys listed on the computer. Originals + clones. Perfect, I would say.
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Post by dazz on Nov 2, 2019 21:00:41 GMT
She was USED as a way to control Kayla Silverfox. That was a major plotpoint of ORIGINS. And she had not developed telepathy yet. She was 18. Emma Frost in FC was aprox. 30. Technology in the X-Men Universe was very advanced and has been that way since the sixties. Have your forgotten the post-credits scene of "Apocalypse"? Or the Sentinels in 1973? "Dark Phoenix" canonically established her being 8 in 1975. Scott looked adult in ORIGINS and sure as hell he was doing his last year of high school. Don't forget the range of time between him and his MUCH older brother Alex. Let's cut that a little bit. It's established on-screen that the infamous 3 Mile Island Incident already happened years before. 1983 has been canonically established by Timeline Sigma, and I would say that it's a good reference point for Timeline Prime too. Since "The Last Stand" (1999), X-Men have been very active. They also fought Magneto again (as mentioned in DOFP). I would say that Logan retired in 2006, two years before the main events of "The Wolverine" (2008), and the dude found him in some mysterious way, not because Wolvie had a "legendary fame" as loneman. Probably, at that point, the X-Men were famous, and Wolverine was recognizable - no matter what. At that point, in Timeline Prime, he was still undecided about opening up the School (again) and create the X-Men. And he reconciled with Magneto only in the late seventies. In X-Men comic books, no matter how many times you alter the X-Men timeline, they ALL exist. See "Age of Apocalypse". We can assume that the girl WAS indeed Ororo/Storm, and she was 2 years old in 1962. The other two were two looklikes. I have a question for you:In my timeline, Quicksilver died in 1975 or 1976 because Stryker's agenda, and that's why DOFP Wolverine knew about him. We can assume that he has been cloned by Stryker at least 13 years before 1983 (1970), and the clone became an X-Man in the Nineties. That would also explain why Quicksilver was so isolated and alienated in 1973. Curiously enough, if you read the files of 'Project WideAwake' in X2, you can read TWO Maximoffs and TWO Cassidys listed on the computer. Originals + clones. Perfect, I would say. You cannot use events from one timeline after a divergence point to establish a vaguely similar situation in another, Origins is set in 1979, Wolverine only just gets his metal upgrade after Striker only just after Striker comes for him again, in Apocalypse we don't know how long Logan has been with Striker, it could have been years at that point, how Logan comes to Striker's attention is very different, he may never have been part of his black ops group in the Sigma timeline, so there is literally nothing to support saying Origins happens in 1983, you have drawn a line of connection out of nothing, in Origins Wolverine escapes immediately after getting infused with adamantium, in Apocalypse he has either been recaptured or never escaped in the first place.
Tech wise doesn't matter, in Logan cloning is a still relatively new endeavour, not something they have been clearly doing for 70 years, and robotics is different to bio-engineering or whatever else cloning could be classified as, and again it makes more sense to not go over the top with the leaps to cover plot holes, Emma 2 being Emma 1's child which fits with the actual timeline without monkeying, or Emma's kid born from harvested eggs from Frost at some point is a lot more reasonable a leap than she's a clone that they then had to kidnap, couldn't they just put a bomb in her neck like they do in Suicide Squad and threaten Silver Fox that way?
Again the Jean age thing is not about the DOB but you not doing the math properly, 67 + 8 = 75, that fits, 67 + 13 = 79 does not, Jean would be 11 to 12 in 79, 12 to 13 in 1980 and 13 to 14 in 81', given the child was 13 going on 14 during this time it makes more sense that the flashback scenes are set in 1981, which fit closer to the actual timeline where the events of X1-3 happen in the near future of 2000.
And again you make a silly logical leap with The Wolverine, how does it make more sense that the guy just finds Logan through mysterious means rather than due to Logan having spurred on a legend in the area, the dudes super rich he could have hired investigators all over the world to find clues about a man like Logan, a man who does not die, fears no threat, can survive any injury, doesn't that make more sense? and again Logan sticking around for a prolonged time makes no sense, the longer he sticks around the more likely Xavier is to return, makes more sense imo Logan lasts about another year maybe 2 before he bails on the X-Men enough time for Magneto to make another run or 2 at shit, but not too long that Xavier couldn't have feasibly recovered enough to return, Logan bailing before Charles return makes more sense as Charles would have helped Logan through the grief and trauma.
Xavier I do not buy just ignoring Jean if he felt her emerging power, even in his low points Charles couldn't just turn a blind eye that badly, as seen in DOFP all he needs is prompting, a small but powerful little girl coming into her powers long before she is mature enough to use them wisely on her own would be such a prompt he wouldn't ignore.
I think you mistake which girl I am referencing as Storm in FC, I mean the clearly pre-teen white/silver haired girl reading/writing in a book or diary, not the little girl getting a check up by the doctor.
As for Quicksilver, yes on the possibly dying part, he may have been a member of Logan's black ops group or something at some time, don't know about the cloning thing, actually apparently in the OT he goes on to break numerous world records in a track and field event which causes athletic competitions to genetically screen and ban mutants from sports events, he supposedly meets Logan later in life not earlier and was being sent to a concentration camp during the DOFP timeline, but nothing indicates he became and X-Man in the 80's or 90's, so saying we can assume he did holds about as much weight as saying we can assume he started dressing in drag and calling himself Petra on the weekends at the local drag bar, actually that's more likely as that's not something people would know or bring up, where as Quicksilver being an X-Man who just happens to die or disappear prior to the events of X1-3 but is never mentioned less so imo.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 2, 2019 22:36:25 GMT
Cyclops is 18 years old in 1983. So Cyclops is the biggest clue, as well as the notion - revealed by Gambit - that Stryker created his headquarters long time after the 3 Mile Island Incident. I moved X1/X2 to 1999, not 1998 anymore, but 15 years since ORIGINS is a rounded up calculation anyway. "Logan" is an alternate dimension. The post-credits scene of "Apocalypse" is set in the mainstream universe. Yes, she's 12, even if the actress was 13 at the time (if memory serves me well). So okay, she's 12 in 1979. TLS is set in 2000, according to my new scenario. 20 years, almost 21. It works. No, I was referring to the Cerebro scene indeed. Yes, it's Storm, let's pretend she's 2/3 years old and she was born in 1960. That makes her 23/24 years old in 1983. The 25 Moments timeline is not canon for me. It doesn't happen on-screen.
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Post by dazz on Nov 3, 2019 2:07:33 GMT
Cyclops is 18 years old in 1983. So Cyclops is the biggest clue, as well as the notion - revealed by Gambit - that Stryker created his headquarters long time after the 3 Mile Island Incident. I moved X1/X2 to 1999, not 1998 anymore, but 15 years since ORIGINS is a rounded up calculation anyway. "Logan" is an alternate dimension. The post-credits scene of "Apocalypse" is set in the mainstream universe. Yes, she's 12, even if the actress was 13 at the time (if memory serves me well). So okay, she's 12 in 1979. TLS is set in 2000, according to my new scenario. 20 years, almost 21. It works. No, I was referring to the Cerebro scene indeed. Yes, it's Storm, let's pretend she's 2/3 years old and she was born in 1960. That makes her 23/24 years old in 1983. The 25 Moments timeline is not canon for me. It doesn't happen on-screen. Jesus Christ none of what you said is right, the 3 mile incident IS the events at the end of Origins, hence it being set in 1979, Striker only uses the nuclear plants as a cover, that's what Gambit says, don't you think people coming in and out of a shut down potentially irradiated due to accident at such a place would draw too much attention? especially considering the other site is active on the island? 1 is real one is false, Striker runs his shit out the fake site and the real run operates as normal as cover.
All Cyclops's age means is he is meant to be 13/14 during Origins, not surprising seeing as that's a common Hollywood thing, cast an adult actor to play a teenagers even if it looks ridiculous.
No Storm is not 2/3 years old do you even know what a toddler looks like? It isn't that that's a school age child at the youngest.
Also Cerebro doesn't locate potential mutants it locates actual mutants, Storm's powers aren't manifested until she's older, most likely the typical period for mutants that tends to be anytime during puberty, girls go through it younger than boys so she could be as young as 8 here, Scott in the same Scene as young as 9, but that's all retconned away because fuck consistency, which even this scene fucks up as that puts Storm & Cyclops at mid 40's in the first movie at the youngest.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 3, 2019 12:34:06 GMT
My niece is 3 years old, and she looks 7. Seriously. We don't age the same. Each of us age differently.
Cinematic Cerebro is different from Comic Book Cerebro.
In X2, Stryker was about to eradicate the entire mutant race via Cerebro 2, and that involved children too.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 3, 2019 12:58:20 GMT
About the clones, that's my personal timeline:
Timeline Prime
1964- Emma Frost/White Queen is killed. 1965- Emma Silverfox is created. 1969- Sean Cassidy/Banshee is killed. 1970- Peter Maximoff's clone is created. 1971- Sean Cassidy's clone is created. 1976- Peter Maximoff/Quicksilver is killed. 1983- The clones are finally freed from Stryker. 1990- The X-Men are formed: Cyclops, Beast, Storm, Jean Grey, Silver Fox, Quicksilver (clone), Banshee (clone).
In TLS, Beast revealed that there have been other teams of X-Men before and that he was part of them; the uniform he was wearing was stated to be a "former X-Man uniform".
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Post by dazz on Nov 3, 2019 12:59:19 GMT
My niece is 3 years old, and she looks 7. Seriously. We don't age the same. Each of us age differently. Cinematic Cerebro is different from Comic Book Cerebro. In X2, Stryker was about to eradicate the entire mutant race via Cerebro 2, and that involved children too. That were active mutants, some kids do manifest their powers early such as Kurt who was born with his mutant abilities, Striker's plan is also fucking stupid, mutants are not like say Inhumans where you kill off all the carriers and that's it, mutants can be born from non mutant hell non X gene carrying parents, that's the point they are a mutation of the human species, similar to I think Donkey's or Mules, if you kill everyone Donkey or Mule in the world then by the next year their will be 10,000 more because it's just a naturally occurring mutation, so Striker's plan is flawed from the outset, let alone thinking it can kill every potential mutant in existence, Striker would have been targeted that way then, HE carries the gene as established in that same movie, males carry the X-Gene that is passed on not women, so Striker has the X-Gene which means he too should be targeted...but he wasn't.
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