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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on May 8, 2019 21:47:53 GMT
I think this is one of the most common rebuttals to religion that I hear (especially when used in a casual way/people not wanting to get into a long debate). I hear it online, on TV, on radio, in real life, etc. And I can understand that to a "true believer" this must be at least a little exasperating, because God isn't imaginary to them, but they have absolutely no way of refuting that because there isn't any proof.
So...
How about a deal? You believe whatever you want in the privacy of your home. But don't expect anyone outside your home to make any special allowances for that. Don't expect us to give you some special dispensation because it's unholy for someone else to do X or immoral for someone else to do Y. And we'll leave you alone to believe what you want.
Deal?
As a consenting adult if you want to forgo medical treatment for yourself because it's sinful - go wild. If you want to starve/beat/deny your natural urges/whatever yourself on a regular basis - be my guest.
Are we all happy with that?
Just don't expect the rest of us to join in with your delusions. And don't force them on your children either cos that's called "Child Abuse".
(I'm surprised we didn't think of this earlier)
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Post by goz on May 8, 2019 21:51:25 GMT
You are a genius.
We could have 'whirled peas' if only people didn't expect others to believe the same as them.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on May 8, 2019 22:38:27 GMT
WHEN YOU'RE BURNING IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY...are YOU (OpiateOfTheMasses) going to tell yourself that "I'm IMAGINING ALL OF THIS! THIS IS ALL IMAGINARY!!"?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 22:42:03 GMT
Is this not being done by the majority of believers now?
Quite frankly, no one who would offer this "deal" would be worthy of making a deal with in the first place. I don;t need to strike a deal with a non-religious person since we're both going to do as we wish except they seem to care more about what I believe.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 8, 2019 22:42:26 GMT
WHEN YOU'RE BURNING IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY...are YOU (OpiateOfTheMasses ) going to tell yourself that "I'm IMAGINING ALL OF THIS! THIS IS ALL IMAGINARY!!"? One could reverse that terrible argument on to you: "Why am I burning in Hell?! Did I pick the wrong God? I knew I should have gone with Thor!"
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Post by Vegas on May 9, 2019 2:01:10 GMT
We could have 'whirled peas' if only people didn't expect others to believe the same as them. Or if people didn't live on land that other people wanted... Or any of the other various non-religious reasons that people fight...  Hell.. I'm pretty sure Christians and/or Jews would say the same thing if people just obeyed The 10 Commandments.
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Post by Vegas on May 9, 2019 2:02:19 GMT
Is this not being done by the majority of believers now? Yeah.. I was gonna make the point that this is already pretty much how it is already....
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Post by goz on May 9, 2019 2:13:55 GMT
We could have 'whirled peas' if only people didn't expect others to believe the same as them. Or if people didn't live on land that other people wanted... Or any of the other various non-religious reasons that people fight... Hell.. I'm pretty sure Christians and/or Jews would say the same thing if people just obeyed The 10 Commandments.
If you think about it, my quote still stands and is a more general comment than just religious belief.
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on May 9, 2019 5:16:55 GMT
Is this not being done by the majority of believers now? Quite frankly, no one who would offer this "deal" would be worthy of making a deal with in the first place. I don;t need to strike a deal with a non-religious person since we're both going to do as we wish except they seem to care more about what I believe. No its not. If it was why is there so much opposition to abortion and gay rights (for example)? Both of these are overwhelming led by religious groups....
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Post by mslo79 on May 9, 2019 5:35:07 GMT
But there is (or at least God's (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) existence is plausible) for those who can see... -Eucharistic Miracles (just to list some... churchpop.com/2015/06/28/5-extraordinary-eucharistic-miracles-with-pictures/ ) -Our Lady of Guadalupe (image from the year 1531) -Our Lady of Las Lajas (image on a rock from 1754) -Fatima (the miracle of the sun from 1917 etc) -St. Pio (1887-1968) but like I always say, for some it boils down to this... "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." - St. Thomas Aquinas
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Post by goz on May 9, 2019 6:06:09 GMT
But there is (or at least God's (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) existence is plausible) for those who can see... -Eucharistic Miracles (just to list some... churchpop.com/2015/06/28/5-extraordinary-eucharistic-miracles-with-pictures/ ) -Our Lady of Guadalupe (image from the year 1531) -Our Lady of Las Lajas (image on a rock from 1754) -Fatima (the miracle of the sun from 1917 etc) -St. Pio (1887-1968) but like I always say, for some it boils down to this... "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." - St. Thomas Aquinas No, there isn't any proof and that trite phrase you always quote is just the same old bollocky circular argument. It just means that really stupid people choose to believe in something imaginary, as the OP said.
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Post by mslo79 on May 9, 2019 6:15:59 GMT
gozStill, you got to admit some of what I posted is at least plausible unless you just want to ignore it like the rest of the secular world does as some of that defies nature/science etc. hence, God's existence is at least plausible. also, you must think there are a lot of 'really stupid people' then because I have heard a large portion of the planet believes in a higher power and it's pretty safe to say that kind of percentage can't be 'really stupid' as most people should be somewhere in the ball park of average intelligence which is far above 'really stupid'. hell, I might say it's 'really stupid' for the atheist types to deny God as they are rolling-the-dice with their eternal souls etc.
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Post by goz on May 9, 2019 6:26:11 GMT
goz Still, you got to admit some of what I posted is at least plausible unless you just want to ignore it like the rest of the secular world does as some of that defies nature/science etc. hence, God's existence is at least plausible. also, you must think there are a lot of 'really stupid people' then because I have heard a large portion of the planet believes in a higher power and it's pretty safe to say that kind of percentage can't be 'really stupid' as most people should be somewhere in the ball park of average intelligence which is far above 'really stupid'. hell, I might say it's 'really stupid' for the atheist types to deny God as they are rolling-the-dice with their eternal souls etc. No, it is not plausible. Everything that you posted is mythology and wishful thinking, as is the whole immortal souls nonsense. When we die, that is the end. We simple do not have a 'soul' as all our consciousness and cognition is seated in our brain which dies leaving further cognition of any type...impossible. No one denies that many if not MOST people wish this was not so, however to fool yourself and others about things that are facts, is just something that is traditional because it is difficult to accept the concept of death/end of life. Again, I will admit that it is comforting to think of joining relatives in some kind of afterlife, however, just think of the difficulties of the logistics, particularly as you won't have a body or a brain and neither will they and NOT to mention the difficulties of temporal time and relative ages etc. When you think about it honestly, the things that make life worthwhile on earth are simply not possible in an afterlife. On earth you ARE your body and your mind which s consciousness and cognition in your brain. This is not possible after death without a body and brain. Now that science understands how these things work, it leaves religion with a bit of a problem of logistics that more primitive sociieties didn't have to worry about. Hence religion is an anachronism.
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Post by Vegas on May 9, 2019 11:37:07 GMT
But there is (or at least God's (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) existence is plausible) for those who can see... -Eucharistic Miracles (just to list some... churchpop.com/2015/06/28/5-extraordinary-eucharistic-miracles-with-pictures/ ) -Our Lady of Guadalupe (image from the year 1531) -Our Lady of Las Lajas (image on a rock from 1754) -Fatima (the miracle of the sun from 1917 etc) -St. Pio (1887-1968) but like I always say, for some it boils down to this... "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." - St. Thomas Aquinas Are you seriously using Fatima as a proof of God's existence?.... Mass hysteria as 3 kids stare at the sun during a possible minor quake... Proof of God, it is not. All 3 children, over the last century has died... "Mary" told them that they would receive "secrets" would be revealed to them... the last being when the earth would end in days... Hard for that to happen when they're all dead. MIRACLE FAIL
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 9, 2019 11:53:09 GMT
Is this not being done by the majority of believers now? Quite frankly, no one who would offer this "deal" would be worthy of making a deal with in the first place. I don;t need to strike a deal with a non-religious person since we're both going to do as we wish except they seem to care more about what I believe. No its not. If it was why is there so much opposition to abortion and gay rights (for example)? Both of these are overwhelming led by religious groups.... Just so I'm clear you are saying that most people in this planet are opposed to things they are responsible for being legalized. Talk about delusions of grandeur...
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on May 9, 2019 13:54:15 GMT
No its not. If it was why is there so much opposition to abortion and gay rights (for example)? Both of these are overwhelming led by religious groups.... Just so I'm clear you are saying that most people in this planet are opposed to things they are responsible for being legalized. Talk about delusions of grandeur... Do you have a version of this post in English?
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Post by drystyx on May 9, 2019 14:53:57 GMT
Why don't you try telling God that he's imaginary. Go ahead, I dares you, I double dog dares you. Go over there and tell God he's imaginary. He's right over there. Over there! Not that way! Over there! Oh, run away, I thought so.
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Post by general313 on May 9, 2019 15:06:57 GMT
Why don't you try telling God that he's imaginary. Go ahead, I dares you, I double dog dares you. Go over there and tell God he's imaginary. He's right over there. Over there! Not that way! Over there! Oh, run away, I thought so. One of the advantages of having Alzheimer's or other neurological degenerative disease is that you can hear the same joke over and over again and laugh just as if it was the first time you ever heard it -- of course assuming that the joke is at all funny in the first place.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 9, 2019 17:13:12 GMT
Just so I'm clear you are saying that most people in this planet are opposed to things they are responsible for being legalized. Talk about delusions of grandeur... Do you have a version of this post in English? You first since you seem tonthink it’s Opposite Day. I’ll dumb it down for you Opie since i’m nice. There will NEVER be a liberty you enjoy that the religious hasn’t already signed off on and gave their permission to. Rather than pretend dealmaking, it’s probably best you say “Thank You” and be in your merry godless way. |
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on May 9, 2019 17:19:59 GMT
Do you have a version of this post in English? You first since you seem tonthink it’s Opposite Day. I’ll dumb it down for you Opie since i’m nice. There will NEVER be a liberty you enjoy that the religious hasn’t already signed off on and gave their permission to. Rather than pretend dealmaking, it’s probably best you say “Thank You” and be in your merry godless way. I guess "no - I only do gibberish" was too much to hope for. |
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