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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 9, 2019 0:36:26 GMT
I just finished season 3 and i still don`t get it, the Iris hate i see many people have. What about Iris is it that people hate?. because i really don`t get why she gets so much hate.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 8:35:54 GMT
Ahhh..Iris got a lot of hate from racists 'cause of the colour of the actresses' skin when she was first cast in the role and I remember seeing some really vile comments about her and how DC was forcing an ugly black woman in the show and when 'The Flash' movie was first announced they were saying how the version in the movie was going to be so much better than the one in the TV Show until it was announced she was being played by a woman of colour too and the racists jumped on her too. That is not to say all the hate has been by racists and I have never been a huge fan of Iris myself but the racist hate I saw for her was pathetic.
I don't hate Iris but I find her to be kinda boring sometimes and I don't feel like the writers have really good a good job of making her stand out as a character on her own and since they put her with Barry it is like they took all her storylines away and just made her another member of the team who doesn't have much of a life outside of Star Labs. I liked the Earth 2 version of Iris a lot more and felt she had more get up and go in her and spunk. I think the character would have been better if they made her more like that and she was a cop like her Father is but that is my opinion and people are free to disagree. 
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 10, 2019 9:24:23 GMT
I don't hate Iris but I find her to be kinda boring sometimes and I don't feel like the writers have really good a good job of making her stand out as a character on her own and since they put her with Barry it is like they took all her storylines away and just made her another member of the team who doesn't have much of a life outside of Star Labs. I liked the Earth 2 version of Iris a lot more and felt she had more get up and go in her and spunk. I think the character would have been better if they made her more like that and she was a cop like her Father is but that is my opinion and people are free to disagree. Well i can agree that she can be a bit boring sometimes.
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Post by dazz on May 10, 2019 11:32:39 GMT
I think the racist shit was more S1, but I thankfully didn't see much of that, what I did see I found laughably pathetic and braindead, as one might expect, also laugh at anyone calling Candice Patton ugly, that woman is stunning.
I think the thing was in S1 she was kind of annoying, she does the flip flop on why she's writing about the Flash, then she clearly knows about how Barry feels about her but does nothing to not flaunt her relationship in his face which seeing as Joe also isn't too thrilled with it at the time makes that a little meh, we also see she does have feelings for Barry, then she's made at Eddie for not liking The Flash and then is outraged that Eddie doesn't tell her everything he knows from his job which Eddie is right there are some things he knows which he shouldn't tell Iris and she's just like yeah but no I am Iris tell me.
She ireally wasn't bad in S1 tbh but there were nuggets of annoyingness people latched onto, but it's when she just suddenly became the defacto leader of the team despite no justification behind it given she has no powers, she isn't a tech whiz, she's really just monitoring stuff from the safety of the lab whilst everyone risk's their lives, made people annoyed, then they did the we are the flash thing which REALLY annoyed people because it was fucking stupid, but that's S4, S2 & 3 I think the big deal was she was kind of boring, oh and the thing in S3 where she did this season Felicity where being part of Team Flash wasn't good enough she needed to have her name be remembered for something even though she used Wally to help her do so, atleast that was held to like a single episode issue instead of a season long bullshit like with Felicity.
One thing it's just typical CW, despite it being their bread and butter a lot of their shows just cannot do relationships well, you almost always find one if not both sides of the ship becoming putrid to a large population of the fans because of how petty, whiny, needy and juvenile they are because well that's what CW does I guess.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 12, 2019 22:43:34 GMT
Personally, Iris is my favorite Goo Goo Dolls song.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 8:30:33 GMT
I think the racist shit was more S1, but I thankfully didn't see much of that, what I did see I found laughably pathetic and braindead, as one might expect, also laugh at anyone calling Candice Patton ugly, that woman is stunning. I think the thing was in S1 she was kind of annoying, she does the flip flop on why she's writing about the Flash, then she clearly knows about how Barry feels about her but does nothing to not flaunt her relationship in his face which seeing as Joe also isn't too thrilled with it at the time makes that a little meh, we also see she does have feelings for Barry, then she's made at Eddie for not liking The Flash and then is outraged that Eddie doesn't tell her everything he knows from his job which Eddie is right there are some things he knows which he shouldn't tell Iris and she's just like yeah but no I am Iris tell me. She ireally wasn't bad in S1 tbh but there were nuggets of annoyingness people latched onto, but it's when she just suddenly became the defacto leader of the team despite no justification behind it given she has no powers, she isn't a tech whiz, she's really just monitoring stuff from the safety of the lab whilst everyone risk's their lives, made people annoyed, then they did the we are the flash thing which REALLY annoyed people because it was fucking stupid, but that's S4, S2 & 3 I think the big deal was she was kind of boring, oh and the thing in S3 where she did this season Felicity where being part of Team Flash wasn't good enough she needed to have her name be remembered for something even though she used Wally to help her do so, atleast that was held to like a single episode issue instead of a season long bullshit like with Felicity. One thing it's just typical CW, despite it being their bread and butter a lot of their shows just cannot do relationships well, you almost always find one if not both sides of the ship becoming putrid to a large population of the fans because of how petty, whiny, needy and juvenile they are because well that's what CW does I guess.  but the racist hate for him was pathetic along with the claims that the show was attacking white men by having Kara in a relationship with him. I don't feel Kara and James made a good couple but the crap about it being something to encourage us to date black men and not white men couldn't have been further from the truth and interracial relationships really set some of those people over the edge and show how insecure they were. We saw the same hate with Zendaya when it was believed she was playing Mary Jane in 'Homecoming' and they were saying they were forcing an ugly black actress on them and Mary Jane was supposed to be hot.
The CW Network don't have a good track record with relationships though and 'One Tree Hill' is one of the only shows I think could be praised for some of their relationships and Nathan and Hayley were very popular together and I liked Bethany Joy Lenz in that show and she is a very underrated actress and singer and I have got all her albums.
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Post by dazz on May 15, 2019 9:41:19 GMT
I think the racist shit was more S1, but I thankfully didn't see much of that, what I did see I found laughably pathetic and braindead, as one might expect, also laugh at anyone calling Candice Patton ugly, that woman is stunning. I think the thing was in S1 she was kind of annoying, she does the flip flop on why she's writing about the Flash, then she clearly knows about how Barry feels about her but does nothing to not flaunt her relationship in his face which seeing as Joe also isn't too thrilled with it at the time makes that a little meh, we also see she does have feelings for Barry, then she's made at Eddie for not liking The Flash and then is outraged that Eddie doesn't tell her everything he knows from his job which Eddie is right there are some things he knows which he shouldn't tell Iris and she's just like yeah but no I am Iris tell me. She ireally wasn't bad in S1 tbh but there were nuggets of annoyingness people latched onto, but it's when she just suddenly became the defacto leader of the team despite no justification behind it given she has no powers, she isn't a tech whiz, she's really just monitoring stuff from the safety of the lab whilst everyone risk's their lives, made people annoyed, then they did the we are the flash thing which REALLY annoyed people because it was fucking stupid, but that's S4, S2 & 3 I think the big deal was she was kind of boring, oh and the thing in S3 where she did this season Felicity where being part of Team Flash wasn't good enough she needed to have her name be remembered for something even though she used Wally to help her do so, atleast that was held to like a single episode issue instead of a season long bullshit like with Felicity. One thing it's just typical CW, despite it being their bread and butter a lot of their shows just cannot do relationships well, you almost always find one if not both sides of the ship becoming putrid to a large population of the fans because of how petty, whiny, needy and juvenile they are because well that's what CW does I guess.
The CW Network don't have a good track record with relationships though and 'One Tree Hill' is one of the only shows I think could be praised for some of their relationships and Nathan and Hayley were very popular together and I liked Bethany Joy Lenz in that show and she is a very underrated actress and singer and I have got all her albums. Yeah I recall seeing that on the Supergirl boards on IMDB back in S1, but I will say I also saw a lot of idiots creating smoke with no fire, I think on a few occasions I got called racist because I said I do not like James, even though everytime my point was he doent feel like he's an evolution of Jimmy, which had nothing to do with his race but how the character was written or how Mechad wasn't an obvious choice to play James, I know I have said it a few times before but Jimmy/James being taller than Superman is just wrong imo, also I never felt James was the loyal best friend Jimmy is often portrayed as being from what I recall atleast.
But you had not only the idiots doing the racist shit but morons also labelling anyone who wasn't supportive of the character as racist regardless of why they weren't fans, which just devolved the talks into racist bullshit over and over, much like we got with the whole Ghostbusters thing, heaven forbid you just don't like something, no you have to be a racist, misogynistic, sexist arsehole...I cop to the arsehole part but I am not the other 3, I just thought that film sucked and so did James, and now I think James is just uninteresting.
As for MJ in Spidey, I never cared mostly because I didn't know who Zendaya was, I thought Zendaya was who was playing Liz, and I just though ok fine that MJ I don't care she is gorgeous as MJ is meant to be, then when I realised my mistake I was like ok, only issue I then had was when the same people who moaned about Kirsten Dunst not being attractive enough to play MJ because MJ is meant to be a model but were fine with Zendaya I was like huh what? not saying Zendaya isn't attractive but to me I don't see a huge difference in how hot she is compared to Dunst back in the day...going to be honest though I am biased as I had a crush on Dunst since Small Soldiers, don't you judge me!...that and just my general groan and eye roll at Marvel's Zendaya is not Mary Jane, Mary Jane is not in the movie, cut to Zendaya's last scene and her friends call her MJ...fuck you Marvel, Fuck You!...otherwise im like whatever I don't care, well except for as I have said my odd pickiness about things like MJ has red hair dammit RED HAIR!!!, similar to Jimmy being shorter than Superman, that's all I want god dammit, I don't care if they are black, white, Chinese or Andorian just give MJ red hair and make Jimmy smaller than Clark IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK!? 
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 12:09:41 GMT
Yeah. Most of it was back in the first season but I remember the movie brought a lot of it back up to the surface again and there was also a lot of racist hate for James Olsen during the first season of 'Supergirl' and I know you said you haven't been a big fan of their adaption of James 'cause he is so different in comparison to most versions of Jimmy Olsen people are familiar with and I would have liked to have seen a funnier version who was more like how Jimmy was in 'Lois and Clark' 'cause I think Justin Whalin was the best version of Jimmy Olsen and my Sister thought he was cute and had a crush on him but the racist hate for him was pathetic along with the claims that the show was attacking white men by having Kara in a relationship with him. I don't feel Kara and James made a good couple but the crap about it being something to encourage us to date black men and not white men couldn't have been further from the truth and interracial relationships really set some of those people over the edge and show how insecure they were. We saw the same hate with Zendaya when it was believed she was playing Mary Jane in 'Homecoming' and they were saying they were forcing an ugly black actress on them and Mary Jane was supposed to be hot.
The CW Network don't have a good track record with relationships though and 'One Tree Hill' is one of the only shows I think could be praised for some of their relationships and Nathan and Hayley were very popular together and I liked Bethany Joy Lenz in that show and she is a very underrated actress and singer and I have got all her albums. Yeah I recall seeing that on the Supergirl boards on IMDB back in S1, but I will say I also saw a lot of idiots creating smoke with no fire, I think on a few occasions I got called racist because I said I do not like James, even though everytime my point was he doent feel like he's an evolution of Jimmy, which had nothing to do with his race but how the character was written or how Mechad wasn't an obvious choice to play James, I know I have said it a few times before but Jimmy/James being taller than Superman is just wrong imo, also I never felt James was the loyal best friend Jimmy is often portrayed as being from what I recall atleast.
But you had not only the idiots doing the racist shit but morons also labelling anyone who wasn't supportive of the character as racist regardless of why they weren't fans, which just devolved the talks into racist bullshit over and over, much like we got with the whole Ghostbusters thing, heaven forbid you just don't like something, no you have to be a racist, misogynistic, sexist arsehole...I cop to the arsehole part but I am not the other 3, I just thought that film sucked and so did James, and now I think James is just uninteresting.
As for MJ in Spidey, I never cared mostly because I didn't know who Zendaya was, I thought Zendaya was who was playing Liz, and I just though ok fine that MJ I don't care she is gorgeous as MJ is meant to be, then when I realised my mistake I was like ok, only issue I then had was when the same people who moaned about Kirsten Dunst not being attractive enough to play MJ because MJ is meant to be a model but were fine with Zendaya I was like huh what? not saying Zendaya isn't attractive but to me I don't see a huge difference in how hot she is compared to Dunst back in the day...going to be honest though I am biased as I had a crush on Dunst since Small Soldiers, don't you judge me!...that and just my general groan and eye roll at Marvel's Zendaya is not Mary Jane, Mary Jane is not in the movie, cut to Zendaya's last scene and her friends call her MJ...fuck you Marvel, Fuck You!...otherwise im like whatever I don't care, well except for as I have said my odd pickiness about things like MJ has red hair dammit RED HAIR!!!, similar to Jimmy being shorter than Superman, that's all I want god dammit, I don't care if they are black, white, Chinese or Andorian just give MJ red hair and make Jimmy smaller than Clark IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK!?
I agree with you that some people were unfairly mislabeled racists for not liking ‘Supergirl’s’ version of Jimmy Olsen and the choice of actor they got to play him and I saw a few members say they were not racists and listed their reasons why they didn’t like him just like you have done and it fell on deaf ears but there seemed to be some really extreme fans of the actor who didn’t like anybody saying he was nothing like Jimmy Olsen and it’s possible some of them may have even worked for the TV show when they were telling members “You will like him” or “you will accept it” and I thought one person in particular was very over the top. No. It never felt like he was a proper evolution of Jimmy and the reason I wasn’t fond of him from the start was ‘cause he was so serious and lacking Jimmy’s sense of humour.
The colour of the character’s skin was never the problem and it was his personality that was off and I have said before too the showrunners could have got a smaller African American actor to play Jimmy Olsen who was more like he was in the comics and other past adaptions but for whatever reason the people in charge didn’t want that and they made James Olsen somebody entirely different and then turned around and made Winn more of a Jimmy Olsen like character. A lot of things obviously didn’t turn out the way they planned with both characters and James being Kara’s love interest was quickly dropped after the first season and now it is like that never happened and I think Winn was originally meant to become the Toyman but too many fans liked him so they decided to keep him good and he ended up leaving and going to the future with Saturn Girl and Mon-El as we know.
As for ‘Ghostbusters (2016)’ I think there were villains on both sides and I remember a lot of people were very on board with a sequel or a remake until it was announced it was going to have a female cast and then there was a major tantrum from the sexists over it and ‘Ghostbusters (2016)’ got a lot of unfair hate long before it was released from people who were determined to see it fall and even took credit for it when it wasn’t a success and the sequel was drop. The same haters tried to do it with ‘Wonder Woman’ too but they were ultimately outnumbered by fans that had been waiting for a ‘Wonder Woman’ movie like myself and gave up at the end but ‘Ghostbusters (2016)’ was not that good and I don’t think everybody that didn’t like it was a sexist. I still would have preferred the movie we were going to get with Alyssa Milano, Eliza Dushku, Anna Farris and Paul Rudd being trained by the original team and believe that would have been far more successful especially with Dan and Harold writing it.
You have a good point about Zendaya and Mary Jane with red hair but funny enough I just read Zendaya is going to have red hair in ‘Far From Home’ so they are listening to fans or Zendaya is. Here is a picture of her. 
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Post by doctorstrange on Jun 24, 2019 21:06:13 GMT
Boring, miscast, unrealistic plot direction for the character, wooden acting, nothing inspiring. Danielle Panabaker is the perfect Iris West. But they went for diversity.
Iris West is awful.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jun 24, 2019 22:36:14 GMT
Boring, miscast, unrealistic plot direction for the character, wooden acting, nothing inspiring. Danielle Panabaker is the perfect Iris West. But they went for diversity. Iris West is awful. She is not playing Iris West
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Post by doctorstrange on Jun 25, 2019 14:51:50 GMT
Danielle Panabaker would be the perfect Iris West.
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Post by BexxyJ on Jun 29, 2019 7:24:12 GMT
Danielle Panabaker would be the perfect Iris West.
But did Danielle have the right chemistry with Grant to play the role? Just remember what happened with Oliver and Laurel in Arrow. We could have got a second Felicity on The Flash. 
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 9:41:14 GMT
Yeah I recall seeing that on the Supergirl boards on IMDB back in S1, but I will say I also saw a lot of idiots creating smoke with no fire, I think on a few occasions I got called racist because I said I do not like James, even though everytime my point was he doent feel like he's an evolution of Jimmy, which had nothing to do with his race but how the character was written or how Mechad wasn't an obvious choice to play James, I know I have said it a few times before but Jimmy/James being taller than Superman is just wrong imo, also I never felt James was the loyal best friend Jimmy is often portrayed as being from what I recall atleast.
But you had not only the idiots doing the racist shit but morons also labelling anyone who wasn't supportive of the character as racist regardless of why they weren't fans, which just devolved the talks into racist bullshit over and over, much like we got with the whole Ghostbusters thing, heaven forbid you just don't like something, no you have to be a racist, misogynistic, sexist arsehole...I cop to the arsehole part but I am not the other 3, I just thought that film sucked and so did James, and now I think James is just uninteresting.
As for MJ in Spidey, I never cared mostly because I didn't know who Zendaya was, I thought Zendaya was who was playing Liz, and I just though ok fine that MJ I don't care she is gorgeous as MJ is meant to be, then when I realised my mistake I was like ok, only issue I then had was when the same people who moaned about Kirsten Dunst not being attractive enough to play MJ because MJ is meant to be a model but were fine with Zendaya I was like huh what? not saying Zendaya isn't attractive but to me I don't see a huge difference in how hot she is compared to Dunst back in the day...going to be honest though I am biased as I had a crush on Dunst since Small Soldiers, don't you judge me!...that and just my general groan and eye roll at Marvel's Zendaya is not Mary Jane, Mary Jane is not in the movie, cut to Zendaya's last scene and her friends call her MJ...fuck you Marvel, Fuck You!...otherwise im like whatever I don't care, well except for as I have said my odd pickiness about things like MJ has red hair dammit RED HAIR!!!, similar to Jimmy being shorter than Superman, that's all I want god dammit, I don't care if they are black, white, Chinese or Andorian just give MJ red hair and make Jimmy smaller than Clark IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK!?
I agree with you that some people were unfairly mislabeled racists for not liking ‘Supergirl’s’ version of Jimmy Olsen and the choice of actor they got to play him and I saw a few members say they were not racists and listed their reasons why they didn’t like him just like you have done and it fell on deaf ears but there seemed to be some really extreme fans of the actor who didn’t like anybody saying he was nothing like Jimmy Olsen and it’s possible some of them may have even worked for the TV show when they were telling members “You will like him” or “you will accept it” and I thought one person in particular was very over the top. No. It never felt like he was a proper evolution of Jimmy and the reason I wasn’t fond of him from the start was ‘cause he was so serious and lacking Jimmy’s sense of humour.
The colour of the character’s skin was never the problem and it was his personality that was off and I have said before too the showrunners could have got a smaller African American actor to play Jimmy Olsen who was more like he was in the comics and other past adaptions but for whatever reason the people in charge didn’t want that and they made James Olsen somebody entirely different and then turned around and made Winn more of a Jimmy Olsen like character. A lot of things obviously didn’t turn out the way they planned with both characters and James being Kara’s love interest was quickly dropped after the first season and now it is like that never happened and I think Winn was originally meant to become the Toyman but too many fans liked him so they decided to keep him good and he ended up leaving and going to the future with Saturn Girl and Mon-El as we know.
As for ‘Ghostbusters (2016)’ I think there were villains on both sides and I remember a lot of people were very on board with a sequel or a remake until it was announced it was going to have a female cast and then there was a major tantrum from the sexists over it and ‘Ghostbusters (2016)’ got a lot of unfair hate long before it was released from people who were determined to see it fall and even took credit for it when it wasn’t a success and the sequel was drop. The same haters tried to do it with ‘Wonder Woman’ too but they were ultimately outnumbered by fans that had been waiting for a ‘Wonder Woman’ movie like myself and gave up at the end but ‘Ghostbusters (2016)’ was not that good and I don’t think everybody that didn’t like it was a sexist. I still would have preferred the movie we were going to get with Alyssa Milano, Eliza Dushku, Anna Farris and Paul Rudd being trained by the original team and believe that would have been far more successful especially with Dan and Harold writing it.
You have a good point about Zendaya and Mary Jane with red hair but funny enough I just read Zendaya is going to have red hair in ‘Far From Home’ so they are listening to fans or Zendaya is. Here is a picture of her.
Vavavavoom she looks foxy!
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