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Post by Aj_June on Apr 30, 2019 6:03:59 GMT
Youtube is good for entertainment purposes and educational purposes if the videos are uploaded by qualified people. But it should not be used as a place where you get advice for any health-related issue. Yeah, I've poo-poo'd YouTube completely before over peer reviewed scientific papers and books, but you can find videos by experts giving university lectures or experts doing very qualified explanatory work on YouTube, so that's almost as good as a serious paper. PBS science, for instance, is a great, educational channel with legitimate and serious science. At least in these cases they aren't self editing amateurs, which is 99% of the rest of the channels, and the kind of bullshit that impresses know-nothings like Heeeyyy, Maya, and Erjen. Yes, there are lots of problems with youtube. One problem is that there are propagandists who create videos in which they claim that what they are saying is what scientists claim. But they are usually twisting the words of scientists to suit their agenda or in many instances straight off lying. Sometimes they will seek opinions of computer scientists on evolution and even then twist their words to make their target audience believe their agenda. Many people knowingly pass on these vids as legit and some are simply stupid to not understand that they are being lied.
But there are some good educational videos. Not just at the highest level but even at basic levels. For example, Khan Academy provides many great vids on intermediate level maths, intermediate statistics, basic calculus, simplified master's level finance, and economics. Or commercial educational prep companies such as Kaplan, Wiley and The Princeton Review etc. can put videos of their instructors. Or some universities put recorded classes of their instructors/professors. While these should not be seen as an equivalent of peer review articles they serve well in educating people who simply need to pass exams or get high-level knowledge of a particular field.
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Post by faustus5 on Apr 30, 2019 10:43:20 GMT
But there are some good educational videos. Not just at the highest level but even at basic levels. For example, Khan Academy provides many great vids on intermediate level maths, intermediate statistics, basic calculus, simplified master's level finance, and economics. Or commercial educational prep companies such as Kaplan, Wiley and The Princeton Review etc. can put videos of their instructors. Or some universities put recorded classes of their instructors/professors. While these should not be seen as an equivalent of peer review articles they serve well in educating people who simply need to pass exams or get high-level knowledge of a particular field. That's they key--those are put out by institutions with scholarly reputations to protect and there are many eyes on any product they upload, so you get some editorial protection. I'm not saying there are no amateurs putting out good material on scientific or philosophical subjects--there are. But you'd have to already know a good deal about any subjects they address to be able to tell who understands what they are talking about and who doesn't. The average layperson doesn't know any better.
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 30, 2019 12:00:07 GMT
I have never seen anything on Youtube that needed to be there. I do listen to music on Youtube though from time to time.
People who do not communicate well in text are generally not sufficiently informed to comment on anything. Most learning about the wide world depends primarily on well written text. The notion that videos are the way to go now since computers came along is wrong. The videos are made by people playing with computers but not understanding anything much at all. The videos are a waste of bandwidth since a three minute video has no more information than the words could convey if well written, and would only take a few seconds to read.
Wikipedia can be helpful in presenting the simple facts that are beyond challenge, but that of course does little to solve controversial issues. Where Wikipedia does try to involve itself in controversy it is typically wrong.
A very severe problem lately with trusting "medical science" is that quite much parades as science that is not. How can anyone tell which is the real science and which is financially or politically motivated? You can't unless you are a real scientist yourself. Most people are not capable of science themselves and their notions of medical science and other science are quite obviously mistaken. There is an assumption that somehow the TV will police the matter and ensure only "real" science gets attention. The assumption is wrong. The TV responds to large numbers of people, and if they are wrong then the TV is wrong too.
So yes, it is important to trust "medical science" but no, that won't be easy lately. There is far too much nonsense passing itself off as science. Then too, it is important to remember that most medicine is not "science" in the sense of solid proofs. Quite much must depend on statistical analysis and usually with insufficient and inaccurate surveys. It is not "science" in the sense of ceteris paribus or holding all other factors constant in order to certainly identify one. It is simply not possible to hold all other factors constant. There is far too much room for lurking variables.
If you do believe in "medical science" you can shut up now. No one should care what you think about anything since it is obvious you are not scientists yourselves and not even capable of policing scientists.
As I write this I am quite aware that it will be little help to the people who have the problem the worst since you do not trust me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 12:28:24 GMT
i consult doctors, but i also do my own research online to find out how to best treat the problem and if there is anything i can take or do on my own to help
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Post by drystyx on Apr 30, 2019 15:32:50 GMT
Medical Science should be valid, but the human beings involved are not to be trusted. There are so few that have any objectivity, so few that are honestly into it to help anyone, that those few are silenced by the majority.
This goes both for research scientists and professional doctors. Most are in it to play God. That is human nature. Most doctors are actually trying to weed out humans they think are expendable in their ideal world. In the U.S., if you aren't related to any doctor, you'll only find any real help from the foreign doctors who have no particular interest in which American born families are to survive to collect social security. I've seen enough doctors to know this.
As for medical research, capitalism destroys that. Even if there is a truly decent researcher who doesn't hold a cure for ransom, the corporate leader who obtains the cure will hold it for ransom. Anyone who holds a medical cure or breakthrough for ransom should be executed, even if the information dies with the person. You can't deal with demon possessed devil worshipers. They only bury people deeper and deeper into holes.
But in theory, Medical Science should be valid, and if it was done by a robot with no human control, it would be valid. The problem is that humans would play God in designing the robot, such as designing the robot to work only for a majority of humans, or a special interest group, or more likely for the mob.
So, that is a tough question to answer.
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Post by maya55555 on May 1, 2019 2:53:01 GMT
How to give your doc an "integrity checkup"
So here's what they DON'T want you to do... but what you absolutely MUST DO right now.
Crack open the computer, search Google for "Open Payments" and look for the "search" feature.
Type in your doc's name, and it'll not only tell you how much he or she accepted, but who it was from and what it was for.
You can find out if he accepted gifts of "food and beverage" or "travel" as well as payments for helping promote a drug and ownership stakes in products and companies.
I'm NOT saying every doc who takes a dollar is dirty. But you're entitled to this information so you can make your own decisions about what does and doesn't matter.
Plus, it gives you a chance to ask about it. Which can be especially important if your doc is pushing a drug from a company that you now KNOW is paying him off.
Ask him WHY he's recommending it... HOW it could hurt you... and WHAT other options you have.
And be sure to ask him the most important question of all: What happens if I do nothing?
You'd be surprised at how often the answer is, essentially, not much... because the dirtiest secret of modern pharmaceuticals is that many of the conditions they treat -- from minor infections to skin conditions to stomach problems to pain -- often go away on their own.
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Post by mslo79 on May 1, 2019 7:48:14 GMT
Standard doctors are probably your safest all around bet as a general rule. but I don't trust them TOO much either.
but with that said... I am not a person who's a fan of prescription drugs etc as I think those are best off being avoided unless absolutely necessary as the way I see it some people take one for something and then need another to compensate for the side effects etc and before you know it, your taking a boatload of meds which can't be good for your overall health in the long term.
so as a general rule... the less meds the better as any doctor who does not agree with that general mindset, I simply would not trust, as they are probably more concerned with their $ than the patients health. side note: I am not sure how true it is but I have heard doctors get more $ for prescribing drugs, which if true, is a conflict of interest and makes one trust a doctor that much less right off the start.
also, I, like many others out there, are not a big fan of big pharma as they are motivated by $$$ more than a persons health. hell, you can almost tell their general standards are getting lower as some stuff they advertise on TV even admits it can cause cancer and other serious side effects. like some meds etc advertised on TV... the problem it's attempting to fix is not enough to risk the side effects of some of that crap. or put it this way... I am not a person who would put a whole lot of trust in the average doctor, especially for non-life threatening things.
I tend to avoid going to the doctors in general like I suspect most of us guys do. but thankfully I have had generally good overall health even though I realize that can't last forever but I suspect I should be okay for at least another decade or so.
p.s. for the record... I am not on any meds as I value my health. but back in the day, say my teens, I was briefly on some and they seemed to do more harm than good and that was the end of that BS.
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Post by rizdek on May 1, 2019 8:04:24 GMT
I haven't accessed youtube for medical advice.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 19:48:06 GMT
Without medical science, Catwoman would be dead. Most of us wouldn't even exist without medical science. It's a ridiculous question. Everyone in this thread has benefited from it.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on May 3, 2019 14:21:19 GMT
Without medical science, Catwoman would be dead. Most of us wouldn't even exist without medical science. It's a ridiculous question. Everyone in this thread has benefited from it. Well, you might want to tell that to Heeeyyy, since she was the one touting YouTube videos, though she never did vote in the poll for them!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 14:31:13 GMT
Most of us wouldn't even exist without medical science. It's a ridiculous question. Everyone in this thread has benefited from it. Well, you might want to tell that to Heeeyyy, since she was the one touting YouTube videos, though she never did vote in the poll for them! Heeey's a fuckin' hateful ignorant melodramatic attention whore... she deserves nothing but ridicule.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on May 3, 2019 15:30:42 GMT
Well, you might want to tell that to Heeeyyy, since she was the one touting YouTube videos, though she never did vote in the poll for them! Heeey's a fuckin' hateful ignorant melodramatic attention whore... she deserves nothing but ridicule. Which was the point of this thread. I could have told her that, myself, but I thought a little backup might strengthen my point. And now that I have locked the poll, it will stay as is, to show that NO ONE voted for YouTube.
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Post by lunda2222 on May 6, 2019 10:55:02 GMT
The problem with that question is that Youtube has channels by doctors as well as quacks.
I wouldn't use it as a consulting tool, but I enjoy watching videos such as this:
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on May 6, 2019 14:44:56 GMT
The problem with that question is that Youtube has channels by doctors as well as quacks. I wouldn't use it as a consulting tool, but I enjoy watching videos such as this: LOL! That was fun, seeing Dr. House again; he was a character! My veterinarian of many years admired House just because he could pretty much say what he felt about the humans involved. Vets care for the animals, and sometimes they get pet owners that are idiots. My vet encouraged me to study to be a vet, but I told him I wouldn't be able to resist slamming stupid pet owners up against a wall. He nodded, having had to resist that urge for many years. He agreed the medical part was dramatized for effect, but it was, as the doctor in the video said, a very entertaining show. I got to see a lot of actual medical procedures at the vet's office, because he wasn't bound by patient privacy issues, and academically it was very interesting. He was, and still is, a great diagnostician and surgeon, though he is mostly retired now. Well, there it is - there are videos worth watching on YouTube! Thanks!
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Post by lunda2222 on May 9, 2019 20:26:46 GMT
Well, there it is - there are videos worth watching on YouTube! Thanks! I think it's more a matter of the algorithms Youtube have rather than the content.
Youtube has informative and useful videos about just about everything, but the videos aren't that popular and youtubes algorithm causes the videos about a similar topic that are most popular to come up far more often than anything else.
For example I searched for a video explaining why my cousins dog was showing hostility towards her 5 year old daughter (nothing serious, just growling). Turns out it's because the child was growing larger than the dog which causes the dog to think his position in the pack was threatened. And because the kid didn't understand you shouldn't stare a dog in the eye or pat him on the top of his head (both which a dog sees as challenges).
But the next thing I know the recommended videos are flooded with fluff about dogs reacting to (and protecting) babies for the next week. Adorable videos, but it gets old fast.
If you want informative videos, you need to search for them. And like googling, it's a skill.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on May 9, 2019 21:20:14 GMT
Well, there it is - there are videos worth watching on YouTube! Thanks! I think it's more a matter of the algorithms Youtube have rather than the content.
Youtube has informative and useful videos about just about everything, but the videos aren't that popular and youtubes algorithm causes the videos about a similar topic that are most popular to come up far more often than anything else.
For example I searched for a video explaining why my cousins dog was showing hostility towards her 5 year old daughter (nothing serious, just growling). Turns out it's because the child was growing larger than the dog which causes the dog to think his position in the pack was threatened. And because the kid didn't understand you shouldn't stare a dog in the eye or pat him on the top of his head (both which a dog sees as challenges).
But the next thing I know the recommended videos are flooded with fluff about dogs reacting to (and protecting) babies for the next week. Adorable videos, but it gets old fast.
If you want informative videos, you need to search for them. And like googling, it's a skill.
Thanks for the info, I may just try that. I'm always in search of valid information; adorable fluff, my friends keep me stocked up with that.
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