Post by stargazer1682 on May 3, 2019 3:50:45 GMT
God, pun-flirting?
Here again we have another example of dismissing a possible plot in favor of a cheap joke. I don't know if hunting down a mummy would have been a good episode, even for this show, but I'm interpreting Sara's joke that it would have normally taken them a week to catch the mummy as a wink and a nod that this could have been an episode, but instead they're going to something else; and if the God awful banter between Zari and Nate is any indication, it's going to be stupid.
Augh, fucking book club? As if I couldn't hate Ava more...
It's not so much that I hate book clubs or even reading, I like to read, but this scene demonstrates that Ava is the type of person to give her girlfriend homework.
Remember when Brandon Routh was an actor and given substantial dialog to deliver and scenes to perform? Remember when Ray Palmer had a brain?
I'd pay good money if Ray killed Nate during their bro-hug. Don't care if Ray was taken over by Neron, we wouldn't have to put up with DudeBro-Man anymore.
I like that they're finally doing something with Mick, but seriously this is it? This is all we get? Mick apparently peaked in season 1 with being turned into Chonos.
Sara trying to read then listen to the damn book....
Because there's apparently not enough shit going on we actually have to see getting her homework done. Please tell me it's at least Mick's book?
She knows she's on a time machine, right? I mean, everyone else in this episode seem to have forgotten about it, but I mean if you're going to take the deadline for reading this so seriously, go back in time and come back after you've taken enough time to finish reading it. Hell, you probably don't even need to take the Waverider; just borrow one of those portal deals. She'll either come back 10 years older and turn out to be the author - now there's your fucking episode plot.
Why do they even have the Waverider anymore? Arrow's gone through like 2000 bases in the last seven years; and time travel barely even factors into the Legends' stories anymore. Just blow it up and move somewhere else. They could still get around time just fine without it, but they don't even need it; they've never used time travel effectively and it's barely set dressing now. It just stands a point of contention whenever something serious happens why they don't try to fix it - like the flash forwards on Arrow, or Zari's future (which I realize is technically part and parcel with what Arrow has shown).
Have Constantine rope them into adventures in the House of Mysteries.
Consultation prize, Ray kills Gary, then we find out he's Ray's long lest 5th cousin, Ray is beside himself; Neron takes over and Brandon Routh finally gets to act like he has balls again.
Why doesn't Ray just tell anybody what's happening? Why would he think some sort of scientific serum could help him with a demon trying to possess him? Does he think Neron is an STD? That he got in his hand? Did Ray recognize Dez from a wild night during shore leave?
Anyone else reminded of Bruce Banner when Ray was injecting himself with, what I only assume was barbicide, that stuff barbers soak their combs combs and scissors in?
Augh, again with these pointless bullshit stories that go nowhere. Why the hell press Sara about book club and not clue her to the fact that she didn't actually expect her to read the book? I'm not even deleting my part about Ava giving Sara homework, because she still essentially did - and she's absolutely the sort of character who would do that - only to turn around and say she didn't mean it. Fuck you Ava, and fuck this stupid C story were did not need.
Well, at least they bothered explaining why Ray didn't try telling anyone, but still seems like a cheat.
I get being an actor is hard and you take the jobs you can get, so I can't blame Amitai Marmorstein for taking the role ("Vincent"), but I still feel kind of bad. I had to look up his name, but just the same I recognized him immediately from the miniseries "Unspeakable," about the tainted blood crisis of the 70s and 80s and he did some good work in that. Here's hoping for better work comes his way.
Okay, if someone were putting up a good chunk of money for a reclusive author to attend a convention and reveal their identity, wouldn't there be some sort of extensive vetting of that person to prove who they really are? They wouldn't have been able to just show up and say,"it's me" and collect a check, even if they did do a Q&A. I mean, Charlie probably wouldn't have been the only person trying to claim the money.
And how did Mick write all these books with his hunt and peck style of typing?
My God, why am I giving this D story so much thought?
I honestly thought Constantine was written out of the episode, otherwise why not have him appear sooner? Oh, because there wouldn't have been time for the rest of the stuff that happened in the episode? Yeah, that'd be a shame....
Did we need Nora revived just for Constantine to learn about Ray? I mean, Gary figured it out. Gary. How hard can it be? Just another plot point that was made out to be a big deal, but really just took a prolonged nap.
Jesus Christ, just how often does Ray enter a room through a plume of flames that Nate is so nonchalant about his entrance to think something unusual is going on?
So about these rules for Neron to posses Nate; what difference would it have made if Nate had been killed, either before or after the deal, versus Ray giving in? Had Nate been stabbed before Ray gave up, yes it would have been Ray's hand, but he's clearly not in control of it; so had the hand stabbed Nate and killed him, that would mean that Neron successfully manipulated the hand and overrode Ray's will, meaning Neron would have killed Nate. Never mind that Neron could also make stuff fly about the room, like summoning the knife to Ray's hand, so why not Jedi that thing straight into Nate's back? It's literally the same effect. Either way, it's not really Ray, it's Neron taking the action; it's like a bully slapping your with your own hand saying, "why are you hitting yourself?" And once Neron had Ray, why not kill Nate anyway? How are demons honor bound to keep their word? I'm pretty sure that's not eve a thing; if anything the convention would be demons and the like to double cross people they make deals with; or exploit technicalities and loopholes to screw them over and do whatever they want.
I suppose the whole thing could have been a ploy and the reality is that Neron never could have murdered anyone; or even if he did, it wouldn't have counted as Ray killing that person if he wasn't in control of the appendage doing the killing. Instead it's all designed to give Ray (or any prospective host) the impression that that someone they care about is going to die by their hand even when they're not; so consequently Ray acquiesces and gives Neron control, which was the objective all along. I'm not sure I'd give the writers enough credit for that though. And here again is another missed opportunity for could have been a psychological thriller if the writers could have made up their damn mind about the story they wanted to tell in this episode. It could have been (easily) carried entirely by Ray, but taking his possession more subtly; starting off with him losing time and mysteries happenstances occurring around him, as Neron plays head games with Ray.
Alternatively, I was also kind of hoping for a fake-out; where after a full episode of Ray being shown to be fighting his possession, as soon as the rest of the team find out what's happening and arrive on the scene, they find him attacking Gary and stop him; only to find out that in that last moment, Neron appeals to Gary's neurosis and jumps from Ray to Gary and take Gary whole. So it was actually really Ray attacking a Neron possessed Gary (or even Ray defending himself from Neron/Gary)
Oh, FFS, a magical flopping nipple? I kind of figured that's what Neron meant when he promised to make him whole, but seriously?
Okay, kind of saw Gary's turn coming. Even said last week how he was probably going to turn out to be a serial killer. Not sure about the half measure, simultaneously possessing Ray and turning Gary evil.
So just like that, Nora goes from prisoner (albeit with book club with the warden privileges) to Time Bureau Agent? Is that how all of them were recruited? Given how things went down between the Bureau and the "legends," I'm inclined to think that's how they recruit all of their agents. I'm going to guess Rip bailed Ava out of jail after she beat a man who used "their" instead of "they're" in a youtube comment.
Zari: "Where doesn't it hurt?"
I bet it doesn't hurt in his pants. Better do a thorough check.
Oh, yeah, the gold egg. I forgot about that.
Zari: "Of course." - Yeah, Zari, my sentiments exactly.
Here again we have another example of dismissing a possible plot in favor of a cheap joke. I don't know if hunting down a mummy would have been a good episode, even for this show, but I'm interpreting Sara's joke that it would have normally taken them a week to catch the mummy as a wink and a nod that this could have been an episode, but instead they're going to something else; and if the God awful banter between Zari and Nate is any indication, it's going to be stupid.
Augh, fucking book club? As if I couldn't hate Ava more...
It's not so much that I hate book clubs or even reading, I like to read, but this scene demonstrates that Ava is the type of person to give her girlfriend homework.
Remember when Brandon Routh was an actor and given substantial dialog to deliver and scenes to perform? Remember when Ray Palmer had a brain?
I'd pay good money if Ray killed Nate during their bro-hug. Don't care if Ray was taken over by Neron, we wouldn't have to put up with DudeBro-Man anymore.
I like that they're finally doing something with Mick, but seriously this is it? This is all we get? Mick apparently peaked in season 1 with being turned into Chonos.Sara trying to read then listen to the damn book....
Because there's apparently not enough shit going on we actually have to see getting her homework done. Please tell me it's at least Mick's book?
She knows she's on a time machine, right? I mean, everyone else in this episode seem to have forgotten about it, but I mean if you're going to take the deadline for reading this so seriously, go back in time and come back after you've taken enough time to finish reading it. Hell, you probably don't even need to take the Waverider; just borrow one of those portal deals. She'll either come back 10 years older and turn out to be the author - now there's your fucking episode plot.
Why do they even have the Waverider anymore? Arrow's gone through like 2000 bases in the last seven years; and time travel barely even factors into the Legends' stories anymore. Just blow it up and move somewhere else. They could still get around time just fine without it, but they don't even need it; they've never used time travel effectively and it's barely set dressing now. It just stands a point of contention whenever something serious happens why they don't try to fix it - like the flash forwards on Arrow, or Zari's future (which I realize is technically part and parcel with what Arrow has shown).
Have Constantine rope them into adventures in the House of Mysteries.
Consultation prize, Ray kills Gary, then we find out he's Ray's long lest 5th cousin, Ray is beside himself; Neron takes over and Brandon Routh finally gets to act like he has balls again.
Why doesn't Ray just tell anybody what's happening? Why would he think some sort of scientific serum could help him with a demon trying to possess him? Does he think Neron is an STD? That he got in his hand? Did Ray recognize Dez from a wild night during shore leave?
Anyone else reminded of Bruce Banner when Ray was injecting himself with, what I only assume was barbicide, that stuff barbers soak their combs combs and scissors in?
Augh, again with these pointless bullshit stories that go nowhere. Why the hell press Sara about book club and not clue her to the fact that she didn't actually expect her to read the book? I'm not even deleting my part about Ava giving Sara homework, because she still essentially did - and she's absolutely the sort of character who would do that - only to turn around and say she didn't mean it. Fuck you Ava, and fuck this stupid C story were did not need.
Well, at least they bothered explaining why Ray didn't try telling anyone, but still seems like a cheat.
I get being an actor is hard and you take the jobs you can get, so I can't blame Amitai Marmorstein for taking the role ("Vincent"), but I still feel kind of bad. I had to look up his name, but just the same I recognized him immediately from the miniseries "Unspeakable," about the tainted blood crisis of the 70s and 80s and he did some good work in that. Here's hoping for better work comes his way.
Okay, if someone were putting up a good chunk of money for a reclusive author to attend a convention and reveal their identity, wouldn't there be some sort of extensive vetting of that person to prove who they really are? They wouldn't have been able to just show up and say,"it's me" and collect a check, even if they did do a Q&A. I mean, Charlie probably wouldn't have been the only person trying to claim the money.
And how did Mick write all these books with his hunt and peck style of typing?
My God, why am I giving this D story so much thought?
I honestly thought Constantine was written out of the episode, otherwise why not have him appear sooner? Oh, because there wouldn't have been time for the rest of the stuff that happened in the episode? Yeah, that'd be a shame....
Did we need Nora revived just for Constantine to learn about Ray? I mean, Gary figured it out. Gary. How hard can it be? Just another plot point that was made out to be a big deal, but really just took a prolonged nap.
Jesus Christ, just how often does Ray enter a room through a plume of flames that Nate is so nonchalant about his entrance to think something unusual is going on?
So about these rules for Neron to posses Nate; what difference would it have made if Nate had been killed, either before or after the deal, versus Ray giving in? Had Nate been stabbed before Ray gave up, yes it would have been Ray's hand, but he's clearly not in control of it; so had the hand stabbed Nate and killed him, that would mean that Neron successfully manipulated the hand and overrode Ray's will, meaning Neron would have killed Nate. Never mind that Neron could also make stuff fly about the room, like summoning the knife to Ray's hand, so why not Jedi that thing straight into Nate's back? It's literally the same effect. Either way, it's not really Ray, it's Neron taking the action; it's like a bully slapping your with your own hand saying, "why are you hitting yourself?" And once Neron had Ray, why not kill Nate anyway? How are demons honor bound to keep their word? I'm pretty sure that's not eve a thing; if anything the convention would be demons and the like to double cross people they make deals with; or exploit technicalities and loopholes to screw them over and do whatever they want.
I suppose the whole thing could have been a ploy and the reality is that Neron never could have murdered anyone; or even if he did, it wouldn't have counted as Ray killing that person if he wasn't in control of the appendage doing the killing. Instead it's all designed to give Ray (or any prospective host) the impression that that someone they care about is going to die by their hand even when they're not; so consequently Ray acquiesces and gives Neron control, which was the objective all along. I'm not sure I'd give the writers enough credit for that though. And here again is another missed opportunity for could have been a psychological thriller if the writers could have made up their damn mind about the story they wanted to tell in this episode. It could have been (easily) carried entirely by Ray, but taking his possession more subtly; starting off with him losing time and mysteries happenstances occurring around him, as Neron plays head games with Ray.
Alternatively, I was also kind of hoping for a fake-out; where after a full episode of Ray being shown to be fighting his possession, as soon as the rest of the team find out what's happening and arrive on the scene, they find him attacking Gary and stop him; only to find out that in that last moment, Neron appeals to Gary's neurosis and jumps from Ray to Gary and take Gary whole. So it was actually really Ray attacking a Neron possessed Gary (or even Ray defending himself from Neron/Gary)
Oh, FFS, a magical flopping nipple? I kind of figured that's what Neron meant when he promised to make him whole, but seriously?
Okay, kind of saw Gary's turn coming. Even said last week how he was probably going to turn out to be a serial killer. Not sure about the half measure, simultaneously possessing Ray and turning Gary evil.
So just like that, Nora goes from prisoner (albeit with book club with the warden privileges) to Time Bureau Agent? Is that how all of them were recruited? Given how things went down between the Bureau and the "legends," I'm inclined to think that's how they recruit all of their agents. I'm going to guess Rip bailed Ava out of jail after she beat a man who used "their" instead of "they're" in a youtube comment.
Zari: "Where doesn't it hurt?"
I bet it doesn't hurt in his pants. Better do a thorough check.
Oh, yeah, the gold egg. I forgot about that.
Zari: "Of course." - Yeah, Zari, my sentiments exactly.